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JaneJacobsGhost wrote:Elitist? Dude, almost 50% of working age adults in this country have a college degree. Stop it.

Again, the only governor in the country without any type of college degree.

Ok. What about the other 50%?

Again, the only governor in the country without any type of college degree.
officeholders without a higher education degree in their official biography are Gov. Mike Parson (R-Mo.), Gov. Greg Gianforte (R-Mt.),
basic internet search pulled up the facts
your welcome
https://ballotpedia.org/Governors_and_state_executives_by_higher_education_background

Missouri politicians are monsters, if they're too uneducated to do their jobs that's probably an improvement over the alternative.

hebeters wrote: ↑

Jul 05, 2024

Again, the only governor in the country without any type of college degree.
officeholders without a higher education degree in their official biography are Gov. Mike Parson (R-Mo.), Gov. Greg Gianforte (R-Mt.),
basic internet search pulled up the facts
your welcome
https://ballotpedia.org/Governors_and_state_executives_by_higher_education_background

Clearly you’re incapable of actually reading an internet search. Or even asking your phone to run a search for you.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Gianforte

Gianforte has a bachelors in Electrical Engineering and a Master’s in computer science.

Again, our bucktoothed redneck gas station operating ignoramous is the only governor in the nation without an advanced degree. It’s an embarrassing disgrace.

It seems like a weird thing to be embarrassed by. If his policies are bad, be embarrassed by that. If they're good then why be embarrassed at all? Either way, credentialism is pointless.

The right to obtain an abortion will appear on the ballot in November. SCOTSOM overruled Rush Limbaugh’s cousin at the Cole County circuit court.

Not only was this decision critical from a human rights perspective, but as we try to convince the world our state is not some hillbilly backwater, pointing to constitutionally enshrined rights to reproductive freedom will go a long way.

Good to see that the SCOTSOM is not comprised of hacky political actors masquerading as lawyers and jurists as Chris Limbaugh, Jay Ashcroft and Andrew Bailey do.

JaneJacobsGhost wrote: ↑

Sep 10, 2024

The right to obtain an abortion will appear on the ballot in November. SCOTSOM overruled Rush Limbaugh’s cousin at the Cole County circuit court.

Not only was this decision critical from a human rights perspective, but as we try to convince the world our state is not some hillbilly backwater, pointing to constitutionally enshrined rights to reproductive freedom will go a long way.

Good to see that the SCOTSOM is not comprised of hacky political actors masquerading as lawyers and jurists as Chris Limbaugh, Jay Ashcroft and Andrew Bailey do.

In addition approving the ammendment in November will help our medical schools and industry. Medical schools are already seeing prospective students and staff opting for less restrictive states, approving ammendment 3 would keep us competitive.

Excellent point. And it likely applies to all industries.

Such a huge win for the state of Missouri.

Now we just need to win in November. 

StlToday - Mike Kehoe says he’ll end Missouri’s income tax. But he won’t say how until he’s elected.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... 60c1a.html

Moving this over to this thread after seeing the above post:

Mike Kehoe brings up eliminating income tax again. Does not give alternatives but it seems this will be on the table.

I am generally against eliminating income tax, especially in the current state of affairs.

On the other hand, the “no income tax savings” sell hard, even if it is actually spent in other expenses (see Texas, Tennessee). There is no denying thought that no state income tax and population boom has gone hand in hand.

StL needs population growth and there’s reason to think we could see instant significant influx of residents. The vibrancy of the city could catch fire with several thousand new young people. So it makes me torn bc StL could benefit, at least in the short term

Any net benefits of eliminating the state income tax, including on population growth, are highly speculative.  Take Ohio, which has a state income tax, and Tennessee, which does not. Columbus, OH is growing just as much as Nashville while CIncinnati is growing and Memphis is declining.  But Memphis is declining less than core Rust Belt Cleveland.  And then of course you have boom towns like Atlanta and Phoenix, which have a state income tax.  Other factors shape population changes in cities far more than state income tax policy.

Lucas Kunce had a rough campaign event yesterday. 

A fragment of a bullet from a gun he fired hit a reporter.

STLrainbow wrote: ↑

Oct 23, 2024

Any net benefits of eliminating the state income tax, including on population growth, are highly speculative.  Take Ohio, which has a state income tax, and Tennessee, which does not. Columbus, OH is growing just as much as Nashville while CIncinnati is growing and Memphis is declining.  But Memphis is declining less than core Rust Belt Cleveland.  And then of course you have boom towns like Atlanta and Phoenix, which have a state income tax.  Other factors shape population changes in cities far more than state income tax policy.

Nashville grew by 14.7% 2010-2020 while Cincinnati grew by 4.2%. Not sure in what world that's "just as much".

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STLrainbow wrote: ↑

Oct 23, 2024

Any net benefits of eliminating the state income tax, including on population growth, are highly speculative.  Take Ohio, which has a state income tax, and Tennessee, which does not. Columbus, OH is growing just as much as Nashville while CIncinnati is growing and Memphis is declining.  But Memphis is declining less than core Rust Belt Cleveland.  And then of course you have boom towns like Atlanta and Phoenix, which have a state income tax.  Other factors shape population changes in cities far more than state income tax policy.

Nashville grew by 14.7% 2010-2020 while Cincinnati grew by 4.2%. Not sure in what world that's "just as much".

Rainbow was comparing Columbus, OH to Nashville, which grew 15% from 2010-2020. I tend to agree that the impacts from income tax policy are pretty speculative.

I also am fairly confident that Missouri isn’t actually going to eliminate its income tax. It’s another empty promise, I’m guessing. I don’t think it’s the first time a Republican has promised this.


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^ Edit: oops... didn't see you had replied before I posted.

Here was my reply to the comment:  
In a world of make-believe. Re-read, please. The comparisons are Nashville to Columbus and Cincinnati to Memphis.  Also fwiw both Columbus and Cincinnati have increased population since 2020 while Nashville and Memphis have both declined. I also double-checked to make sure annexation was not really a factor for Columbus growth 2010-2020... it only grew by 3 sq. mi.  Interestingly, Memphis had a bit of de-annexation... dropped from 316 sq. mi. to 297. 

My wife and I tried to early vote yesterday and today but the lines were too long here in South / West County. Volunteers showed us we can check the line lengths at this link. https://stlouiscovotes.maps.arcgis.com/ ... 77f225cf78

Couldn’t help noticing all the South and West and Far North County places had lines of 75 to 125. Whereas Near North County had lines of 0 to 20.


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delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑

Oct 23, 2024

There is no denying thought that no state income tax and population boom has gone hand in hand.

Yes there is.  Supposed "better" weather is main the driving factor in population growth at this point (and perceived cost of living)

You'd think with inflation a big issue it would prompt calls to lower sales taxes.

Bart Harley Jarvis wrote: ↑

Oct 23, 2024

delmar2debaliviere2downtown wrote: ↑

Oct 23, 2024

There is no denying thought that no state income tax and population boom has gone hand in hand.

Yes there is.  Supposed "better" weather is main the driving factor in population growth at this point (and perceived cost of living)

The perceived cost for living is exactly it - people fail to look set the whole picture often and go with the first thing they think they are saving money in.

And there is at least a correlation between income tax and growth - Nevada, Texas, Wyoming, Tennessee, Florida have definitely boomed.

Not saying I’m for it but I think it’s worth mentioning that StL could see an instant influx, especially from Chicagoland. We have the job growth, the cost of living, the urban amenities but can’t seem to draw enough people. So just an observation

All states with no income tax - numbers below are growth rate from '10-'20 per the 2020 Census & possible motives to move there:
 
USA  +7.4%

Alaska +3.3% - Scenery & Independence
Florida +14.6% (#7) - "Good" weather
Nevada +15.0% (#5) - "Good" weather
New Hampshire +4.6% - ???
South Dakota +8.9% - ???
Tennessee +8.9% - "Good" weather
Texas  +15.9% (#3) - "Good" weather
Washington +14.6% (#8) - Outdoorsy, temperate climate
Wyoming +2.4% - Scenery

3 states below the US average, 4 well above and 2 in the neighborhood - doesn't really seem to be the deciding factor.

Utah (1) Idaho (2) & Colorado (6) all share similar qualities of natural beauty & mostly moderate climates, offering year-round outdoor activities.  

Missouri needs to find ways to drive population growth which has an enormous economic snowball effect. This is a good way to do it. There will be some short term pain for long term gain.