Speaking of reviving brands, I believe Miller owns the Falstaff brand. I'd love to see that brand resurface, if only in the Midwest. That was a STL original, going back to the Lemp days. Hopefully, somebody at ABI sees that and jumps on it.
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My bad.... I knew that... not sure why Miller came to mind... 
With retro and vintage being so "in" this days and with marketing tactics unveiling old labels and logos for beer (Busch, Lite, etc), it seems relaunching something like Falstaff would do well in this market. Easier said than done, I'm sure.
And Pabst was of course bought just last year by a Russian company, Oasis.
They're probably not too interested in trying to compete in an already competitive beer market here. Nostalgia is wonderful, but it's probably not enough to compete with the major players and the craft beer.
Maybe someday.
They're probably not too interested in trying to compete in an already competitive beer market here. Nostalgia is wonderful, but it's probably not enough to compete with the major players and the craft beer.
Maybe someday.
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It will probably take a nostalgic Falstaff fan to buy the name from Pabst, to get that brand launched again.
Anyone know what happened to the Lemp brand after Steve DeBellis passed away? I would assume his family still owns it, but who knows. It would be cool if they sold it to say a Billy Busch or someone that has the money to really grow the brand.
Anyone know what happened to the Lemp brand after Steve DeBellis passed away? I would assume his family still owns it, but who knows. It would be cool if they sold it to say a Billy Busch or someone that has the money to really grow the brand.
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Here's the beer industry story. This ABInbev outfit sucks at marketing and product creation. But they are good at scale and delivering financials to their shareholders. They are basically a PE firm. Combine that with less people drinking Bud, Bud Light, Busch, and craft beers becoming more popular, ABInbev had to do this deal to increase scale and efficiencies.
In a few years, they will start closing inefficient breweries. Is the STL brewery considered efficient? I don't know. but if it 's not, there is a possibility that brewery could close.
In a few years, they will start closing inefficient breweries. Is the STL brewery considered efficient? I don't know. but if it 's not, there is a possibility that brewery could close.
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The STL brewing operation is inefficient, due to the fact that the buildings are very old and brick. I think it is still a top producer in the US. I can't imagine them closing this brewery. That would kill their marketing and image. They only see dollar signs, but I think this impacts them negatively. I see them investing in the STL brewing operation, since it is their flagship operation. I see them trying to make it more efficient. (example: the Budweiser sign going to LED)
Now, saying that, I see a day, when the NA HQs is gone and the office tower is used only by people associated with the brewing operation here. That means all decision-makers will likely be in NYC. That has already started. Also, I see a day when the office tower is almost empty, it if isn't half-way there already.
Now, saying that, I see a day, when the NA HQs is gone and the office tower is used only by people associated with the brewing operation here. That means all decision-makers will likely be in NYC. That has already started. Also, I see a day when the office tower is almost empty, it if isn't half-way there already.
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^ the sign did go LED at a cost of $500,000 i would know, i signed off on the sign permit when i worked at the Zoning Office 3 years ago. (ps they put $100,000 on the sign permit to get a lower permit fee, but it was $500,000, they accidentally left a invoice from the sign maker in their plans)
They're spending an awful lot of money on the St. Louis brewery; I can't see them closing it any time soon.
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From that article:rbb wrote:They're spending an awful lot of money on the St. Louis brewery; I can't see them closing it any time soon.
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Of the funds, $162m has been earmarked for AB InBev’s largest brewery in St Louis, home of its US business. A further $12m will go towards changing the brewery’s power source from coal to natural gas.
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^They won't close the brewery, but they will likely take decision makers & upper management/corporate types out of here. Those jobs will be in NYC. If STL had a hub airport and some other big city amenities, we'd likely see more kept here. Being centrally located, available cheap labor and a strong history/legacy here, already helps the cause. Like I said, this will be AB's flagship brewing operation, but I don't see it being much else down the road. The US beer market is stagnant. Craft is slowly eating up their marketshare. They can only buy up so many craft brewers and disrupt distribution. In the end, craft will prevail. I do not see a bright future for big beer. There's always a place for it, but not at current marketshare levels. I'd love to see where "megabrew" is in 30 years.
AB Inbev is returning their PR account to Fleishman Hillard. Most work will be done in New York, but some will be done in St. Louis.
http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... 42aeb.html
http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... 42aeb.html
Every time I see this thread pop up I hold my breath. But, when it's good news I'm happy to go home and pop open a Michelob.
AB InBev to cut thousands of jobs after it's merger with Miller (mostly in Europe).
http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... 87564.html
http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/ ... 87564.html
From the article it appears that London gets to take the consolidation hit this time around.DogtownBnR wrote:^Mostly SAB Miller employees from what I've read.
One thing that seems like a smart move in the long run would be to bring Mexico into St Louis NA HQ. Can understand the latino cultural argument but in terms of geography and business its the third big piece of the North American puzzle. So its just odd to me that InBev has NA headquarters for Canada and US but doesn't include Mexico
Also, I would say that a lot of people would be surprise how American cultural is prevalent in most Mexican cities outside of the beach resorts. In addition, I believe US and Mexico are about to implement next step in Open Skies agreement. So Southwest and or Aeromexico could easily add STL to Mexico City trip if desired.
Just for fun, here's a photo essay by Margaret Bourke-White showing the Busch family living large. This was from a Life Magazine article published in 1955, during the brewery's heyday.
http://time.com/3880409/portrait-of-the ... r-dynasty/
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http://time.com/3880409/portrait-of-the ... r-dynasty/
The City is considering offering incentives to AB to open a $100 million food production plant at the Soulard brewery.
https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... 928d5.html
https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... 928d5.html
"Bud Light sales continue to plummet after transgender marketing controversy"
https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... p_id=14176
https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... p_id=14176
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^The speculation that Bud Light might lose it's number one slot to Modelo Especial particularly amuses me, since Grupo Modelo is yet another subsidiary of AB-Inbev.
Framer you want to be explicit about why you keep bringing this up?
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BECAUSE OF THE KIDS!!!PeterXCV wrote: ↑May 02, 2023Framer you want to be explicit about why you keep bringing this up?
Because it's an interesting situation that reflects a rapidly-changing culture, and it directly relates to our local economy. Seems worth talking about. It's a story that doesn't seem to be going away, and I'm surprised people seem to be reluctant to talk about it on these boards.PeterXCV wrote: ↑May 02, 2023Framer you want to be explicit about why you keep bringing this up?
BTW, I'm a long-time Bud Light drinker, and I certainly have no thoughts of switching or hiding my choice in restaurants.
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Bigotry isn't really all that interesting.framer wrote: ↑May 02, 2023Because it's an interesting situation that reflects a rapidly-changing culture, and it directly relates to our local economy. Seems worth talking about. It's a story that doesn't seem to be going away, and I'm surprised people seem to be reluctant to talk about it on these boards.PeterXCV wrote: ↑May 02, 2023Framer you want to be explicit about why you keep bringing this up?
BTW, I'm a long-time Bud Light drinker, and I certainly have no thoughts of switching or hiding my choice in restaurants.