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Ray Hartmann Running for Congress

Ray Hartmann Running for Congress

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PostMar 15, 2024#1

Ray Hartmann has announced that he's running for Congress in the Second District. He hopes to ultimately defeat 6-term incumbent Ann Wagner. 

https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... 2024-03-14

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PostMar 15, 2024#2

but why

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PostMar 15, 2024#3

Speaking of Ann Wagner and politics, she's sporting the best coif since Governor Tracy:

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PostMar 15, 2024#4

Ray doesn’t like Greater STL, specifically their private equity focus on the urban core. Still, probably better than Ann Wagner

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PostMar 15, 2024#5

And he's moving to St. Charles.

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PostMar 15, 2024#6

I think he'll have a tough time even though i think he'd def be better than Wagner.  I guess they'll have to find some new blood for Donnybrook.

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PostMar 18, 2024#7

What has Ann done in 12 years? Is 14 longer than Xi Jingping?


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PostMar 18, 2024#8

framer wrote:
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And he's moving to St. Charles.
If he moves close to Main Street, he will have access to a safe, walkable commercial street with night life that slays almost every city district trying to be the same. I write this as someone who will always live in the city as long as I remain in St. Louis, and as someone who has researched the regime of racialized capitalism that devastated the city in the twentieth century. So it's not completely fair. However, as someone who loves the kind of urbanism where people are constantly mixing across social divisions, I absolutely love Main Street in St. Charles. The suburbs are now able to teach the city a few things.

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PostMar 18, 2024#9

Please elaborate. What lessons should the City learn from St. Charles, or Webster or Kirkwood or any other local suburb with a central business/nightlife district?

"Round up and dump all the homeless in the City" comes to mind. "No low-income housing development" is another. 

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Please elaborate. What lessons should the City learn from St. Charles, or Webster or Kirkwood or any other local suburb with a central business/nightlife district?

"Round up and dump all the homeless in the City" comes to mind. "No low-income housing development" is another. 
I too struggle to find a lesson worth learning.  Certainly not ones the city hasn't already learned at some level.  Sure the city still makes questionable decisions but they are usually based around
-silver bullet projects
-bending over to accommodate special interests
-chasing retail dollars
-tough calls with limited resources
I don't see St. Charles being a particularly useful touchstone in any of these regards.  They are usually equally guilty or more so and have simply been the beneficiary of a massive wave of outmigration from St. Louis county.

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PostMar 18, 2024#11

I was just being smartass but thanks for your thoughtful reply, with which I wholly agree. Assuming long-term migration patterns continue, I expect the white flight will decimate St. Charles just as it did North County in the last 30 years and North City the 30 years before that.

PostMar 18, 2024#12

Sorry to derail this thread. To bring it back on topic, let me say that Ray Hartmann is a total doofus who did one good thing (found the RFT) 40 years ago and has been coasting off of that ever since. Oh please oh please, KETC, get someone on Donnybrook that isn't a status quo-loving boomer.

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SB in BH wrote:
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Sorry to derail this thread. To bring it back on topic, let me say that Ray Hartmann is a total doofus who did one good thing (found the RFT) 40 years ago and has been coasting off of that ever since. Oh please oh please, KETC, get someone on Donnybrook that isn't a status quo-loving boomer.
Definitely on board for new blood on donnybrook.  They are all way too cynical about what St. louis can be.  Well earned cynicism, sure, but the past is a guidebook not a rulebook.

That said I don't get doofus vibes from him.

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SB in BH wrote:
Mar 18, 2024
I was just being smartass but thanks for your thoughtful reply, with which I wholly agree. Assuming long-term migration patterns continue, I expect the white flight will decimate St. Charles just as it did North County in the last 30 years and North City the 30 years before that.
Do you even understand what you are saying? You are saying that if "white people" leave an area it will become a place that is no longer a viable place to live? Do you even understand what you are saying? Omg

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PostMar 19, 2024#15

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SB in BH wrote:
Mar 18, 2024
I was just being smartass but thanks for your thoughtful reply, with which I wholly agree. Assuming long-term migration patterns continue, I expect the white flight will decimate St. Charles just as it did North County in the last 30 years and North City the 30 years before that.
Do you even understand what you are saying? You are saying that if "white people" leave an area it will become a place that is no longer a viable place to live? Do you even understand what you are saying? Omg
I don’t know if this is even worth engaging with. But yes. When the people who have all the economic power leave the area and all that’s left is a disenfranchised population, things go south pretty quickly.

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PostMar 20, 2024#16

^Don't feed the troll.

^^I see you trollin', Lee. You know its about economic resources. Middle class blacks have ditched those places too, just a decade or two behind middle-class whites. Once a critical mass of blacks take up residence in St. Charles Co. the whites will depart again. 10 years from now we'll be hearing about how StL City must learn from Wright City and Foristell and the wise elders of Warren Co.

^^^Doofus is the wrong word; Hartmann's not dumb, and he's certainly more approachable and even mildly charming compared to Ann Wagner. but I think its fair to say he hasn't had an original or interesting thing to say in 40 years that you couldn't hear in 10 minutes of watching CNN or MSNBC. He's just a basic Democrat, which is fine, but it means he doesn't have a chance of winning in CD2, no matter how loud he yells about Abortion and the bad orange man.

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PostMar 20, 2024#17

I would love it if someone would revive Dick Gephardt's "ROTC program for teachers" concept.  

You go to college to be a teacher, government pays for it, you give 4 to 6 years of service depending on early child, k-5, 6-8, 9-12 and then you can "go career" or have time to retool your career.  I thought it was brilliant then, and it is needed even more now. 

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TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote:
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I would love it if someone would revive Dick Gephardt's "ROTC program for teachers" concept.  

You go to college to be a teacher, government pays for it, you give 4 to 6 years of service depending on early child, k-5, 6-8, 9-12 and then you can "go career" or have time to retool your career.  I thought it was brilliant then, and it is needed even more now. 
There is a good argument to be made the in state undergraduate college tuition should be free at any public university.

Anyone with a credentialed college should be able to get a teaching certificate to teach in that subject.  Tenure would be performance based and approved trough a standardized process.

Teachers should be paid enough to support a typical middle class lifestyle.

That would vastly increase the pool of candidates available to be teachers.