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PostFeb 11, 2022#76

The Old Courthouse was just fixed up and I think I remember hearing through that process that City Hall was on a restoration short-list as well. 

"ST. LOUIS (KMOX) - After revitalizing the Gateway Arch grounds, museum and park and Kiener Plaza, the CityArchRiver project is turning its attention to the one of the most historically significant buildings in the city of St. Louis, the Old Courthouse.

It's planning a multi-million dollar renovation, that will add an elevator, a new HVAC system and renovate floors and ceilings. Exhibits will be upgraded to focus on The Dred and Harriet Scott case, the lives of free and enslaved African Americans in St. Louis, the Courthouse's history and the history and importance of the court system."
https://www.audacy.com/kmox/news/local/ ... renovation

PostMar 08, 2022#77



Some notable things in here for this forum: 
 - Infrastructure Improvements in North STL to prime neighborhoods around NGIA
 - Building stabilization, maintenance, deconstruction and demolition to address vacancy and combat blight.
 - Traffic calming and street paving to protect people driving, walking, or biking. 
 - Support for our arts institutions and neighborhood placemaking. 

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PostMar 09, 2022#78

^All of that sounds pretty solid. But most of all, I like that she's suggesting the board slow down and listen to voters.

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PostMar 09, 2022#79

It's crazy ironic how the pursuit of "equity" ends up with everyone having nothing.

This ARPA funding situation is a joke.

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PostMar 09, 2022#80

Lead abatement?

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PostMar 09, 2022#81

Set of priorities by the Mayor is a perfect balance of hard and human infrastructure, BOA should move to fund this ASAP. We’ll be a better city when it’s implemented

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PostMar 09, 2022#82

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Set of priorities by the Mayor is a perfect balance of hard and human infrastructure, BOA should move to fund this ASAP.  We’ll be a better city when it’s implemented
Yes, well, I agree. I'll even go along with the whole "human infrastructure" as being an actual thing. Do something. Have some bold vision. Do something NOW. I'm not suggesting that we be flippant or irresponsible. But DO SOMETHING. Have some passion or urgency.

If you don't know what to do with the money then just cut everyone a check and be done with it.

PostMar 09, 2022#83

You know what I like? People with passionate ideas and art and panache and urgency. By the way, remember that forum poster who was posting briefly with designs and drawings and ideas and then disappeared? What happened? Where'd that guy go? Demoralized? Had your dreams crushed? Must've been an out of towner.

If everytime I had an idea about something and then I had to run it by 20 friends beforehand you know what I end up with? Nothing.

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PostApr 21, 2022#85

Bizjournal article on Lewis Reed's thought on where next round of stimulus should go towards.   Behind paywall so not sure what ideas he pushing and or hard details.   Have to agree with mentality of long term instead of cash payouts if I understand correctly.   Of course, not a city resident, not even a state resident anymore, nor have we had to pay city earnings tax on my wife's job so those with some skin in the game have a much more valued opinion then I.    

^ However, curious to what survey showed that quincunx posted above.   Didn't feel right to fill it out simply for the sake to see something.   The city I live in had a survey available to residents on what to do with its share of stimulus funds, my two cents was either streets & parks/open space and or invest in affordable housing being built.   So far it has gone into city budget reserves in a city that has plenty of budget reserve & demographics to support a downturn even when things get tight.  

https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/new ... -reed.html

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PostApr 21, 2022#86

St. Louis Mayor Tishaura Jones offered few specifics in her pitch Tuesday to spend $150 million in federal money in north city, saying that the funds would "begin bridging the racial wealth gap that splits our city into two."

Asked for more detail about the plan to utilize additional funds from St. Louis' allocation from the American Rescue Plan Act, a spokesman for Jones said Wednesday that "we are continuing to do community engagement, including town halls, roundtables, and surveys online and on paper, to help ensure these federal funds strengthen our communities for generations to come." He added that the administration has received more than 3,000 responses to its survey.

The city's legislative leader, Aldermanic President Lewis Reed, is now publicly offering ideas for north city. The Board of Aldermen must allocate the spending of ARPA funds. The city got about $500 million from ARPA, which must be obligated by the end of 2024 and spent by the end of 2026. Last year, the Board of Aldermen allocated $168 million, which, after a dispute with the mayor, ended up including $37 million for small businesses, nonprofits and neighborhood economic development in north city.

But Reed said more must be done to permanently improve the north side's built environment, which suffers with thousands of vacant structures.

He said the city should use no more ARPA funds for direct payments to residents. The city last year allocated $5 million for $500 payments to 10,000 people. If that led to permanent change, Reed said, the north side would be flourishing after those payments and other pandemic-related direct aid.

It would be less popular, but north city actually needs "long-term, transformational, structural changes — those big, one-time expenses that we will never (again) be able to put together this amount of capital to be able to address in a one-time operation," Reed said. "If we build this business environment in the neighborhoods in and around north St. Louis, everybody wins. Half of our potential tax bases is there, and it's not generating the revenue that it could generate if we invested in it."

Reed said he'll introduce a new spending bill in the next couple weeks, and it could then change throughout the legislative process. He didn't specify a dollar figure. Anything approved by the Board of Aldermen must also get the OK from a three-person fiscal Board of Estimate and Apportionment, made up of Reed but also Jones and her political ally, Comptroller Darlene Green.

Reed said his bill could include incentives for so-called development zones near the site of the new National-Geospatial Intelligence Agency western headquarters, which is under construction in St. Louis Place. Those could allow individuals or families to fix up vacant properties and make them energy efficient, he said.

Youth job programs could also be expanded, Reed said, along with "outreach efforts so that we're connecting and getting to the people." He mentioned the nonprofit Urban League of Metropolitan St. Louis as an entity that could help in that regard.

And the north side's recreation centers badly need investment, Reed said. "They're in deplorable shape."

The government should also consider making further streetscape improvements and targeting clusters of vacant structures for rehabilitation, he said.

Businesses could be helped, Reed said, with more grants and the expansion of broadband. "If we can establish broadband corridors throughout business districts we're working to revitalize, we won't just revitalize that stretch of business district, we'll impact neighborhoods and everything around it."

Though the north side's challenges are greater than those overcome in past south side turnaround projects, Reed cited improvements to Lafayette Square in the 1990s and Washington Avenue later as evidence that neighborhoods can improve with investment. Federal infrastructure dollars, plus the city's share of the $512.6 million National Football League settlement, will also eventually flow to the government.

But Reed indicated it may not be easy to convince Jones to agree to invest in programs that will alter the physical environment, and criticized the disclosure in February that the city had spent just 2% of the ARPA funds allocated. The Jones administration has cited the city’s procurement regulations and federal rules as part of the reason, plus ongoing programs that dole out money.

"When we think about these built environments and establishing them and marketing them to make a difference, it's going to take a minute to do it correctly under this current administration. We have to bring them a long way in terms of where our priorities are and where theirs seem to be," Reed said, citing the direct payments to residents championed by Jones and a Jones plan, as yet not fulfilled, to set up an “intentional encampment” for homeless people.

The Jones spokesman didn't immediately respond to the criticism.

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PostApr 22, 2022#87

With all the free money floating around it sure would be a great time to be "politically connected". Otherwise, you are probably out of luck.

Let's revisit this "once in a lifetime" opportunity in 4-5 years and see what happened.

This will be a boondoggle of epic proportions. It will be a de facto welfare slush fund for city government and the politically connected that will have very little long term positive effect city wide and its residents. It's a tragedy. I've seen it too many times to convince me otherwise. Let's take a look back in five years. Good luck.

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PostApr 22, 2022#88

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With all the free money floating around it sure would be a great time to be "politically connected". Otherwise, you are probably out of luck.

Let's revisit this "once in a lifetime" opportunity in 4-5 years and see what happened.

This will be a boondoggle of epic proportions. It will be a de facto welfare slush fund for city government and the politically connected that will have very little long term positive effect city wide and its residents. It's a tragedy. I've seen it too many times to convince me otherwise. Let's take a look back in five years. Good luck.
You've seen hundreds of millions of extra federal dollars plus an additional half a billion from a fraudulent NFL relocation settlement happen many times before? Care to name....three....examples?

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PostApr 22, 2022#89

Please prove me wrong. See you in five years.

Out of curiosity I just went back and did a quick Google about the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009. One of the things that jumped out at me from the PBS website was the claim that "700 water systems were upgraded to federal clean water standards". Apparently they never got to Flint, Michigan.

Bart - you are saying that this is literally unprecedented in history.? This is going to make it even more painful. One billion dollars and 66 square miles. Let's talk in five years.

PostApr 22, 2022#90

Or maybe they did make it to Flint but the people in Flint didn't do their job and/or just stole the money.

Bart - I appreciate youthful optimism. I also have much respect for learning things the hard way. You gonna get both.

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PostApr 22, 2022#91

leeharveyawesome wrote:Or maybe they did make it to Flint but the people in Flint didn't do their job and/or just stole the money.

Bart - I appreciate youthful optimism. I also have much respect for learning things the hard way. You gonna get both.
Bart isn’t portraying a youthful optimism as you condescendingly put it. Rather, he’s stating that something like this simply has not happened before. The stimulus today is much bigger and very different than the stimulus in 2009.

Your wildly overconfident claim that you’ve seen this before and that it’s destined to fail is based on nothing. You provide absolutely no evidence, and that’s likely because as Bart stated, this is unprecedented.


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PostApr 22, 2022#92

One Billion Dollars.

66 square miles.

See you in five years.

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PostApr 22, 2022#93

Hasn't everyone tired of LHA's "edgy skeptic" routine? I know I have. Best to ignore him. 

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PostApr 22, 2022#94

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Hasn't everyone tired of LHA's "edgy skeptic" routine? I know I have. Best to ignore him. 
I thought it was a "dipshit parade" routine.  Guess my youthful optimism got the best of me.

PostApr 22, 2022#95

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Bart - you are saying that this is literally unprecedented in history.? This is going to make it even more painful. One billion dollars and 66 square miles. Let's talk in five years.
Yes, that's literally what I said.  "hundreds of millions of extra federal dollars plus an additional half a billion from a fraudulent NFL relocation settlement"

You didn't provide any rebuking of that.  Just tried to own me by stating that ARRA helped fix 700+ water systems. 

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PostApr 22, 2022#96

leeharveyawesome wrote:
Apr 22, 2022
Or maybe they did make it to Flint but the people in Flint didn't do their job and/or just stole the money.

Bart - I appreciate youthful optimism. I also have much respect for learning things the hard way. You gonna get both.
The Flint debacle didn't start until 2014/15, when most of the $67M Michigan received via ARPA for drinking water projects was already spent. 

I get that you don't like City government in general or the Jones administration in particular, or probably government at all, but there's just no comparison between the situation we find ourselves in now, what happened in Flint, or previous efforts by Administrations of both parties to stimulate the economy (Don't forget about GWB's Economic Stimulus Act of 2008!). 

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PostApr 22, 2022#97

Reminder that the forum does have a way to mute posters who you may prefer not to see or read their posts.  If you click on their profile and scroll to the bottom you can select "add foe". This will auto collapse this persons posts in all threads so they're easier to skip over / ignore.

(Not sure why the button is labeled "add foe" as "mute this member" would probably be better but... alas. That's not my call to make. Maybe @walker can update that in the future?)

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PostApr 22, 2022#98

^Good tip.  Thank you.

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PostApr 22, 2022#99

Love him or hate him, I think Mr. Awesome has a valid concern. Government money does have a way of making it's way into the hands of the "Well Connected".

Sure, St. Louis will see a lot of much-needed investment, and the benefits will be there for all to see. Most of the money will be put to good use, but an awful lot of it will also be wasted, lost, and yes, just plain stolen. Public watchdogs will have a lot to keep an eye on.

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PostApr 22, 2022#100

Don't leave out that many people think things are cheaper than they actually are.

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