It's great that St. Louis is acting like a bigger city than one that would fall for nonsensical but typical claims like a building not even listed for sale is not attracting developers. A lot of people including some on this board have pushed St. Louis to this higher civic self-esteem. I'm glad that the Preservation Board denial will hopefully chase off Wash U and its landbanking and deny a profit to one of America's most despicable nursing home investment companies. I'm sorry to see the alderman for this ward assent to a lame, anti-urban transaction that would degrade the Central West End.Tim wrote: ↑Nov 14, 2024The property isn't even listed for sale. How can one argue that developers aren't interested when it's not even on the market?
I haven't had a lot of buyers interested in purchasing my house....could be the fact that I don't have it listed for sale? Probably worth tearing down I guess.I
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***** completely outta here. All you self-righteous preservationists do is obstruct economic growth in a region that is starving for it. You think you’re the gatekeepers to upholding all that is dear and sacred to this city but fail to see the bigger picture. You wanna treat every little building like it was designed by Frank Lloyd Wright, but the reality is it’s a dump that constrains the neighborhood from growing. Glad I’m moving out of St. Louis because after seeing for five years all the real estate proposals get denied by your board of ass sniffing buffoons, because of the most petty and absurd rational, it’s clear St. Louis will always be stuck in the past. Cities like Austin, Charlotte, KC, Orlando, Indy and many others will or already are surpassing it.preservation.research.office wrote: ↑Nov 20, 2024It's great that St. Louis is acting like a bigger city than one that would fall for nonsensical but typical claims like a building not even listed for sale is not attracting developers. A lot of people including some on this board have pushed St. Louis to this higher civic self-esteem. I'm glad that the Preservation Board denial will hopefully chase off Wash U and its landbanking and deny a profit to one of America's most despicable nursing home investment companies. I'm sorry to see the alderman for this ward assent to a lame, anti-urban transaction that would degrade the Central West End.Tim wrote: ↑Nov 14, 2024The property isn't even listed for sale. How can one argue that developers aren't interested when it's not even on the market?
I haven't had a lot of buyers interested in purchasing my house....could be the fact that I don't have it listed for sale? Probably worth tearing down I guess.I
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Dude... there isn't even a proposal. They literally want to knock this building down for green space and nebulous future development (IE probably 30 years of surface parking)
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bye. hope you eventually learn how to read, wherever you end up.stl skyline dreamer wrote:***** completely outta here. All you self-righteous preservationists do is obstruct economic growth in a region that is starving for it. You think you’re the gatekeepers to upholding all that is dear and sacred to this city but fail to see the bigger picture. You wanna treat every little building like it was designed by Frank Lloyd Wright, but the reality is it’s a dump that constrains the neighborhood from growing. Glad I’m moving out of St. Louis because after seeing for five years all the real estate proposals get denied by your board of ass sniffing buffoons, because of the most petty and absurd rational, it’s clear St. Louis will always be stuck in the past. Cities like Austin, Charlotte, KC, Orlando, Indy and many others will or already are surpassing it.
Have you ever been to Austin, Charlotte, KC, Orlando, or Indianapolis? All those cities are growing due to suburbanization and are generally horrific to live in unless you're wealthy and can afford one of the actually desirable areas that look a lot like the CWE, South City, Midtown, etc. The day STL looks like any of those cities will be the day I leave.stl skyline dreamer wrote: ↑Nov 20, 2024***** completely outta here. All you self-righteous preservationists do is obstruct economic growth in a region that is starving for it. You think you’re the gatekeepers to upholding all that is dear and sacred to this city but fail to see the bigger picture. You wanna treat every little building like it was designed by Frank Lloyd Wright, but the reality is it’s a dump that constrains the neighborhood from growing. Glad I’m moving out of St. Louis because after seeing for five years all the real estate proposals get denied by your board of ass sniffing buffoons, because of the most petty and absurd rational, it’s clear St. Louis will always be stuck in the past. Cities like Austin, Charlotte, KC, Orlando, Indy and many others will or already are surpassing it.preservation.research.office wrote: ↑Nov 20, 2024It's great that St. Louis is acting like a bigger city than one that would fall for nonsensical but typical claims like a building not even listed for sale is not attracting developers. A lot of people including some on this board have pushed St. Louis to this higher civic self-esteem. I'm glad that the Preservation Board denial will hopefully chase off Wash U and its landbanking and deny a profit to one of America's most despicable nursing home investment companies. I'm sorry to see the alderman for this ward assent to a lame, anti-urban transaction that would degrade the Central West End.Tim wrote: ↑Nov 14, 2024The property isn't even listed for sale. How can one argue that developers aren't interested when it's not even on the market?
I haven't had a lot of buyers interested in purchasing my house....could be the fact that I don't have it listed for sale? Probably worth tearing down I guess.I
I strongly dislike the Preservation Board and think they make plenty of terrible decisions and I am on the record criticizing them, but this building actually is architecturally significant and with no plan to replace it, there's no good reason to demolish it.
You are a clown and will not be missed. We are happy you're leaving.
It's interesting how a certain form of YIMBYism seems to have just become pro-property owners doing whatever they want. Even when there's nothing being built to say yes to, just demolition.
Considering they listed some disgusting cities as "passing St. Louis", I don't think they're YIMBY at all.
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Our architecture is one of our real selling points. I want to see Wash U. succeed, but I think the Pres. Board got this one right. If Wash U. comes back with a real proposal, they'll reconsider it I'm sure, but until then, thank you Pres. Board. It's a tough, and sometimes thankless job, and I don't always agree, but I respect the work they do and the effort they put in.
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I'm pretty YIMBY. The point of YIMBY is to say yes to developments and reduce rules because while rules may seem well intentioned, they create costs & barrier to building homes. That eventually leads to very costly real estate increasing homelessnes, driving down affordability, etc.PeterXCV wrote: ↑Nov 21, 2024It's interesting how a certain form of YIMBYism seems to have just become pro-property owners doing whatever they want. Even when there's nothing being built to say yes to, just demolition.
All of this is to say YIMBYs are generally pro development. This isnt really development, so I dont care that this demolition was denied. If this demolition was denied and Wash U had a plan with committed capital to build a new apartment building or hotel or office structure Id be pretty frustrated.
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this doesn't directly concern the Frisco Hospital, but based on below (in regard to Wash U's renovation of/addition to the Goodwill Bldg) and his push to demo the Frisco, it sure seems like alderman Browning is in Wash U's pocket.
https://bsky.app/profile/stlrainbow.bsky.social
https://bsky.app/profile/stlrainbow.bsky.social
Not sure if he's in WashU's pocket, or if it's just that he is very pro-development and WashU happens to own a large number of properties and is the biggest developer in his ward. But I agree that the Frisco proposal and Goodwill proposal have made it seem like he's willing to give WashU/its affiliates whatever they ask for, at least recently.
Either way, things were a little unclear regarding the tax breaks at the BoA meeting today. Though I think it's more that they're looking for a personal property tax break (as well as a sales tax break) on project equipment.
I do also find it odd that the developer is supposedly willing to fully walk away from this project, which is already well underway, if they don't get this discount on the rest of their construction. Does this ever happen? Maybe a better discussion for the Cortex thread.
Either way, things were a little unclear regarding the tax breaks at the BoA meeting today. Though I think it's more that they're looking for a personal property tax break (as well as a sales tax break) on project equipment.
I do also find it odd that the developer is supposedly willing to fully walk away from this project, which is already well underway, if they don't get this discount on the rest of their construction. Does this ever happen? Maybe a better discussion for the Cortex thread.
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Wash U. isn't walking away from something rising. Though the evil me would sometimes like to see them throw that tantrum, get into the news cycle, and have some investigative journalist talk about the size of the medical college endowment and the amount of money BJC makes as a non taxable entity, calling all the tax breaks they get now and in the future into question.
The CWE resident in me simply wants good governance from my alder and an institutional neighbor that does right for the area.
The CWE resident in me simply wants good governance from my alder and an institutional neighbor that does right for the area.
Remember when he called me conspiratorial for asking if he had a conflict of interest? That was HILARIOUS.urban_dilettante wrote: ↑Dec 13, 2024this doesn't directly concern the Frisco Hospital, but based on below (in regard to Wash U's renovation of/addition to the Goodwill Bldg) and his push to demo the Frisco, it sure seems like alderman Browning is in Wash U's pocket.
https://bsky.app/profile/stlrainbow.bsky.social
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Though I don't see how pushing demo of the Frisco for green space, with no plan for development, would be interpreted as pro-development. It just came across as a favor to Wash U.J S wrote:Not sure if he's in WashU's pocket, or if it's just that he is very pro-development and WashU happens to own a large number of properties and is the biggest developer in his ward.