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PostDec 20, 2022#501

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I'm hoping continued development in Midtown makes St. Louis more "sticky" for recent college grads. I remember when I went to Florida State how many people were still there 5-10 years after I graduated. I think one of the areas SLU and to a lesser extent Wash U failed is creating environments around the campus that were genuinely attractive to younger people and recent college graduates. I'm glad in the last couple of years, somebody most have gotten the memo. Much of the success of places like Austin, Nashville, etc. was keeping their young people stuck right out of college, which creates a young and vibrant vibe around the universities and creates demqnd for more housing, services, etc. I hope our major corporations and civic leaders are taking notes.
^Agreed - a few years ago when Steve Smith was talking about adding 10K residents to midtown I was sitting with someone doing really rough, 'back of the napkin' math and the metro area is roughly 7 to 8% ages 20-24-ish and if you can change the tides on a small portion of that ~200K population (obviously there is nuance here), you can make a pretty big impact in an area like midtown. 
I also think St. Louis does a really poor job retaining black professionals. This is hurting us demographically too. Many of the young black professionals I know jump at the chance to go to DC, Atlanta, Dallas, Charlotte, NYC etc. The perception is that St. Louis is generally just a racist city that is not welcoming to black professionals. Although, many people would like St. Louis to be more like Portland, Denver, Austin, Nashville, etc. The reality is that St. Louis demographically is a major Afro-American hub and whatever the city can do to improve the quality of life of black residents in the metro area, the better the region will do overall. We have a nice sized HBCU in Midtown, that should be a major selling point to attract and retain educated black people to the metro area. I'm very envious of how DC and Atlanta, now Texas and the Carolinas have promoted themselves as meccas for the black middle class, sucking away a lot of black talent from markets like St. Louis, Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago, etc. 
agree with this 100000000000%.   Currently, St. Louis has the 15th most African Americans in U.S. metros, a disproportionally higher number than it's 21st ranked metro size. 

Goat, how bout you move back?  get it started yourself.

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PostDec 20, 2022#502

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^Agreed - a few years ago when Steve Smith was talking about adding 10K residents to midtown I was sitting with someone doing really rough, 'back of the napkin' math and the metro area is roughly 7 to 8% ages 20-24-ish and if you can change the tides on a small portion of that ~200K population (obviously there is nuance here), you can make a pretty big impact in an area like midtown. 
I also think St. Louis does a really poor job retaining black professionals. This is hurting us demographically too. Many of the young black professionals I know jump at the chance to go to DC, Atlanta, Dallas, Charlotte, NYC etc. The perception is that St. Louis is generally just a racist city that is not welcoming to black professionals. Although, many people would like St. Louis to be more like Portland, Denver, Austin, Nashville, etc. The reality is that St. Louis demographically is a major Afro-American hub and whatever the city can do to improve the quality of life of black residents in the metro area, the better the region will do overall. We have a nice sized HBCU in Midtown, that should be a major selling point to attract and retain educated black people to the metro area. I'm very envious of how DC and Atlanta, now Texas and the Carolinas have promoted themselves as meccas for the black middle class, sucking away a lot of black talent from markets like St. Louis, Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago, etc. 
agree with this 100000000000%.   Currently, St. Louis has the 15th most African Americans in U.S. metros, a disproportionally higher number than it's 21st ranked metro size. 

Goat, how bout you move back?  get it started yourself.
I've been thinking about it honestly.

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PostDec 21, 2022#503

Anecdotally, nearly all of our social circle are transplants.  About half ended up here for one reason or another and made the choice to stay here because they liked it (as we did), the others are a mix of finding jobs/spouses, but they still stayed here. 
Almost all of my partner and my social circle are transplants. We really love the locals that are part of our circle, too, but they're definitely in the minority. These are mostly mid-30s to 50s folks. ...we gather (cut?) a broad swathe.

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PostDec 21, 2022#504

Every single of my close social contacts is someone I’ve known since 7th grade at earliest and 9th grade the latest.  

By close I mean people who’s wedding you’re in and the like

So basically everyone I’ve known for 20-24 years now

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PostDec 21, 2022#505

To bring this back to The Armory I think this is the kind of development that can be "sticky" to keep younger transplants here. I noticed that when I posted about it on Nextdoor (almost as a social experiment as I've noticed posts about big developments get scant attention while a Walgreens closing brings out boomer doomer comments) and several of those who replied talked about enjoying similar developments in other cities where they previously lived and were excited about this. 

Then you had the typical comments from people who rarely leave their (mostly) south side nabes about crime, St. Louis doesn't do anything right, blah blah blah. 

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PostDec 21, 2022#506

I guess there’s still plenty of work going on inside? Driving by this morning around 8:30am there were a number of work truck/vans in the parking lot.

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PostDec 21, 2022#507

I hope SLU is working with the Armory/Foundry to comarket them towards visiting potential students. People come from out of town to tour SLU and likely stay overnight. They should be giving out coupons or small gift cards to encourage prospective students to explore the surroundings and get excited about spending the next four years in the heart of it.

It's great to see because 10 years ago none of this existed and besides Grand Center, SLU was an island. Now it's surrounded by cool stuff. I've suggested in the past and I still recommend SLU leasing out a space at the Foundry to be a hub of sorts for new students. Like the place they meet before or after the tour, watch the promotional video or whatever, and leaf through the pamphlets. 

PostDec 21, 2022#508

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I guess there’s still plenty of work going on inside? Driving by this morning around 8:30am there were a number of work truck/vans in the parking lot.
They are still working on the basement concepts that include an EDM Club, speakeasy, and roller rink. Also a rooftop bar.

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PostDec 21, 2022#509

How many young people didn’t consider SLU, left while attending  or left St. Louis after graduating because of Biondis drying of the campus area? Now that Humphreys is back along with the Foundry and Armory this city will be more attractive and come/stay?

I know I’m taking this a bit off tangent but I don’t see the SLU shuttles at the Richmond Heights Schnucks any more. I can only assume Fresh Thyme solves that problem. Now maybe they can use those shuttles to run to/from The Armory.

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PostDec 21, 2022#510

^Was at Fresh Thyme last night, saw a SLU Shuttle. Which is nice. 

Back to the Armory... Will we see a walkway across 64/40 before one is put forward by Great Rivers Greenway? Or will we wait for one that incorporates the Brickline Greenway - and its funding? 

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PostDec 21, 2022#511

^ i haven't seen anything on modot's 5 year funded list or scoping list (engineering funds committed to design one)

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PostDec 21, 2022#512

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:
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I hope SLU is working with the Armory/Foundry to comarket them towards visiting potential students. 

...I've suggested in the past and I still recommend SLU leasing out a space at the Foundry to be a hub of sorts for new students.
SLU was actually an investor in Phase 1. The are also teamed up with Deli Star in the lower level of the Byco Building (Fresh Thyme) to provide a "test and teaching kitchen" to SLU students and classes. They absolutely use the Foundry as marketing. 

https://www.slu.edu/news/2021/february/ ... ership.php

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PostDec 22, 2022#513

Does a walkway over 64/40 have to be built by MODOT? Could a private developer hypothetically fund the whole thing (assuming that MODOT reviewed and signed off on it)?

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PostDec 22, 2022#514

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Does a walkway over 64/40 have to be built by MODOT? Could a private developer hypothetically fund the whole thing (assuming that MODOT reviewed and signed off on it)?
No. Yes, totally.

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PostDec 22, 2022#515

When did they tear down the walkway that used to be there? I can remember walking on it like 10 years ago I think, it was pretty bad shape. 

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PostDec 22, 2022#516

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When did they tear down the walkway that used to be there? I can remember walking on it like 10 years ago I think, it was pretty bad shape. 
It was closed in the June 2013 Streetview then gone in October 2014.

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PostDec 22, 2022#517

I am yet to go to Armory, but I've now met a non-insignificant number of individuals that have and that really enjoyed the space. 

We'll see what happens with the place, but I think it's undeniably off to a pretty good start.

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PostDec 22, 2022#518

Took my friend to the Armory and Alamo Drafthouse. She’s from St. Louis but just recently moved to Denver. She was very impressed and noticed all of the new developments saying “wow St. Louis is becoming a cool city right as I leave”


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PostDec 23, 2022#519

I’m here right now with a couple guys from Denver and one from Los Angeles…we’re all very impressed.

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PostDec 23, 2022#520

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Took my friend to the Armory and Alamo Drafthouse. She’s from St. Louis but just recently moved to Denver. She was very impressed and noticed all of the new developments saying “wow St. Louis is becoming a cool city right as I leave”


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A lot of visitors from everywhere come into our store, and it's people from Denver who are the most smitten with St. Louis (at least they tend to gush about it most). A lot of them have said they're jealous of how many cool neighborhoods St. Louis has that are loaded with character and charm.  A lot of them have lamented Denver's relative lack of personality and said that the cost of living and terrible traffic really detract from the appeal of the city. About two years ago a cool young couple (artists) from Denver was passing through STL on the way to NYC,  and they absolutely fell in love with it. Two months later they came back into the shop to let us know that they bought a place in Gravois Park-- they actually moved here. Didn't know a soul in St. Louis, they just loved the city. 

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PostDec 23, 2022#521

Denver stopped being cool shortly before covid started, still a great place and close to the mountains if you’re a mountains person

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PostDec 25, 2022#522

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Denver stopped being cool shortly before covid started, still a great place and close to the mountains if you’re a mountains person
As someone who went to Salt Lake/Park City for the first time recently… SLC is so much better for city/mountain life. Way easier to get into the mountains and closer. Now Denver is much bigger and has more going on, but I did like the setup SLC had. But it might be better for someone vacationing more than living there, when comparing to Denver. Airport to skiing in less than an hour. You in theory could stay in the city and go up the mountain to ski each day pretty easily.

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PostDec 29, 2022#523

Anecdotedly I’m aware of 11 people in my very extended social circle moving or who have recently moved to Denver from STL. A few years ago everybody was going to Texas

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PostDec 29, 2022#524

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Anecdotedly I’m aware of 11 people in my very extended social circle moving or who have recently moved to Denver from STL. A few years ago everybody was going to Texas
There’s a reason why when the Blues score a goal at an Avalanche game there’s a roar from the crowd.

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PostDec 29, 2022#525

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:
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Anecdotedly I’m aware of 11 people in my very extended social circle moving or who have recently moved to Denver from STL. A few years ago everybody was going to Texas
Were you're friends originally from STL ? 

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