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PostSep 16, 2021#51

The FPSENA posted an updated version of the proposal in advance of a neighborhood meeting about the project: Lux Living Proposal

It looks like there are several changes:
  • Down to 144 units, from 177
  • More 1 bedroom, fewer studios, fewer 2 bedrooms
  • Site plan shrunk and is limited to the Kingshighway frontage building. It looks to me like it no longer includes the buildings stretching back on Arco and Oakland, and that the alley no longer moves
  • Stepdown from 6 floors on Kingshighway to 3 further into the neighborhood
  • Now with underground garage accessed from alley, rather than 1st floor garage accessed from Kingshighway
  • "Publicly available bistro space in lobby on first floor," not sure exactly what that means. Does not sound like a restaurant to me, but maybe just an area with tables, chairs? Also notes room for a fitness center, maybe planned for later
  • Outdoor courtyard facing Kingshighway
  • Pool area, amenity courtyard gone
  • No variances requested
  • No tax incentives being sought
  • Deed restriction against AirBnB (or similar). Maybe requested by Drury to avoid any competition if they want to make a play for a hotel on the wedge property next to I-64 down the road? I think the current proposal also leaves open the possibility of demolishing buildings east of the alley for an access road that could be used to access the wedge property from Oakland, which I think is what Drury had in mind, and the previous proposal seemed to kill

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PostSep 16, 2021#52

I think this is a huge improvement.  Underground garage and no Kingshighway curb-cut (I know imran will be thrilled ;)).  I'd also rather see the historic buildings on Arco and Oakland rehabbed instead of demolished.  And no incentives!

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PostSep 16, 2021#53

No tax incentives, music to my ears.

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PostSep 16, 2021#54

Nice, let's break ground already!

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PostSep 16, 2021#55

If you live in the neighborhood and attend the meeting on this, I'll be the one presenting and answering questions.

Regarding the bistro space, it will be similar to what the Chelsea has - so coffees, hot chocolate, bottles of water, soda, and beer, as well as small breakfast foods. This one should be a little bit bigger.

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PostSep 16, 2021#56

A few questions for you, Chris, if you can answer in advance of the meeting:

Are there amenity decks on the shorter sections of the building, or some kind of additional outdoor space? Hard to tell from the renderings in the FPSE packet, but that it how it looks to me with the railings.

Is Lux Living planning anything for the properties along Arco and Oakland that were part of the townhome-style development in the first renderings?

Is there a request to reopen Oakland at Kingshighway for entry/exit to the alley (I think it would be hard to do anything other than righthand turns with all the Kingshighway traffic and lack of a traffic signal here), or will all vehicular traffic use Oakland and Arco? Arco is currently only one-way (west), circling around to turn into Gibson to go east, while Oakland is two-way.

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PostSep 16, 2021#57

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A few questions for you, Chris, if you can answer in advance of the meeting:

Are there amenity decks on the shorter sections of the building, or some kind of additional outdoor space? Hard to tell from the renderings in the FPSE packet, but that it how it looks to me with the railings.

Is Lux Living planning anything for the properties along Arco and Oakland that were part of the townhome-style development in the first renderings?

Is there a request to reopen Oakland at Kingshighway for entry/exit to the alley (I think it would be hard to do anything other than righthand turns with all the Kingshighway traffic and lack of a traffic signal here), or will all vehicular traffic use Oakland and Arco? Arco is currently only one-way (west), circling around to turn into Gibson to go east, while Oakland is two-way.
On the amenity decks: The 2nd level will include the pool deck. The upper patio/deck will be another amenity for residents, but likely will be just a sundeck.

The properties on Arco and Oakland could be sold to people who would like to renovate them. The back portion was dropped because we didn't think it would receive a welcome reception since it would require the vacation of two alleys, and the demolition of other buildings back there, some of which are occupied. 

If neighbors are concerned about the garage entrance in the alley + potential traffic increase, then we can look into requesting the Oakland closure be pushed back to the alley and then closing the alley so building residents don't access the garage through the neighborhood. I have another plan showing the garage entrance on Oakland, but we believe that will require a variance, so we're not pursuing that unless we absolutely have to. The architect looked at the form based code and designed something that we all believe checks the boxes.

Another thing people don't realize is that the overall height of the building was reduced by a full floor. Original plans were 7 floors + mezzanine, this is 6 + mezzanine.

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PostSep 16, 2021#58

Thanks for the answers, Chris.

I think people will complain about traffic no matter what you do, it is a guarantee of any public meeting. Personally I am pretty agnostic on the idea of reopening Oakland (fully or partially), or just using the existing neighborhood roads, and I say that as some who lives on this block of Gibson and would see some of the extra traffic. It just doesn't seem like it would be a ton of traffic to me given the size of the building, but I haven't really thought about it a ton.

I liked the idea of adding some more density to Arco and Oakland with  the townhomes, but I think you are right that some neighbors would have been opposed, mainly to the demolition aspect, and the amount of units being added was really not dramatically more than what was feasible with the existing buildings.

Is the change from 7 to 6 floors due to dropping the parking underground, or did a floor of living space disappear?

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PostSep 16, 2021#59

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Thanks for the answers, Chris.

Is the change from 7 to 6 floors due to dropping the parking underground, or did a floor of living space disappear?
You're welcome.

Yes, the building lost a floor due to the parking going underground. Overall living space was reduced too due to the introduction of the steps. The old plans had the taller building at 165 apartments. New plans are 144.

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PostSep 17, 2021#60

The FPSE FBC has no parking min and a max of 1 per dwelling unit, so they're putting in the max.

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PostSep 19, 2021#61

Could not be built soon enough!

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PostSep 19, 2021#62

Demo permits issued for this. They'll go to CRO and perhaps the Preservation Board since they're in the FPSE Historic District.

PostSep 19, 2021#63

This is the second FPSE NA board member to write a critique of Lux Living. I'm curious to see how the meeting goes on Tuesday.

NextSTL - Opinion We Must Start Vetting Developers

https://nextstl.com/2021/09/opinion-we- ... evelopers/

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PostSep 19, 2021#64

quincunx wrote:
Sep 19, 2021
This is the second FPSE NA board member to write a critique of Lux Living. I'm curious to see how the meeting goes on Tuesday.

NextSTL - Opinion We Must Start Vetting Developers

https://nextstl.com/2021/09/opinion-we- ... evelopers/
To be clear, while this piece is critical of Lux Living,  it’s more of a desire to let people to know of the developer's background in the upfront... as it should be the case with any developer. If we want to have realistic engagement, then it's a worthwhile discussion.

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Demo permits issued for this. They'll go to CRO and perhaps the Preservation Board since they're in the FPSE Historic District.
Also, the Board believes this request is premature and we're writing to CRO and PB. We believe that permission to demo should not be granted until the community has had a chance to weigh in on this issue. We are asking if Lux Living's request can be scheduled for a date in November to allow the community engagement process to yield results. 

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PostSep 19, 2021#66

I look forward to the meetings, Dan, Brian and others on the board who are on this UrbanSTL. I think we can work together to do something right here and then I can relay that to the developer.

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PostSep 19, 2021#67

^ Feeling good about it. Will share a deck and such with you shortly.  :) 

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PostSep 20, 2021#68

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Sep 16, 2021
I think this is a huge improvement.  Underground garage and no Kingshighway curb-cut (I know imran will be thrilled ;)).  I'd also rather see the historic buildings on Arco and Oakland rehabbed instead of demolished.  And no incentives!
😜 happy to be known as the curb hugger - among other things.
I too would love to have seen the existing history re-framed for a new generation but it’s hard to deny that Lux Living ( despite all the pushback and valid criticism about boxy architecture) is hitting all the right notes for this site.

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PostSep 21, 2021#69

Apologies about the long post, but I have been thinking a lot about the the NextStl piece and have some some mixed feelings about it.

On the one hand, I am persuaded that Lux Living (and their other incarnations/names) at best have shady business practices, but may be violating their contracts/the law and hoping to keep a low enough profile to get away with it. I have never rented from them, but I had a friend who did years ago, and while she was moving out they actually rented her apartment to someone else despite her having rented it for that month and still having stuff in the apartment. It culminated in a very awkward interaction when she tried to open the door and found it chained from the inside by someone now living there. Not good! I don’t think we should take all the reviews on the apartment review websites as verified facts, but based on the anecdotal report of my friend, I have no trouble believing that their only goal in apartment management is maximizing profit at their tenants expense. I also think they have shown that they are willing to twist laws and customs to their benefit regardless of underlying principles. The reincorpration of the Commercial DeBaliviere Place Association to basically serve as a front to interfere with a competing development across the street, even if not illegal, is certainly unethical and against the spirit of the law.

What I have trouble with, though, is using the development process as an extra-judicial means to punish people/developers/corporations for prior actions and allegations (especially those not proven in a court of law) that are not directly related to the proposed development. It would be different if they were partnering with the city on some sort of public-private development, but this is an entirely privately-funded development. I may be dreaming here, but I think the city would be much better served by a predictable, rules-based development process where objective and public criteria advance are used to approve/deny developments. I think such a process would be less prone to abuse. If our current building codes, tenant rights, inspection protocol, etc are not sufficient, then we should get sympathetic aldermen to write legislation to address the concerns, not apply different ad hoc standards to some but not all developers.

LuxLiving is not requesting tax incentives for the FPSE property, but I agree that there should be some sort of clawback provision if the city provides tax incentives for a building that is then sold (or even rented) at a level that makes the financial need for the initial incentives questionable. If you think of tax incentives as the city's way of investing in the property, the city be able recoup more profit from the investment if it is more profitable than the numbers initially suggested. 

Starting on an area where I somewhat agree with the piece, the most concerning claim to me is that the buildings themselves might not be structurally sound. My friend actually lived in the building that had the partial collapse (though ~10 years ago). Based on their track record, I totally believe they defer maintenance to maximize short-term profits. I think they should be cited when they violate code, and prosecuted if someone is hurt as a result of their negligence, as any other property owner should be. As far as their new builds go, I think they should be required to be built to code, but other than that, I don't think there should be special requirements made of them specifically. The complaints cited by tenants in the article (ineffective soundproofing, shoddy cabinetry, single-paned leaky windows) seem like things that should be rectified at the city's direction if they are code violations, addressed by moving rent into escrow if they are lease violations, or left to the tenant to decide if the pros outweigh the cons of renting in the building when it is renewal time; hopefully bad reviews on apartment websites provide something for prospective renters to think about. The article states that "The city should not accept new apartments regardless of the quality." I agree, but would add that unless the city is providing financing/incentives, it should allow code-compliant buildings to be built. That the buildings are sometimes sold to outside investors does not strike me as a problem. If the investors overpay for the properties because they were not built to last despite them meeting the city's code specifications, it seems like a problem for the investors, and the city should require them to maintain the building to code but otherwise let them make their own investment decisions and do their own due diligence. The argument that they sometimes quickly sell their buildings also seems to undercut the argument that they are poor managers--if they don't manage their apartments well, they we are better served by them selling buildings to better managers. I don't think that it is terrible that "the City is also stuck with buildings owned and operated by out-of-state investors." We should want investment in our city, including out-of-state investment; this is different than a passive investor sitting on a crumbling building. Again, we should enforce the code, and adjust the code legally as needed, but not to punish out-of-state investors specifically, but to encourage property maintenance and public safety.
 
A number of complaints seemed like they should be adjudicated between the tenants, the management, and the private market, like " piles of trash in the hallways, ongoing security issues, tech problems with the electronic keys that leave residents locked out of their own home, heating/cooling issues, broken elevators, and pests like roaches and mice. Current and former residents lament that amenities boastfully advertised by Lux are often available only during the first few opening months, but become unavailable or are removed over time. Multiple reviews complain that the gyms often lack proper cleaning supplies, and the provided internet is undependable, often slow, but also mandatory to use." If there are areas where they are violating city laws/codes, then the city should enforce them, but I don't see a role for the development process in checking internet speeds or gym supplies. Maybe tenants need more/better tenant protections in city law? Random inspection of units by the city? Otherwise, I think it is an area where we can let current tenants decide if they are getting their money's worth, or not.

Some of the issues raised in the article I totally disagree with:
  • I found the AirBnB section distracting (and a moot point regarding the FPSE site as they are apparently deed-restricted, not sure if the same is true of the Optimist proposal). I am not opposed to AirBnB at all, and I would favor pretty broad latitude in letting people do what they want with apartments/condos they own, rent, or manage. I think we focus too much on controlling uses, which leads to a lot of weird incentives, convoluted zoning codes, and opportunities for entrenched interest to try and shape markets to their advantage, and instead we/the city should be more outcome-focused. If the choice to rent out units as AirBnB is causing a specific problem, then that problem should be dealt with the same way the city would deal with that problem from someone with a year-long lease or an owner-occupied property, otherwise let them be.
  • "[T]he City has not confirmed that they are even aware that these apartments are being used as de-facto hotels." I'm not sure how to interpret this sentence--is the claim that they are running AirBnBs but not paying the appropriate taxes on them, or that the author could not get confirmation of taxes paid from available city records? I thought AirBnB directly collected the city taxes and remitted them to the city, but I could be mistaken. If this is a problem, it seems like it ought to be addressed through city enforcement, not by banning AirBnBs.
  • "Parking becomes an issue as the building cannot accommodate the needs of Airbnb guests, then on-street parking becomes overwhelmed as well, affecting the surrounding neighborhood." I was surprised to see this on an urbanist blog! I would much rather see us remove parking minimums than require residences and businesses to provide parking above and beyond what they want to offer as a service rolled into the price. If someone wants to build a car-optional apartment building or hotel, and thinks the market will support them, I say let them.
I also think the "donations to politicians" part is a bit off the mark. Of course they donate to politicians they want to influence! Pretty much everyone who donates to a politician/party/cause does so because they want the recipient to agree with them, or they are highly confident the recipient already agrees with them and should be in a place of power to enact policies related to their area of agreement. I think the best way to combat the role of corporate/private donations from influencing city government/development decisions in city government is to have a rules-based approach that doesn't allow for vague things like character to be an important deciding factor. While I think there is plenty to suggest that Lux Living's character is poor, it is not always clear cut, and allowing non-germane factors to work themselves into the approval process seems more likely to grease the wheels of cronyism, pay-to-play, kickbacks, etc., than a process that is clearly laid out in advance and limited to objective criteria.

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PostSep 21, 2021#70

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Apologies about the long post, but I have been thinking a lot about the the NextStl piece and have some some mixed feelings about it.
Hi, author of the piece here. Thank you for engaging so thoughtfully with it, I really do appreciate the time you took to think about it so critically.
What I have trouble with, though, is using the development process as an extra-judicial means to punish people/developers/corporations for prior actions and allegations (especially those not proven in a court of law) that are not directly related to the proposed development. It would be different if they were partnering with the city on some sort of public-private development, but this is an entirely privately-funded development. I may be dreaming here, but I think the city would be much better served by a predictable, rules-based development process where objective and public criteria advance are used to approve/deny developments. I think such a process would be less prone to abuse. If our current building codes, tenant rights, inspection protocol, etc are not sufficient, then we should get sympathetic aldermen to write legislation to address the concerns, not apply different ad hoc standards to some but not all developers.
I absolutely agree with this paragraph, and have been a big advocate for a "predictable, rules-based development process where objective and public criteria advance are used to approve/deny developments." The current system is prone to abuse, but I believe it is more often abused by developers. A predictable, rules-based development process with meaningful community engagement would go a long way towards better development in the future. The other problem, of course, is that St. Louis has very weak mechanisms to enforce the current code, and the code itself is out of date. One reason for this has been developers who have used their influence and money to undercut the city's means of holding them accountable. Just ask our Neighborhood Improvement Specialist, and he can tell you that the issues with Lux Living/City Wide/Asprient are known. The city just doesn't have the means to keep up with the bad actors. Absent enforcement, residents should engage with the developments proposed in their neighborhoods to decide whether they want to invite a problem property manager to be their neighbor.
We should want investment in our city, including out-of-state investment; this is different than a passive investor sitting on a crumbling building. Again, we should enforce the code, and adjust the code legally as needed, but not to punish out-of-state investors specifically, but to encourage property maintenance and public safety.
I mentioned out-of-state investors because we have a lot of them in FPSE, doing exactly what you noted: sitting on crumbling buildings. Again, the code just isn't being enforced, and it's much harder to hold an LLC accountable.
Maybe tenants need more/better tenant protections in city law? Random inspection of units by the city? Otherwise, I think it is an area where we can let current tenants decide if they are getting their money's worth, or not.
Tenants absolutely need more/better protections in city law. I'm pushing my alderwoman to work with other city leaders and make it happen. But right now, tenants have pretty lousy protections, and letting the free market sort it out doesn't always work. I know of several tenants on Arco and Oakland who aren't able to get in touch with their new landlords about problems on the properties. Lux Living became their landlord in the spring after purchasing their properties from the Drury's, but then hid behind a deceptive LLC name, DD2. These tenants didn't get to choose.
RE: Airbnb's and parking
This piece was meant to be a fairly comprehensive overview of Lux Living and the things that people might want to know about them. When I submitted it, it wasn't known that the deed restricted AirBnb, otherwise I would not have included it. Many people would prefer not to live next to an AirBnb for a lot of reasons, so I thought people ought to at least know this was going on.
  • "[T]he City has not confirmed that they are even aware that these apartments are being used as de-facto hotels." I'm not sure how to interpret this sentence--is the claim that they are running AirBnBs but not paying the appropriate taxes on them, or that the author could not get confirmation of taxes paid from available city records? I thought AirBnB directly collected the city taxes and remitted them to the city, but I could be mistaken. If this is a problem, it seems like it ought to be addressed through city enforcement, not by banning AirBnBs.
The sentence should be interpreted to mean that the buildings are presented as residential, not commercial. They receive approval from neighborhoods and city, but then they are used in a different way. I think Lux Living should be up front with its intentions. Also, I'm not aware that AirBnb monitors the city's taxing policy and collects the taxes for them. I did get confirmation from city records that they were not taxing the properties as AirBnb's. I reached out for comment from the city and they simply confirmed that they weren't aware those were AirBnb's. Maybe I could have worded that better.
I was surprised to see this on an urbanist blog! I would much rather see us remove parking minimums than require residences and businesses to provide parking above and beyond what they want to offer as a service rolled into the price. If someone wants to build a car-optional apartment building or hotel, and thinks the market will support them, I say let them.
Forest Park Southeast Form-Based Code actually has a parking maximum, which is good. Again, I mentioned parking because it is an issue on those blocks, and some people might care. And also, AirBnb shouldn't be an issue here, so the point is sort of moot.
I also think the "donations to politicians" part is a bit off the mark. Of course they donate to politicians they want to influence! Pretty much everyone who donates to a politician/party/cause does so because they want the recipient to agree with them, or they are highly confident the recipient already agrees with them and should be in a place of power to enact policies related to their area of agreement. I think the best way to combat the role of corporate/private donations from influencing city government/development decisions in city government is to have a rules-based approach that doesn't allow for vague things like character to be an important deciding factor. While I think there is plenty to suggest that Lux Living's character is poor, it is not always clear cut, and allowing non-germane factors to work themselves into the approval process seems more likely to grease the wheels of cronyism, pay-to-play, kickbacks, etc., than a process that is clearly laid out in advance and limited to objective criteria.
The donations bit was there to let people know which politicians were getting their money so that we can keep an eye on how those politicians act. Jack Coatar in particular has turned a blind eye to the issues with Lux Living, to the detriment of his constituents.  It's germane to the discussion because some politicians benefit financially when they help Lux Living, then don't recuse themselves as would be appropriate from the decisions concerning Lux.

Again, thank you for thinking through the piece. I'm glad you read it and engaged with it. We aren't going to agree on everything, but we share a goal in having a fair, informative, predictable process to approve/deny developments.  It would help root out bad actors, who I believe the city should not be dealing with. At the very least, I hope this means an end to tax-incentives, but I also care about tenant experience and the out-sized effect buildings have on the environment around us. As the piece addresses, there are some really good developers. For them, a good development process should be a boon.

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PostOct 01, 2021#71

Thanks for the reply Michael, I appreciate it. I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on a lot of the issues (e.g., AirBnB regulation, parking provisions, etc.) I hope that the city can develop a better development process that can promote high-quality development, and I hope elected officials are working on this. I know it was something Roddy was working on, especially regarding a way to bring predictability to the tax incentive process, but I don’t know who is currently making it a priority, and my conversations with the alderwoman have not given me the sense it is a priority of hers. Hopefully someone is working on a city-wide process that can get broad buy-in that residents, developers, and elected officials can get onboard with.
 
I think there are ways to make the development process worse. I think having a lot of the power devolved to the individual alderman and neighborhood creates some perverse incentives. A lot of desirable development results in highly localized cons (parking, traffic, construction noise, blocked views, depending on your perspective loss of “neighborhood character,” etc.) but city-wide benefits (tax base, public transit users, efficient infrastructure use, etc). Local pushback can lead to smaller buildings with more parking, which I think is counterproductive long term from both an urbanism perspective and a housing affordability perspective in highly desirable neighborhoods. I also think it makes the process more vulnerable to corruption because standards are not consistent and it is harder to tell when they are being circumvented, who the alderman is listening to, whose interests individual neighborhood groups are representing (e.g., the Tiffany neighborhood organization and QuikTrip, Park Central, various Hubbard shenanigans, I’m sure people can find examples from any neighborhood in the city). A development agency relatively insulated from political interference charged with enforcing general rules/codes seems the best to me, but I am open to other models. I think developers would also appreciate a process where they know upfront what is expected (though there is probably some firms benefit from a more convoluted process that they know how to manage, while smaller/newer/less politically connected developers can’t navigate the process as well).
 
I am pretty persuaded that Lux Living is a shady company, based on both reports from people I personally know/trust, and the preponderance of the evidence. I am unsure how to translate that level of evidence to the development process. To my knowledge they have not been convicted of anything and I think a process where a development can be stopped due to allegations, even allegations that I personally believe, will be prone to abuse. Based on their track record, I think Lux Living itself would certainly work to use such a process against a competitor, ginning up fake or trumped-up complaints to gum up the gears of a competing development.

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Anyone make it to the public meeting?

Many of the comments were about parking, which I personally am not super sympathetic to. I think permit parking is warranted on streets without alley access, and I would liberalize the rules for handicap placards a bit, but otherwise I think street parking should be available for anyone, whether that is owners of the houses on the street, renters, visitors to either of the above, patrons of the business district, randos, etc. We were a city of 900,000 people in an age with much lower car ownership. We are not going to get back to that density without parking getting much less convenient, unless we stick with parking minimums, which drive up development costs. Getting people to accept that convenient, free parking is not guaranteed is one of the few ways to promote people choosing public transit over cars, especially in a neighborhood like FPSE that has decent transit infrastructure already.

I do wonder if there is a cheap way to add more parking to address some neighbor concerns by adding angled parking to one side of Arco and Gibson, both of which are wide, one-way streets. Any traffic engineers able to answer that? I think parking supply and demand are probably pretty tightly linked and any extra parking spots will get snapped up, just throwing the idea out there.
 
There were also some calls to shrink the building more, with some people asking for something more in the three-story range. I don't know how the economics work, but I think that would be a suboptimal use of the land. The neighborhood is seeing a lot of infill but is pretty geographically restricted, and I think would benefit from densification given its MetroLink proximity, near a major regional employer, multiple entertainment districts, etc. We're not going to be able to reach historic density without these bigger buildings--people today expect more living space, household size is smaller, etc. One of the good things about the Form-Based Code (a multi-year process with a lot of neighborhood involvement) is setting these expectations about what size development is appropriate for which sites, and it seems pretty appropriate to me (though I would pretty much never prevent someone from building a larger building with less parking anywhere in the city!).

I did not realize that the bistro area was planned to be open to non-residents. I wonder if Lux Living would be willing to make any of their other amenities available to non-residents? I saw some hotels sell time-limited passes to their pools and other amenities. It might be more complicated to do in an apartment complex, but it would be interesting to see a trial program.

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PostOct 10, 2021#73

Second meeting scheduled for Oct 19th at 630pm
http://www.forestparksoutheast.com/fpse ... meeting-2/

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PostOct 10, 2021#74

^ Thanks for sharing. Contents of the meeting may change, pending attendees.

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PostOct 19, 2021#75

Second meeting tonight, 6:30, at Hot Java. Zoom link here.

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