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PostSep 05, 2022#101

Speed humps on every block is a dumb idea, however they can be designed to take a car’s oil pan and do other significant damage if you take them too fast. More of those around the city on problem streets would be a good idea. Basically an immovable slab of asphalt that would seriously mess up their vehicle.

Having said all that, I 100% want bulb outs at every intersection just for safer crossing distances for pedestrians…plus they could be made into rain gardens for stormwater runoff.

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PostSep 06, 2022#102

I could entirely see how a well designed combination of several things could be useful. Raised crosswalks could both benefit pedestrians and function as speed humps, if well designed. Protect them with bump outs and pedestrian refuges. Narrow streets with parking and protected bike lanes. (There's probably fewer than ten streets in this town that need to be more than two lanes for any distance. Slow down cars with tight traffic circles and chicanes. Heck, I'm even on board with carefully engineered street closures now: they can be made to be pedestrian and bike permeable, creating safe, walkable areas, even without significantly impacting drivers. (I've given up on "heal the grid." I'm not opposed to it, mind. But I'm also no longer strictly in favor of it. I do think it should be open to pedestrians, but not necessarily cars. That can be looked at case by case.)

Anyway, I think we probably need an all of the above approach. Even including automated enfrocement.

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PostSep 06, 2022#103

when out walking do you cross streets? https://youtu.be/DafhI7hc980

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PostSep 06, 2022#104

^That's precisely what I was thinking. (Probably where I got the idea, though Columbia came remarkably close with their brick crosswalks downtown. They just needed to raise them.)

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PostSep 08, 2022#105

StlToday - Dozens have died on a St. Louis County road. Now it’s getting fixed.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... dca95.html

PostSep 14, 2022#106

Interesting

BB 77 introduced b Ald Tyus
An ordinance to protect the public health, safety and welfare by prohibiting the use of alleys by operators of motor vehicles for drive through traffic in the following Neighborhoods: Kingsway East, Kingsway West, Penrose, Mark Twain, requiring the posting of those allowed to use of the alley, containing a penalty clause and an emergency clause.
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/c ... BBId=14097

PostSep 14, 2022#107

BB 85 introduced by Ald Howard


The proposed bill directs the Director of Streets to install speed humps to calm the flow of traffic on the: 4900 block of Neosho Street; 4300 block Wilcox Avenue; 4400 block to 4600 block of Wilcox Avenue; the 4900 block to 4100 block of Alfred Avenue; 4100 block of Neosho Street between the intersections of Neosho Street and Newport Avenue and Neosho Street and Ray Avenue; 4150 block of Neosho Street between the intersections of Neosho Street and Adkins Avenue and Neosho Street and Varrelmann Avenue; the 5030 block of Murdoch Avenue; and the 5020 block of Murdoch Avenue.
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/c ... BBId=14105

BB 81 introduced by Ald Todd
The proposed bill directs the Director of Streets to install speed humps to calm the flow of traffic on the: 4250 block of Enright Avenue, 4100 block of McPherson Avenue, 1800 block of Prairie Avenue in front of 1819 Prairie Avenue, and 3900 and 4000 blocks of Westminster Place.
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/c ... BBId=14101

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PostSep 21, 2022#108

Opinion | How to solve St. Louis' reckless driving crisis
https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... ivers.html

By Rachel Witt – executive director, South Grand Community Improvement District
Sep 15, 2022
It is becoming more common today to use a green light as a four way stop. No one moves when they receive a green light fearing someone will run the red and hit them. Pedestrians are making eye contact with the driver before they step out to cross a street. There is more fear today walking, cycling and driving due to reckless drivers. 
What can be done for everyone to feel safe in a main street?

Coordination with local law enforcement, legislation to hold drivers accountable and programs are essential elements to make our roads safer and protect our main streets. Legislation and programs are the key to success for safer and calmer streets for small businesses’ customers and employees. The creation of complete streets with road diets, lower speed limits and curb extensions are just one factor to create a safer and walkable main street. Coordination with local law enforcement and programs are also the key to success. 
Today, too many drivers lack car insurance and a driver’s license, and drive with expired temporary tags. The reckless driving with no consequences needs to end.
Complete streets are one variable for safer streets. Unfortunately, you can design and implement complete street models, but all the funds invested are for nothing if the damage to the streetscape outweighs the intention to create a more walkable, bikeable and more pedestrian street. 
For the past 10 years along South Grand Boulevard, we have incurred more than $70,000 in damages from reckless drivers, within six blocks. In 90% of the accidents, the driver did not have car insurance nor a valid driver’s license. Legislation needs to be enacted to get these vehicles off the street until the driver can provide a valid driver’s license and proof of car insurance.  
People do not feel safe with the worsening trend of increased reckless driving since the start of the Covid pandemic. Main streets like South Grand are more vulnerable to this dangerous trend where people live, work and play. The domino effect of reckless drivers can impact the livelihood of small businesses. For instance, potential new businesses to a main street are looking not just at the traffic volume, wealth and large employers nearby, but they are looking at vehicular crashes.  
What can we be done in the United States besides creating costly fines for reckless driving or penalize those without a valid driver’s license or car insurance?
To start, programs should be created to help those who do not have the funds to purchase car insurance. Nonprofits can provide grants for the first year to help those in poverty. Their vehicle is to assist with getting to their employer. Instead of taking their means of income away from them, provide financial assistance, which in the end benefits everyone. 
Increasingly, we have built a region where people have to own cars to reach jobs. We should be focusing on redeveloping areas where transit is frequent, which is a bus or train every 15 minutes or better like Grand Boulevard.
Also, in every state it should be a requirement to have driver’s education. In the state of Missouri, it is not required. Also, every state should have campaigns about safe driving with billboards and PSAs. 
To move forward, we all need to be held accountable. By allowing lawlessness, we are part of the problem. How will communities remain or become a destination for those to live, work or play if the vehicular crashes outweigh growth of our main streets? The coordination with local law enforcement, legislation to hold drivers accountable and programs are the key to make our roads safer to protect our main streets. 

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PostSep 21, 2022#109

How about gas tax money pays the $70k and for other damage done by drivers? Or subsidizing insurance for those trapped by unaffordable car dependency?

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PostSep 21, 2022#110

"What can we be done in the United States besides creating costly fines for reckless driving or penalize those without a valid driver’s license or car insurance?

To start, programs should be created to help those who do not have the funds to purchase car insurance. Nonprofits can provide grants for the first year to help those in poverty. Their vehicle is to assist with getting to their employer. Instead of taking their means of income away from them, provide financial assistance, which in the end benefits everyone. "

                                                                    -The Article Above

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PostSep 26, 2022#111

NextStl - Moving Forward Part 2: Personal Accountability - Traffic Enforcement for Safer Streets

https://nextstl.com/2022/09/moving-forw ... r-streets/

PostSep 26, 2022#112

More f-ing studying. I mean this could be helpful, but omg, I'm tired of studying.

StlToday - Mayor: St. Louis needs citywide study for safer streets

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... f3a2e.html

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PostSep 26, 2022#113

^+1

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PostSep 26, 2022#114

That's actually a platform someone should run on, lol

No more studies (unless required for funding)!

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PostSep 26, 2022#115

quincunx wrote:
Sep 26, 2022
More f-ing studying. I mean this could be helpful, but omg, I'm tired of studying.

StlToday - Mayor: St. Louis needs citywide study for safer streets

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... f3a2e.html
They have the data which spells out where the issues are.  We have knowledge of what works from other cities.  Even have record of our own success on N. Florissant.  Delaying action for a study does nothing more than waste time and put people at risk.  Frustrating.  

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PostSep 26, 2022#116

Looks like one of the islands on Choteau took a hit. the signal light is knocked down with pieces all over the street. Whatever vehicle hit it spilled it's guts because there was fluid all over the place.

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PostSep 26, 2022#117

pattimagee wrote:
Sep 26, 2022
That's actually a platform someone should run on, lol

No more studies (unless required for funding)!
[Seinfeld voice]: What's the deal with all these studies ?!?

Seriously, what is the deal with all the studies? Is there some kind of kickback scheme going on, i.e. Deloitte (or whoever, just the first giant consultancy that came to mind) donates to political campaigns in return for a steady book of business doing these studies? Does someone in the Jones Admin have a second job working for a consultancy? Or is this just politicians being overly cautious? 

In corporate world, when management wants to do something unpopular, like layoffs/restructuring, but doesn't want to take the PR heat, they hire McKinsey to do a study/take the blame. Is something like that happening here?

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PostSep 26, 2022#118

studies studies studies
Interesting there were not  years and years of studies regarding Schoemehl pots Basically the city just installed them done deal
https://nextstl.com/2021/01/schoemehl-p ... -st-louis/

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PostSep 26, 2022#119

Police enforcement is also a real issue.

Over the weekend I avoided a collision only because I was looking for idiots blasting past stop signs. I pulled up to a four way stop. A car pulls up to my right shortly after, and a city police car pulls up to the same intersection opposite me. As I start through a car with no front bumper blows right past the guy stopped to my right. I saw him and stopped, and he slammed on the brakes once he saw me, ending up on the middle of the intersection and basically right in front of the cop. We were *close*. He then proceeds through (since he was blocking the intersection anyway). The cop just went on his merry way like nothing happened.

Maybe this particular cop was off duty. But based on this and other anecdotal evidence I can only assume STL police are choosing not to pursue or pull over dangerous drivers.

-RBB

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PostSep 26, 2022#120

They were installed by Aldermen via board bills. The process is the same for the most part for speed humps and other street improvements paid from ward capital funds. At least small stuff. Big things like Natural Bridge or the Tower Grove get fed and/or state funds with a local match which I think wouldn't come from ward capital given the scale. I understand why Alds might want to keep the power of these things since they take the political heat from slightly inconvenienced drivers and/or want to take credit for the improvements. It's also a way for things to get mired in process and not happen.
She told reporters in an interview session Thursday the study could enable more comprehensive planning and budgeting than is currently possible under a system where many studies are commissioned by individual aldermen for specific projects, and improvements are often covered by ward capital money. 

Aldermen have long held significant sway over traffic planning in the city and have at times been skeptical of a more centralized approach. Just last year, aldermen voted 20-6 to take back authority over traffic-slowing speed humps despite protests from the Jones administration.

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PostSep 26, 2022#121

SB in BH wrote:
Sep 26, 2022
pattimagee wrote:
Sep 26, 2022
That's actually a platform someone should run on, lol

No more studies (unless required for funding)!
[Seinfeld voice]: What's the deal with all these studies ?!?

Seriously, what is the deal with all the studies? Is there some kind of kickback scheme going on, i.e. Deloitte (or whoever, just the first giant consultancy that came to mind) donates to political campaigns in return for a steady book of business doing these studies? Does someone in the Jones Admin have a second job working for a consultancy? Or is this just politicians being overly cautious? 

In corporate world, when management wants to do something unpopular, like layoffs/restructuring, but doesn't want to take the PR heat, they hire McKinsey to do a study/take the blame. Is something like that happening here?
Yeah basically? Grift + the appearance of doing something without the risk of actually doing anything? Oh you want to be safe/end homelessness/stop dying in gunfire, don't worry we're "studying" it. Hey advocates, vote for us, we're studying the possibility of someday doing all your pet projects!

PostSep 26, 2022#122

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Sep 26, 2022
studies studies studies
Interesting there were not  years and years of studies regarding Schoemehl pots Basically the city just installed them done deal
https://nextstl.com/2021/01/schoemehl-p ... -st-louis/
That's what it looks like when the politicians actually want to do something.

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PostSep 26, 2022#123

The SLMPD made 45,154 traffic stops in 2021. That's 1/3 fewer than 67,984 in 2013, but not zero. 

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PostSep 27, 2022#124

This study is actually needed and it makes sense. To date alders have been spending $50,000 a pop doing their own ward specific traffic studies and those are worthless, the impact of traffic in the ward being studied isn’t just contained in the ward boundaries.

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PostOct 04, 2022#125

RFT - St. Louisans Offer Free Bike Helmets to Raise Hell About Traffic Violence

https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/st ... e-38619930

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