If it's a part of our normalized acceptance of car violence, yes. There's a bike/ped path in NYC that several times a driver got on it an killed/injured people, oopsies! When someone did it intertidally as terrorism, them the bothered to put up bollards/etc to prevent drivers from getting on it in record time.urban_dilettante wrote: ↑May 30, 2024yep it sucks everywhere. terrorism is totes cool now apparently. a lot of humans are just garbage.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/29/us/s ... llcat.html
The muscle car issues can be put to bed. Impound the cars when violators are caught. Take the vehicles away and it will stop the uncivilized madness. Lack of repercussions are why the issues persist.
If only we had the technology to prevent cars from being driven in an unsafe manner. But we prefer the idea of enforcement over regulation.
100%STLinCHI wrote: ↑May 30, 2024The muscle car issues can be put to bed. Impound the cars when violators are caught. Take the vehicles away and it will stop the uncivilized madness. Lack of repercussions are why the issues persist.
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Just spent 2 days in downtown Nashville. Folks, we’ve got a loooong way to go. They’re in the majors, we’re playing Double A. I believe in Jason Hall, but I wouldn’t want his job. I know he’s studied Nashville’s meteoric rise so that’s a positive. But I have no idea how we do it.
Amazing how many people I met who are from our area living there. And they ask, “what’s up with STL?”
I shrug.
Amazing how many people I met who are from our area living there. And they ask, “what’s up with STL?”
I shrug.
Nashville is proof of what having a strong downtown and unified government structure can do for a region. Having a good downtown is seriously underrated and it's sad that it only took until 2024 before St. Louis finally realized that downtown kinda matters. I mean once you get outside of downtown Nashville, St. Louis pulls away from Nashville very quickly but Nashville's positive image has basically been anchored in it having a strong downtown. Broadway is basically what Washington should be daily, but frankly Wash Ave does fall short. It's also frustrating that despite St. Louis having great TOD potential, we are getting outclassed in urban development by the likes of Nashville, Austin, Tampa, etc. and cities with non-existent urban infrastructure.whitherSTL wrote: ↑May 30, 2024Just spent 2 days in downtown Nashville. Folks, we’ve got a loooong way to go. They’re in the majors, we’re playing Double A. I believe in Jason Hall, but I wouldn’t want his job. I know he’s studied Nashville’s meteoric rise so that’s a positive. But I have no idea how we do it.
Amazing how many people I met who are from our area living there. And they ask, “what’s up with STL?”
I shrug.
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I agree with you but we stayed in the Gulch area and now it’s connected to Vanderbilt and Belmont. So impressive.
Yes, I'm familiar with that area. It's just astonishing to me how it seems every midsized city in the country can break ground on comprehensive urban developments (even St. Charles and Chesterfield have gotten in on the action). Yet, St. Louis City (which has the access to transit to create a true TOD) can't build that kind of development south of downtown or Laclede's Landing? Either I development community really doesn't get it or the market is just not there (which I doubt).whitherSTL wrote: ↑May 31, 2024I agree with you but we stayed in the Gulch area and now it’s connected to Vanderbilt and Belmont. So impressive.
Well a significant portion of the neighborhoods surrounding downtown are housing projects.
I know board rules say I'm not allowed to post this so I may face a suspension*: but I'm going to post it anyway. It helps a ton when your biggest city is also the state capital and the rest of the start isn't hellbent on bringing it down.goat314 wrote: ↑May 30, 2024Nashville is proof of what having a strong downtown and unified government structure can do for a region. Having a good downtown is seriously underrated and it's sad that it only took until 2024 before St. Louis finally realized that downtown kinda matters. I mean once you get outside of downtown Nashville, St. Louis pulls away from Nashville very quickly but Nashville's positive image has basically been anchored in it having a strong downtown. Broadway is basically what Washington should be daily, but frankly Wash Ave does fall short. It's also frustrating that despite St. Louis having great TOD potential, we are getting outclassed in urban development by the likes of Nashville, Austin, Tampa, etc. and cities with non-existent urban infrastructure.whitherSTL wrote: ↑May 30, 2024Just spent 2 days in downtown Nashville. Folks, we’ve got a loooong way to go. They’re in the majors, we’re playing Double A. I believe in Jason Hall, but I wouldn’t want his job. I know he’s studied Nashville’s meteoric rise so that’s a positive. But I have no idea how we do it.
Amazing how many people I met who are from our area living there. And they ask, “what’s up with STL?”
I shrug.
I'm not excusing the poor situation St. Louis is in and am jealous of the boom Nashville is having.
But in many ways I don't know if I'd want to replicate what Nashville has become. Yes their boom has help filled in that gap that used to exist. But once you get beyond that, I struggle to find much else of interest in Nashville.
Thank you for the daily reminder that St. Louis sucks and everywhere else is better.goat314 wrote: ↑May 31, 2024Yes, I'm familiar with that area. It's just astonishing to me how it seems every midsized city in the country can break ground on comprehensive urban developments (even St. Charles and Chesterfield have gotten in on the action). Yet, St. Louis City (which has the access to transit to create a true TOD) can't build that kind of development south of downtown or Laclede's Landing? Either I development community really doesn't get it or the market is just not there (which I doubt).whitherSTL wrote: ↑May 31, 2024I agree with you but we stayed in the Gulch area and now it’s connected to Vanderbilt and Belmont. So impressive.
St. Louis absolutely does not suck, but years of bad public policy has given us a rather interesting and disjointed urban environment. I do think the current administration is moving in the righ direction with pursuing N-S Metrolink and the new comprehensive land use plan. Hopefully, we take full advantage and actually enforce and incentivize better urbanism.dweebe wrote: ↑May 31, 2024Thank you for the daily reminder that St. Louis sucks and everywhere else is better.goat314 wrote: ↑May 31, 2024Yes, I'm familiar with that area. It's just astonishing to me how it seems every midsized city in the country can break ground on comprehensive urban developments (even St. Charles and Chesterfield have gotten in on the action). Yet, St. Louis City (which has the access to transit to create a true TOD) can't build that kind of development south of downtown or Laclede's Landing? Either I development community really doesn't get it or the market is just not there (which I doubt).whitherSTL wrote: ↑May 31, 2024I agree with you but we stayed in the Gulch area and now it’s connected to Vanderbilt and Belmont. So impressive.
You're wrong. We're all stupid for living here.goat314 wrote: ↑May 31, 2024St. Louis absolutely does not suck, but years of bad public policy has given us a rather interesting and disjointed urban environment. I do think the current administration is moving in the righ direction with pursuing N-S Metrolink and the new comprehensive land use plan. Hopefully, we take full advantage and actually enforce and incentivize better urbanism.dweebe wrote: ↑May 31, 2024Thank you for the daily reminder that St. Louis sucks and everywhere else is better.goat314 wrote: ↑May 31, 2024Yes, I'm familiar with that area. It's just astonishing to me how it seems every midsized city in the country can break ground on comprehensive urban developments (even St. Charles and Chesterfield have gotten in on the action). Yet, St. Louis City (which has the access to transit to create a true TOD) can't build that kind of development south of downtown or Laclede's Landing? Either I development community really doesn't get it or the market is just not there (which I doubt).
Look at what Nashville is doing and what we're not. We can talk a big game, dream etc but they and other cities actually deliver.
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We can keep on blaming our downtown all day long.
I am pointing my fingers to those employers who have moved out of the downtown claiming crime uptick and those employers who have been lenient in enforcing hybrid work schedule. Bigger factor impacting our progress.
How many of you are unhappy working from home?
I am pointing my fingers to those employers who have moved out of the downtown claiming crime uptick and those employers who have been lenient in enforcing hybrid work schedule. Bigger factor impacting our progress.
How many of you are unhappy working from home?
I have one friend who is sick of WFH and is looking to find a new job.
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WFH has really damaged my life in several ways actually. But there is no going back. It would be a gargantuan task to return.stlurbanist wrote: ↑May 31, 2024We can keep on blaming our downtown all day long.
I am pointing my fingers to those employers who have moved out of the downtown claiming crime uptick and those employers who have been lenient in enforcing hybrid work schedule. Bigger factor impacting our progress.
How many of you are unhappy working from home?
THERE SHOULD HAVE BE NO LOCKDOWNS OF ANY KIND AT ALL.
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Comparing downtowns of STL City & Nashville is kind of silly I think. Of course the lack of regional growth is a huge factor for STL City's, but another big problem is that our urban redevelopment footprint is so much larger than Nashville's. It's not surprising at all to me that a hot, formerly sleepy city with a small urban footprint like Nashville is seeing downtown boom while ours is seeing more incremental redevelopment,
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with all due respect I don’t think you’ve been to Nashville lately.That's a good point. We need damn near sunbelt growth rates to fill out our urban core properly.STLrainbow wrote: ↑May 31, 2024Comparing downtowns of STL City & Nashville is kind of silly I think. Of course the lack of regional growth is a huge factor for STL City's, but another big problem is that our urban redevelopment footprint is so much larger than Nashville's. It's not surprising at all to me that a hot, formerly sleepy city with a small urban footprint like Nashville is seeing downtown boom while ours is seeing more incremental redevelopment,
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^ Take for example the redevelopment of the Butler Brothers Building and Foundry sites. Those are around 1.2 and 3 miles from the riverfront, respectively. Butler Brothers would be in the equivalent of Nashville's Midtown neighborhood. and The Foundry basically at I-440.
Or envision an alternative St. Louis where Union Station was around Tucker Avenue and Wash U's Danforth Campus began before Jefferson Ave. That's Nashville!
Or envision an alternative St. Louis where Union Station was around Tucker Avenue and Wash U's Danforth Campus began before Jefferson Ave. That's Nashville!
Unseen STL History Talks: Downtown Demolitions
https://unseenstlouis.substack.com/p/unseen-stl-history-talks-downtown-demolitions
https://unseenstlouis.substack.com/p/unseen-stl-history-talks-downtown-demolitions
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This has really confused me because while I am not a fan of these cities you mention, they are somehow enforcing the type of development in and around their downtowns that make sense when you have transit. I lived in Austin for a summer and grew up near Nashville. They have no rail and almost nonexistent buses. Yet, their new development builds up, not out, and street faces, instead of parking lots. Though, I will say they fill up stories with their parking garages.goat314 wrote: ↑May 30, 2024Nashville is proof of what having a strong downtown and unified government structure can do for a region. Having a good downtown is seriously underrated and it's sad that it only took until 2024 before St. Louis finally realized that downtown kinda matters. I mean once you get outside of downtown Nashville, St. Louis pulls away from Nashville very quickly but Nashville's positive image has basically been anchored in it having a strong downtown. Broadway is basically what Washington should be daily, but frankly Wash Ave does fall short. It's also frustrating that despite St. Louis having great TOD potential, we are getting outclassed in urban development by the likes of Nashville, Austin, Tampa, etc. and cities with non-existent urban infrastructure.whitherSTL wrote: ↑May 30, 2024Just spent 2 days in downtown Nashville. Folks, we’ve got a loooong way to go. They’re in the majors, we’re playing Double A. I believe in Jason Hall, but I wouldn’t want his job. I know he’s studied Nashville’s meteoric rise so that’s a positive. But I have no idea how we do it.
Amazing how many people I met who are from our area living there. And they ask, “what’s up with STL?”
I shrug.
But they continue to up zone and everything and are going after density despite not having the transit or grid to support it. It’s just frustrating we have LRA not allowing development on lots under 4,000 sq ft and parking minimums (Austin eliminated these and they literally have almost nonexistent transit).
Our inner ring suburbs and south city neighborhoods kind of knock other cities near neighborhoods and suburbs out of the park when it comes to urbanism and density. But the central corridor can still densify so much. We need serious upzoning and TOD along metrolink. There should not be parking lots or blank spaces along Debaliviere, the Delmar Loop station, Cortex, Union Station, Civic Center, Forsyth (along with almost all the county stations) . Civic center and union station just have too many large swath parking lots that are underutilized every day. These are the stations where we should be zoning TOD today. Get rid of the parking minimums. The Delmar Loop station is surrounded by nothing. I just don’t get it
Obviously downtown and the city to be its healthiest would need Illinois to pick it up big time (I like Pritzker but they are still ignoring metro east) and North City needs a whole swath of investment.
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^ A small step in the right direction I think is a bill sponsored by Cohn that would relax some of the zoning requirements for projects 1/2 mile from planned Green Line (N/S line) stations. It's more of incremental change (it doesn't touch Single-Family A zoning. e.g.,) so it could go a lot further and should also include the existing stations on the Blue and Red lines, but at least it's a start and can get the discussion going. (It's also sometimes confusing to me on how process works here in this town but it may be one of those things like ADUs and Short-Term Rentals where the Planning Commission needs to act first before Board of Aldermen.)
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/c ... BBId=16475
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/c ... BBId=16475
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Yeah it’s his schtick on this board. Wish he’d just wash his hands of St. Louis and move ondweebe wrote: ↑May 31, 2024You're wrong. We're all stupid for living here.goat314 wrote: ↑May 31, 2024St. Louis absolutely does not suck, but years of bad public policy has given us a rather interesting and disjointed urban environment. I do think the current administration is moving in the righ direction with pursuing N-S Metrolink and the new comprehensive land use plan. Hopefully, we take full advantage and actually enforce and incentivize better urbanism.dweebe wrote: ↑May 31, 2024Thank you for the daily reminder that St. Louis sucks and everywhere else is better.
Look at what Nashville is doing and what we're not. We can talk a big game, dream etc but they and other cities actually deliver.