I guess golf fans aren't as beholden to the billionaire team ownership model.gone corporate wrote: ↑Nov 10, 2021Well, most media still isn't covering this story, but FWIW there is some new pickup...
Golf Digest: You won’t believe this, but the NFL reportedly wants a team in St. Louis
I'll give the golfers credit, they sure didn't pull any punches.In 2015, after two decades under the arch, the St. Louis Rams packed their bags and headed west. Stan Kroenke, one of the worst owners not only in America, but in England too, wanted a bigger market. So did the NFL. St. Louis fought hard to keep their adopted team, but ultimately the gravitational pull of La La Land was too strong. The Rams moved to LA, hired a baby-faced coach, built a shiny new stadium, and, magically, were good again. Go figure.
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From the summation of the Golf Digest article—"Is this just hubris and obliviousness, per NFL SOP?"
Nice find, GC!
Nice find, GC!
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Very interesting...
Here’s the key sentence: “Any relocating club agrees to indemnify and hold harmless all other member clubs, including their owners, officers and employees, as well as the league and its employees, in respect of any costs, including legal fees and other litigation expenses, incurred in respect of any legal or administrative challenge, regardless of the party bringing the challenge, related to the relocation or covenants not to sue any of the foregoing persons or entities.”
Kroenke surely will argue that “costs” include “legal fees and other litigation expenses,” and not “judgments and settlements.”
If this is the actual language that applies to the commitments Kroenke’s made upon moving from St. Louis, it’s a failure of drafting by the NFL’s lawyers, frankly. Whether in-house counsel or someone from a billable-hour outside firm, someone should have written the clause to expressly articulate “judgments and settlements.”
Costas let Jones off the hook. At one point in the interview Jones said St. Louis was a good city with good football fans.
Then
1) was Stan lying in his relocation letter that crapped all over St. Louis football fans?
2) why did you laugh at us in the press conference announcing the move?
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I imagine that for Jones to agree to appear on this show Costas had to agree to not get too deep into things. No way Jones' lawyers would have let him go on otherwise.
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Friends over at Show Me Victories did some polling on the issue at hand
https://www.showmevictories.com/wp-cont ... 21_SMV.pdf
https://www.showmevictories.com/wp-cont ... 21_SMV.pdf
LOLClose to one-half of voters support an expansion team locating to St. Louis.
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NFL has successfully redirected the convo. nothing ever changes in STL, where sportsball and parking take precedent over everything.
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Don't worry, I'm sure the settlement will include a team to be located in St. Charles after the NFL appeals to the MOSC to move the trial out of STL.urban_dilettante wrote: ↑Nov 15, 2021NFL has successfully redirected the convo. nothing ever changes in STL, where sportsball and parking take precedent over everything.
^^ Successfully to what extent though? The lawyers representing the St. Louis side don’t seem to be angling for a team as settlement…but a jury trial. Local leaders seem to be content to let the case play out than advocating one way or the other. 56% of those in this poll want the case decided by a jury anyway.
It’s not really a surprise to me that a city known for having lots of sports fans might have a sizable minority welcome a team back. I’m with you tho, I don’t want one (and I don’t think there will be one).
Additionally, I wasn’t crazy about poll question 9 that framed one option as a “$1 billion settlement.” It could be more than that and I’d wager a few folks might jump off the expansion team wagon if you phrase that a bit differently.
It’s not really a surprise to me that a city known for having lots of sports fans might have a sizable minority welcome a team back. I’m with you tho, I don’t want one (and I don’t think there will be one).
Additionally, I wasn’t crazy about poll question 9 that framed one option as a “$1 billion settlement.” It could be more than that and I’d wager a few folks might jump off the expansion team wagon if you phrase that a bit differently.
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I believe any considerations for a future NFL franchise coming to STL as part of a settlement would be post-trial and post-verdict, that the League would proffer an expansion team in lieu of all-cash. It's just too early to think expansion, both as a negotiating factor and as something they'd offer as a settlement not based on a verdict. Just a thought.
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^^ just saying that at first social media/media was all "f*ck the NFL! no mercy!" and now 1/2+ of the coverage is "STL can get an expansion team! hooray!" or that's how it appears to me. i may be biased.
I know people that from day one that were hoping the Chargers would end up here in some way. We’ve been speculating about various scenarios like that since the Rams left essentially.
Anyway, I’m not upset about “sportsball and parking” just yet. I’ll hold out until after the trial before I get twisted up about things that haven’t happened yet.
Anyway, I’m not upset about “sportsball and parking” just yet. I’ll hold out until after the trial before I get twisted up about things that haven’t happened yet.
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^ guess i'm just used to getting twisted up over STL's bad parking and sportsball choices. lots of precedent.
^ And if they were announcing a stadium and an expansion team I might agree. But right now the STL lawyers have the NFL by the balls and are rolling into the trial that starts in January. Especially after a piss poor settlement offer by Kroenke.
Until then, I’m not getting worked up over things that aren’t happening.
Until then, I’m not getting worked up over things that aren’t happening.
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^ i'm only talking about public sentiment. hope the litigation stays the course and brings home billions. think of all the transit studies it'll fund! decades worth! 
<--- that's me trying to wink my right eye. i'm terrible at it. can only wink my left with any consistency.
<--- that's me trying to wink my right eye. i'm terrible at it. can only wink my left with any consistency.^ Well 78% of the respondents to that poll came from the County. Maybe things would have looked better for folks like us (that don’t want another team) if they’d have bothered to ask more than 8% of North St. Louis residents what they thought.
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^ agreed. and to be clear, i'm not opposed to an NFL team as long as it's completely privately funded and the stadium is built out in a field somewhere.
If the goal is to pole St Louis County and St Louis City evenly, 78% for the county (roughly 1 million) and 8% for North City is about the right number. I’m not sure what the North City population is but 8% would account for around 104,000 residents. This is based on rough numbers of a combined population of 1.3 million.
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Right there with ya. Hence my earlier suggestion at 70 and 170 along the Red Line that was promptly shot down by everybody here haha.urban_dilettante wrote: ↑Nov 16, 2021^ agreed. and to be clear, i'm not opposed to an NFL team as long as it's completely privately funded and the stadium is built out in a field somewhere.
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^^ 8% of N. City population is not even close to 104K. rough indeed.
urban_dilettante wrote:^^ 8% of N. City population is not even close to 104K. rough indeed.
I’m not quite sure where to go from here. Also, you might be joking and my multitasking caused me to not pick up on it. If that’s the case, I apologize. Regardless, 700 total people were poled out of the combined city/county population of “roughly” 1.3 million. 8% of the respondents were from North City. That would be 56 respondents. Considering North City makes up 78% of the respondents were from the county (546 respondents). Full disclosure, I believe that 700 respondents is a too small of a sample size for gauging a varied and nuanced population base like the city/county has.
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700 person sample poll for 1.3m is huge. We poll state and national elections and issues with 500-1200
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"Regardless, 700 total people were poled out of the combined city/county population of “roughly” 1.3 million. 8% of the respondents were from North City. That would be 56 respondents."
okay, that makes sense. previously you said: "I’m not sure what the North City population is but 8% would account for around 104,000 residents," which has a very different meaning.
Now what does this mean?
"Considering North City makes up 78% of the respondents were from the county (546 respondents)."
okay, that makes sense. previously you said: "I’m not sure what the North City population is but 8% would account for around 104,000 residents," which has a very different meaning.
Now what does this mean?
"Considering North City makes up 78% of the respondents were from the county (546 respondents)."