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Ald Tyus filed a bill to make installing speed humps not go through the City of St. Louis Traffic Calming Policy

SECTION TWO. Sections two of Ordinance 70333 commonly known as the Traffic Calming 6 Policy is hereby amended so as to read: All requests for Traffic Calming, and related traffic complaints, except those related to or requesting speed humps in residential alleys, or on residential or secondary streets that are not bus routes, received by the City of St. Louis, shall be addressed and managed in accordance with a centralized process to be known as the City of St. Louis Traffic Calming Policy.
Request by Aldermen for speed humps in residential alleys or on residential or secondary streets that are not bus routes, upon the passage of an ordinance authorizing speed humps in a residential alley or on a specific street and, shall be granted by the Board of Public Service. 

https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/c ... BBId=13828

^I'm guessing this is to ease the process?

So will the city install the speed bumps? Specially downtown? Any news from the admin?


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JJ Rivera wrote: ↑

Aug 25, 2021

So will the city install the speed bumps? Specially  downtown? Any news from the admin?



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Speed bumps are usually installed in residential neighborhoods and on non snow routes (tho the city has piloted some on snow routes) the process is the alderman has to
Request a study and 4-6 weeks later theyll get a report if that road is a good candidate

Which downtown roads would you propose a speed bump (hint there are no viable candidates where speeding is an issue)

Downtown doesn't really need speed humps IMO.  They need to put in two way streets, bollard-ed bike lanes (or sidewalks where they don't have bike lanes) and implement road diets in many spots (Tucker, Broadway, Market, Olive, for starters, though that Olive one would be a real kick in the teeth for all the building waste in the 20's).  Make streets feel more narrow and drivers should go slower.

Hell, the utility construction and recessed manhole covers are already speed bumps in it of themselves.

bwcrow1s wrote:Downtown doesn't really need speed humps IMO.  They need to put in two way streets, bollard-ed bike lanes (or sidewalks where they don't have bike lanes) and implement road diets in many spots (Tucker, Broadway, Market, Olive, for starters, though that Olive one would be a real kick in the teeth for all the building waste in the 20's).  Make streets feel more narrow and drivers should go slower.

Hell, the utility construction and recessed manhole covers are already speed bumps in it of themselves.

I mentioned speed bumps because they are cheaper! I do agree with you we need a lot of road diets ASAP but I doubt the city will invest in that right now. Even Downtown Chicago has some speed hump/ cross walks on some streets. Leadership needs to get the stuff together and invest in DT and Central Corridor to create city investments that can afford all the stuff they want to do in certain areas. Can’t do much without city revenue.


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Aug 25, 2021

Downtown doesn't really need speed humps IMO.  They need to put in two way streets, bollard-ed bike lanes (or sidewalks where they don't have bike lanes) and implement road diets in many spots (Tucker, Broadway, Market, Olive, for starters, though that Olive one would be a real kick in the teeth for all the building waste in the 20's).  Make streets feel more narrow and drivers should go slower.

Hell, the utility construction and recessed manhole covers are already speed bumps in it of themselves.

2-way streets downtown would be so great.

Also raised crosswalks would do a lot for the pedestrian experience while not strictly a speed bumb, but partially functioning as one.

_nomad_ wrote:

bwcrow1s wrote: ↑

Aug 25, 2021

Downtown doesn't really need speed humps IMO.  They need to put in two way streets, bollard-ed bike lanes (or sidewalks where they don't have bike lanes) and implement road diets in many spots (Tucker, Broadway, Market, Olive, for starters, though that Olive one would be a real kick in the teeth for all the building waste in the 20's).  Make streets feel more narrow and drivers should go slower.

Hell, the utility construction and recessed manhole covers are already speed bumps in it of themselves.

2-way streets downtown would be so great.

Also raised crosswalks would do a lot for the pedestrian experience while not strictly a speed bumb, but partially functioning as one.

I wish the city would do this!! Its not that expensive of project and will bring more people to the DT area! I’ve notice that for some reason most STL area are not as risk takers and progressives. Not politically but infrastructure and economic wise.


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JJ Rivera wrote: ↑

Aug 25, 2021

_nomad_ wrote:

bwcrow1s wrote: ↑

Aug 25, 2021

Downtown doesn't really need speed humps IMO.  They need to put in two way streets, bollard-ed bike lanes (or sidewalks where they don't have bike lanes) and implement road diets in many spots (Tucker, Broadway, Market, Olive, for starters, though that Olive one would be a real kick in the teeth for all the building waste in the 20's).  Make streets feel more narrow and drivers should go slower.

Hell, the utility construction and recessed manhole covers are already speed bumps in it of themselves.

2-way streets downtown would be so great.

Also raised crosswalks would do a lot for the pedestrian experience while not strictly a speed bumb, but partially functioning as one.

I wish the city would do this!! Its not that expensive of project and will bring more people to the DT area! I’ve notice that for some reason most STL area are not as risk takers and progressives. Not politically but infrastructure and economic wise.


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You haven't been here long, right? If you start putting too many barriers (having to walk two blocks from your car, slowing your vehicle down temporarily, taking away a driving lane, etc.), people will just stick with Chili's in St. Peters for dinner.  Incredible hearing some of the complaints on Hampton so far.  Take a side street.

bwcrow1s wrote:

JJ Rivera wrote: ↑

Aug 25, 2021

_nomad_ wrote: 2-way streets downtown would be so great.

Also raised crosswalks would do a lot for the pedestrian experience while not strictly a speed bumb, but partially functioning as one.

I wish the city would do this!! Its not that expensive of project and will bring more people to the DT area! I’ve notice that for some reason most STL area are not as risk takers and progressives. Not politically but infrastructure and economic wise.


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You haven't been here long, right? If you start putting too many barriers (having to walk two blocks from your car, slowing your vehicle down temporarily, taking away a driving lane, etc.), people will just stick with Chili's in St. Peters for dinner.  Incredible hearing some of the complaints on Hampton so far.  Take a side street.

Either people learn or we make change!! Who ever goes to the burbs for a Chili’s never had or the will to come to a local restaurant DT.

Us as a society and leadership need to push the change! I am new the area but still… If we don’t do anything about it DT will continue to deteriorate.

I still can’t believe that DT Residents don’t unite and mandate certain changes. I’m not used to a DT community be this sleepy. I’ve read and heard many great ideas and a lots of things that any other cities will adopt but here it just dies in a forum. I don’t see that progressive push here in DT STL….


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bwcrow1s wrote: ↑

Aug 26, 2021

You haven't been here long, right? If you start putting too many barriers (having to walk two blocks from your car, slowing your vehicle down temporarily, taking away a driving lane, etc.), people will just stick with Chili's in St. Peters for dinner.  Incredible hearing some of the complaints on Hampton so far.  Take a side street.

You should know better, right? If you start letting people feel more safe and comfortable while walking along and crossing downtown streets, people might just come downtown for CityMuseum, decide that a walk over to Bailey's Range sounds like a nice experience, enjoy being downtown so they go to Hair Of The Dog for a beer and to catch the rest of the Blues game. The whole night might be so pleasant that they do it again two weeks later. Incredible seeing the transformation of South Grand so far. Get out of your car and walk. 

JJ Rivera wrote: ↑

Aug 26, 2021

bwcrow1s wrote:

JJ Rivera wrote: ↑

Aug 25, 2021

I wish the city would do this!! Its not that expensive of project and will bring more people to the DT area! I’ve notice that for some reason most STL area are not as risk takers and progressives. Not politically but infrastructure and economic wise.


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You haven't been here long, right? If you start putting too many barriers (having to walk two blocks from your car, slowing your vehicle down temporarily, taking away a driving lane, etc.), people will just stick with Chili's in St. Peters for dinner.  Incredible hearing some of the complaints on Hampton so far.  Take a side street.

Either people learn or we make change!! Who ever goes to the burbs for a Chili’s never had or the will to come to a local restaurant DT.

Us as a society and leadership need to push the change! I am new the area but still… If we don’t do anything about it DT will continue to deteriorate.

I still can’t believe that DT Residents don’t unite and mandate certain changes. I’m not used to a DT community be this sleepy. I’ve read and heard many great ideas and a lots of things that any other cities will adopt but here it just dies in a forum. I don’t see that progressive push here in DT STL….


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Sorry, I let the cynic in me get the best.  I've probably become quite jaded the last five years when it comes to proposals, studies, ***** dollars blown on plans that just end up collecting dust somewhere.

The plan you're looking for that was probably obsessed over by a team for months, has gone nowhere, to my understanding.  It's all been written down.  Hundreds of millions in stimulus funds, and how much is going to go toward it while we bicker over nickles and dimes.  https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... -study.cfm

Sounds like they're wildly popular in Detroit.

DETROIT ADDS 700 ADDITIONAL SPEED HUMPS TO 2021 PROGRAM TO HELP MAKE MORE STREETS SAFER

https://detroitmi.gov/news/detroit-adds ... eets-safer

The Detroit News - Detroit putting the brakes on more drivers with speed humps

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 118811276/

quincunx wrote:Sounds like they're wildly popular in Detroit.

DETROIT ADDS 700 ADDITIONAL SPEED HUMPS TO 2021 PROGRAM TO HELP MAKE MORE STREETS SAFER

https://detroitmi.gov/news/detroit-adds ... eets-safer

The Detroit News - Detroit putting the brakes on more drivers with speed humps

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 118811276/

Also Chicago’s Pedestrian Plan - Tools.

But somehow STL is super special that nothing works for them (us).

https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam/cit ... sGuide.pdf


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JJ Rivera wrote: ↑

Aug 26, 2021

I still can’t believe that DT Residents don’t unite and mandate certain changes. I’m not used to a DT community be this sleepy. I’ve read and heard many great ideas and a lots of things that any other cities will adopt but here it just dies in a forum. I don’t see that progressive push here in DT STL….

Ex-DT resident here.  I personally gave up b/c I started to see the bigger picture as more of a rigged game as long as the city/county divide existed.  I'd still love to buy downtown and have the means to buy a really nice place.  But as long as what's been going on down there continues to go on down there, and the city is undermined by the county, I'll continue to rent "OnTheEdge" of the county at least for the near future.

Honestly, probably my biggest issue with living in the city now is the police.  I'm wary of them.  Give me a unified regional police force and I'll strongly consider buying downtown and putting some skin back in the game.

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Sep 16, 2021

quincunx wrote:Sounds like they're wildly popular in Detroit.

DETROIT ADDS 700 ADDITIONAL SPEED HUMPS TO 2021 PROGRAM TO HELP MAKE MORE STREETS SAFER

https://detroitmi.gov/news/detroit-adds ... eets-safer

The Detroit News - Detroit putting the brakes on more drivers with speed humps

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 118811276/

Also Chicago’s Pedestrian Plan - Tools.

But somehow STL is super special that nothing works for them (us).

https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam/cit ... sGuide.pdf


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https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... Report.pdf

dbInSouthCity wrote:

JJ Rivera wrote: ↑

Sep 16, 2021

quincunx wrote:Sounds like they're wildly popular in Detroit.

DETROIT ADDS 700 ADDITIONAL SPEED HUMPS TO 2021 PROGRAM TO HELP MAKE MORE STREETS SAFER

https://detroitmi.gov/news/detroit-adds ... eets-safer

The Detroit News - Detroit putting the brakes on more drivers with speed humps

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 118811276/

Also Chicago’s Pedestrian Plan - Tools.

But somehow STL is super special that nothing works for them (us).

https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam/cit ... sGuide.pdf


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https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... Report.pdf

Just read some of the info… Sounds nice! But when is it going to take place? This was presented in December 2018. Again! I know the Tucker Bike lanes and stuff won’t start until 2023 which makes no sense. Some of the lighting has been there for a few years by STLU!

Knowing we’re getting millions of dollars in infrastructure why not present most if not all with estimates of starting-completion.

I know a city that created a team for the infrastructure money and even though money is not available yet once it get there they can jump and be ahead of other cities.

I don’t know but you can tell me if there’s such a team! I saw the safety (violence) downtown team from the other day. But what about the infrastructure one? I want to see propaganda if you want to call it that all over the future projects and plans. So people can start talking about it and if they don’t get done make the politicians accountable.


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It’s a 10 year plan

Despite the title it's mainly Goodfellow in the city.

KSDK - Residents call for changes along dangerous roads in north St. Louis County

 Residents say for years now, traffic along Goodfellow in north city and Halls Ferry Circle in north St Louis County has taken a dangerous turn.

"Overnight, morning, noon and night it's life-threatening. It's not safe especially for pedestrians to cross the street," said Keith Crawford, the Chair of the Goodfellow Traffic Committee.
"People constantly going around cars and speeding. Yes, it's scary," said long-time city resident Lola Gunn.
Gunn says speeding drivers have lost control and slammed into her home near Goodfellow and Lalite.
"It was hit four times in just six months. My family and I are petrified now. We no longer sit on one side of our porch," said Gunn.

https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local ... 5677a3ac72

Anyone have any insight into the new director of streets? Betherny Williams, a former MoDOT official: St. Louis mayor names MoDOT official as streets director

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Sep 27, 2021

Anyone have any insight into the new director of streets? Betherny Williams, a former MoDOT official: St. Louis mayor names MoDOT official as streets director

She’s a civil engineer, been at MoDOT I think her entire professional career with the last title as Area Liaison for north county, basically that position is MoDOT’s main person for that area. There is one for the city, one for st.charles, one for Franklin/Jefferson, 1 for SW county and 1 for north county. Generally the position is called Area Engineer but you cannot call your self an engineer without a PE, so she went by Area Liaison.

Any idea what her priorities or values might be. The city has made some moves towards a more bicycle/pedestrian-friendly framework, and I am wondering if a hire from MoDOT might represent a more car-friendly approach, or if she has a reputation that might buck that surface-level association.

Looks expensive, but might be worth it

^ i daydream about this constantly. time to get tough on drivers.