They have money to spend now no reason to work together.
Page and Jones actually do seem to work well together though.
(I do agree with everyone’s overall sentiment, however)
(I do agree with everyone’s overall sentiment, however)
TL;DR - with Reed gone getting a BoF going is more possible
Stl BJ - Advance STL: Why there's reason for optimism in reigniting the Freeholders process
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... ermen.html
Stl BJ - Advance STL: Why there's reason for optimism in reigniting the Freeholders process
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... ermen.html
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Not sure where to put this, but the St. Charles County Executive wrote an op-ed piece in the STL Biz Journal calling for the state legislature to combine the city and county prosecutor position and to reconsider local control of the police department.
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news/2022/09/27/ehlmann-1-prosecutor-city-county.htmlJust as importantly, the legislature should require that only the attorney general, or a prosecutor from another jurisdiction appointed by the judge, decide whether to prosecute police officers involved in the shooting of a civilian. And the law should be changed to allow recusal by a prosecutor and appointment by the judge of a replacement when the prosecutor’s office cannot handle the caseload.
Improved law enforcement is useless unless prosecuting attorneys prosecute when given probable cause and convict when the suspect is guilty. The legislature should ask the voters to amend the state Constitution so they can combine the St. Louis city and county circuits into a single circuit, as they were before the city separated from the county in 1876. Like Jackson County, the circuit would have two courthouses. There would be the same number of judges, clerks’ bailiffs, and janitors, but voters would be asked to change the state Constitution to have a single circuit attorney, chosen by an electorate that comprised more than half of the region’s eligible voters.
Nothing says St. Charles County like “supporting local control” while advocating for destroying local control in a neighboring jurisdiction you don’t like.
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And trying to get Jeff City to give him a say in control of the airport that his jurisdiction has never contributed to in any meaningful way.
It's certainly not "small government, less bureaucracy".
It's certainly not "small government, less bureaucracy".
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Jeff City is probably trying to figure out how to solve this by cutting taxes.
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I'd be for merging County/City into one circuit, with 230,000 Democrat voters being added to the county for this specific job it will ensure that Gardner never loses and becomes even more powerful
I feel like Wesley Bell would crush Kim Gardner in a head to head match. Given a worthy contender, I don't think Gardner will win with just City voters the next election.
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^I support both merging City and County and seeing Wesley Bell competing heads-up with Kim Gardner.
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I think Bell has bigger political ambitions after his second term.
^100% agree. The problem with Gardner is competence. She and Bell are pretty aligned ideologically, but he's a capable attorney and administrator and she's a total hack. I'd like to think voters who share that ideology would recognize the difference and vote accordingly.
Too bad its all a fantasy anyway. There will be no merger of any significance any time soon and I say that hoping to be proven wrong.
Too bad its all a fantasy anyway. There will be no merger of any significance any time soon and I say that hoping to be proven wrong.
He would. I live in the County and I also would support a single circuit 1000%, but would literally never even consider voting for Gardner.
Very that. STC never seems to care about what happens across the Missouri River unless it's "oh big city bad, crime bad, my bleed our way" type of bullcrap.sc4mayor wrote: ↑Sep 28, 2022Nothing says St. Charles County like “supporting local control” while advocating for destroying local control in a neighboring jurisdiction you don’t like.
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St Charles is basically a community founded on the principle that the City is dangerous.reednavy wrote: ↑Oct 17, 2022Very that. STC never seems to care about what happens across the Missouri River unless it's "oh big city bad, crime bad, my bleed our way" type of bullcrap.sc4mayor wrote: ↑Sep 28, 2022Nothing says St. Charles County like “supporting local control” while advocating for destroying local control in a neighboring jurisdiction you don’t like.
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Not really since it is one of the oldest cities in the metro. Founded in 1769... (St. Louis City was founded in 1764)MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Oct 18, 2022St Charles is basically a community founded on the principle that the City is dangerous.reednavy wrote: ↑Oct 17, 2022Very that. STC never seems to care about what happens across the Missouri River unless it's "oh big city bad, crime bad, my bleed our way" type of bullcrap.sc4mayor wrote: ↑Sep 28, 2022Nothing says St. Charles County like “supporting local control” while advocating for destroying local control in a neighboring jurisdiction you don’t like.
There is a deep insecurity in STC especially in the larger county regarding the city to be sure and White flight was/is very real. But the city of STC has a very long history.
Yep, it's certainly not founded on but certainly how it's being sold today by those in a position to do so.
I would love to see a collaborative campaign showing St Charles Co as an integral part of the St. Louis region. It should be embraced by STLians because there's so much to contribute!
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I would love to see a collaborative campaign showing St Charles Co as an integral part of the St. Louis region. It should be embraced by STLians because there's so much to contribute!
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St. Charles' historic downtown and housing stock, plus it's history as Missouri's first capitol. Wonderful, scenic German small towns with a rich history of significant contributions to the global wine industry (seriously, a guy from Herman is hailed in France as single-handedly saving their grape crops! The guy who established the first Napa Valley winery learned the craft in Augusta! Etc.)The Daniel Boone Home is an underrated, historically significant site
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^paraphrasing Ghandi, "I like your [St. Charles] but don't like your [St. Charlesans], they are so unlike your [St. Charles].
Yes, yes, not all St. Charlesans. There are fine people on both sides...(of the river).
Yes, yes, not all St. Charlesans. There are fine people on both sides...(of the river).
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I think white flight is a much stronger influence on the current community than whoever was there in 1769.STLEnginerd wrote: ↑Oct 18, 2022Not really since it is one of the oldest cities in the metro. Founded in 1769... (St. Louis City was founded in 1764)MarkHaversham wrote: ↑Oct 18, 2022St Charles is basically a community founded on the principle that the City is dangerous.reednavy wrote: ↑Oct 17, 2022Very that. STC never seems to care about what happens across the Missouri River unless it's "oh big city bad, crime bad, my bleed our way" type of bullcrap.
There is a deep insecurity in STC especially in the larger county regarding the city to be sure and White flight was/is very real. But the city of STC has a very long history.
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hey if he had said St. peters, O'Fallon or lake saint louis instead of St. Charles i would have skipped the reply. SO yeah there is a point to be made. I will also say though St Charles proper is much more diverse than the rest of STC county. Not St. Louis city diverse, but still.
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Most definitely. I get as annoyed with those who call everything west of the Missouri River "St. Charles" as I do with those who call everything east of Kingshighway "Downtown".STLEnginerd wrote: ↑Oct 18, 2022hey if he had said St. peters, O'Fallon or lake saint louis instead of St. Charles i would have skipped the reply. SO yeah there is a point to be made. I will also say though St Charles proper is much more diverse than the rest of STC county. Not St. Louis city diverse, but still.
There are differences between St. Charles city and the more exurban areas of the county. As you noted, STC city is more diverse and politically a little more purple (I noticed quite a few Trudy Busch Valentine signs in the downtown and midtown parts of St. Chuck). Also as noted on the homeless thread you do see quite a few more unhoused in the city of STC proper.
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This discussion was about something said by the St. Charles County Executive so I thought it was clear that I was talking about the county. Having said that, given the population growth in STC after WWII I think ascribing cultural qualities based on the 18th century settlement is only slightly more meaningful than characterizing it based on Hopewell culture. Whatever the circumstances of STC's legal founding, that culture has been thoroughly supplanted or displaced by white flight.Baltimore Jack wrote: ↑Oct 19, 2022Most definitely. I get as annoyed with those who call everything west of the Missouri River "St. Charles" as I do with those who call everything east of Kingshighway "Downtown".STLEnginerd wrote: ↑Oct 18, 2022hey if he had said St. peters, O'Fallon or lake saint louis instead of St. Charles i would have skipped the reply. SO yeah there is a point to be made. I will also say though St Charles proper is much more diverse than the rest of STC county. Not St. Louis city diverse, but still.
There are differences between St. Charles city and the more exurban areas of the county. As you noted, STC city is more diverse and politically a little more purple (I noticed quite a few Trudy Busch Valentine signs in the downtown and midtown parts of St. Chuck). Also as noted on the homeless thread you do see quite a few more unhoused in the city of STC proper.
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Hopefully, some progress can be made this time around
Merger talks? St. Louis officials open to reuniting city and county
Merger talks? St. Louis officials open to reuniting city and county
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/merger-talks-st-louis-officials-open-to-reuniting-city-and-county/article_d4e86c9f-da67-5a71-8973-a344af0ae524.html#tracking-source=home-top-storyLeaders in both governments have spoken in recent days on how to restart the process that could reshape the region’s fractured government. County Executive Sam Page, St. Louis Mayor Tishaura O. Jones and even the new city aldermanic president, Megan Green, all say that they are interested in rekindling discussions.
“I believe it would be the right thing to do under the right set of circumstances,” Page said. “But I have to be very careful about making a global statement about an action that doesn’t have details attached to it. That would be inflammatory.”
Leaders have tried several times to undo voters’ almost 150-year-old decision to split St. Louis and St. Louis County. The most recent effort, dubbed “Better Together,” failed spectacularly not four years ago. But it also reinvigorated the long-standing argument that city government, county government and all 88 county municipalities could operate much more efficiently. Even critics of past efforts have begun to talk about small steps — such as, perhaps, St. Louis reentering St. Louis County.
"Leaders have tried several times to undo voters’ almost 150-year-old decision to split St. Louis and St. Louis County."
It's unclear what the voters ' decision was. On the first count it failed, the result was challenged in court, a judge threw some votes out and deemed it passed.
It's unclear what the voters ' decision was. On the first count it failed, the result was challenged in court, a judge threw some votes out and deemed it passed.