For reference, the map below shows all of the parcels (in orange) currently (or mostly currently) owned by the Steelcote developer. Blue parcels are owned by SLU/SSM. White parcels are owned by others.
Wood framing has started on the Mill Creek Flats. With the steel frame and parking garage in place, you can now get a feel for just how huge this building will be. The transformation can also already be felt. Can't wait for this building to be finished. Will really make the area stand out a bit.
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3rd floor being framed. This is now starting to be visible from Grand.
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Steelcote Phase 4 brings development up to Grand.
Do know that these plans aren't finalized, so some things will change before work starts.
Pier Property Group is proposing a multi-story building at 900-08 South Grand, 3541-67 Papin, & 3534 Gratiot. Plans call for 196 market-rate apartments, 65,000sf of retail for a (let the speculation begin), 249 structured spaces (in a below-grade parking garage accessed from Gratiot), 141 surface spaces (with south lot acting as a placeholder for future development), and a reconnection of Papin to Grand. The project will see SLU's two green parcels along Grand built on. Arcturis is the architect on the project.
According to the City Plan Commission, Ace Sales and Rental on Gratiot should vacate their space in September. From my interactions with him, the developer hopes to start construction sometime this Fall. Speaking of the Plan Commission, this project goes before it this week to merge the four parcels and to rezone them to Type H, Area Commercial.
Unfortunately, no good renderings are available yet and it's hard to see what the facade materials will be, but I image it will be metal panel and glass. The wall along Grand is blank, but from the site plan, it seems like it will be covered with some landscaping. With this being the retail space level, I imagine that will either be back of house or something else. But, since plans aren't 100% finished yet, I can't be sure if the wall will remain blank.
Lastly, with Pier owning several other parcels in this developing neighborhood, this will not be the last phase of development here. By my count, they could be two or three more buildings on there parcels they own depending on the size of the buildings they go with. I also imagine that efforts will be made to acquire some other parcels to further clean the area up.
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Do know that these plans aren't finalized, so some things will change before work starts.
Pier Property Group is proposing a multi-story building at 900-08 South Grand, 3541-67 Papin, & 3534 Gratiot. Plans call for 196 market-rate apartments, 65,000sf of retail for a (let the speculation begin), 249 structured spaces (in a below-grade parking garage accessed from Gratiot), 141 surface spaces (with south lot acting as a placeholder for future development), and a reconnection of Papin to Grand. The project will see SLU's two green parcels along Grand built on. Arcturis is the architect on the project.
According to the City Plan Commission, Ace Sales and Rental on Gratiot should vacate their space in September. From my interactions with him, the developer hopes to start construction sometime this Fall. Speaking of the Plan Commission, this project goes before it this week to merge the four parcels and to rezone them to Type H, Area Commercial.
Unfortunately, no good renderings are available yet and it's hard to see what the facade materials will be, but I image it will be metal panel and glass. The wall along Grand is blank, but from the site plan, it seems like it will be covered with some landscaping. With this being the retail space level, I imagine that will either be back of house or something else. But, since plans aren't 100% finished yet, I can't be sure if the wall will remain blank.
Lastly, with Pier owning several other parcels in this developing neighborhood, this will not be the last phase of development here. By my count, they could be two or three more buildings on there parcels they own depending on the size of the buildings they go with. I also imagine that efforts will be made to acquire some other parcels to further clean the area up.
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Having development up to Grand, both here and at Armory, would dramatically change the feel of the area. I can't wait to see it underway.
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Looks like an awesome project. Do I spy Papin connecting to Grand in that rendering? That'd be a great improvement.
The ability of Pier to get things done across the street from two massive empty lots owned by SLU should be embarrassing for SLU.
The ability of Pier to get things done across the street from two massive empty lots owned by SLU should be embarrassing for SLU.
It would be nice if there were a stair connecting Gratiot to Grand to cut a block off the walk from these Steelcote buildings to points north (mainly thinking metrolink and SLU). It might not seem like much, but if you're walking it everyday, shortcuts like that makes a place more livable and pedestrian-friendly in my opinion.
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Ideally that Captain D's will eventually be bought out and then they can use the surface lot and the Captain D's lot to build something prominent on that corner.
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I wouldn't hold your breath. That Captain D's makes loads of money. I imagine they are going to hold out for quite a while.
I think there is one. Not quite at the corner of Grand and Gratiot, but fairly close:_nomad_ wrote: ↑Aug 16, 2021It would be nice if there were a stair connecting Gratiot to Grand to cut a block off the walk from these Steelcote buildings to points north (mainly thinking metrolink and SLU). It might not seem like much, but if you're walking it everyday, shortcuts like that makes a place more livable and pedestrian-friendly in my opinion.
Totally. I love how they've been able to just "get sh*t done" and really follow through on vision for building a new micro neighborhood from the ground up.mjbais1489 wrote: ↑Aug 16, 2021Looks like an awesome project. Do I spy Papin connecting to Grand in that rendering? That'd be a great improvement.
The ability of Pier to get things done across the street from two massive empty lots owned by SLU should be embarrassing for SLU.
Thanks, I completely missed that. I was imagining something in line with the Gratiot sidewalk, but I think you're right it's close enough.sc4mayor wrote: ↑Aug 16, 2021I think there is one. Not quite at the corner of Grand and Gratiot, but fairly close:_nomad_ wrote: ↑Aug 16, 2021It would be nice if there were a stair connecting Gratiot to Grand to cut a block off the walk from these Steelcote buildings to points north (mainly thinking metrolink and SLU). It might not seem like much, but if you're walking it everyday, shortcuts like that makes a place more livable and pedestrian-friendly in my opinion.
Nice to see them moving relatively quickly with this project/area. The quicker they can build density the better.
Don't forget that Iron Hill will be returning, but under a new developer and new plan. So a good chunk of this stretch of Grand will eventually be developed and connected by the Brickline (Chouteau) Greenway and a spur.KansasCitian wrote: ↑Aug 16, 2021Having development up to Grand, both here and at Armory, would dramatically change the feel of the area. I can't wait to see it underway.
Also, the Papin Street extension to Grand will eventually meet up to a further extension (to Spring through Iron Hill). I believe that this intersection will get a signal in the future and be in-sync with Chouteau/Grand for the convenience of both drivers and pedestrians. But that is still several years off.
So with the latest announcement, Steelcote Square comes together a bit more...
- All current phases total approximately 350 apartments.
- 10,000sf of retail space going in at Mill Creek Flats.
- A micro-brewery/distillery/restaurant at Steelcote Crossing.
- 65,000sf anchor retail tenant at Phase 4.
- A TopGolf (or similar) east of Steelcote Lofts and Crossing.
- Power lines will continue to be buried with each additional phase.
- New sidewalks and street lights.
- And, perhaps the one thing that irks some people, is that there will be plenty of parking for both visitors, residents, and workers.
Yes. I've been told that the Captain D's and Rally's are the two Metro Area locations making the most money of all the locations, which surprises me. Granted that bit of information came before the pandemic. With that said, I was told that Pier once approached those places to buy them and they wanted such an ungodly amount of money that it made no economic sense to buy the land. For now though, Pier has enough land to do big things on but I expect they'll pick up a few more parcels before development in the area is complete.KansasCitian wrote: ↑Aug 16, 2021I wouldn't hold your breath. That Captain D's makes loads of money. I imagine they are going to hold out for quite a while.
Thanks Chris for the posts.chriss752 wrote: ↑Aug 16, 2021Don't forget that Iron Hill will be returning, but under a new developer and new plan. So a good chunk of this stretch of Grand will eventually be developed and connected by the Brickline (Chouteau) Greenway and a spur.KansasCitian wrote: ↑Aug 16, 2021Having development up to Grand, both here and at Armory, would dramatically change the feel of the area. I can't wait to see it underway.
Also, the Papin Street extension to Grand will eventually meet up to a further extension (to Spring through Iron Hill). I believe that this intersection will get a signal in the future and be in-sync with Chouteau/Grand for the convenience of both drivers and pedestrians. But that is still several years off.
So from what I understand the next developer of the Iron Hill site might or will embrace connectivity & add to the street grid by extending Papin Street. Nice to hear if it can come together as such.
Just got confirmation from the developer that there will be a stair that goes down to Gratiot. It’s to aid residents to get up to Grand and the store. The entire frontage on Papin will be the retail space. Residents will access the apartments from the parking garage on Gratiot. A small lobby will also be down there.
From what I know, yes. Connectivity will be embraced at Iron Hill. It sort of was in the previous plans, but only on the East-West axis. It’s likely to be the same case the next time around due to the site elevation change to Gratiot.dredger wrote:Thanks Chris for the posts.chriss752 wrote: ↑Aug 16, 2021Don't forget that Iron Hill will be returning, but under a new developer and new plan. So a good chunk of this stretch of Grand will eventually be developed and connected by the Brickline (Chouteau) Greenway and a spur.KansasCitian wrote: ↑Aug 16, 2021Having development up to Grand, both here and at Armory, would dramatically change the feel of the area. I can't wait to see it underway.
Also, the Papin Street extension to Grand will eventually meet up to a further extension (to Spring through Iron Hill). I believe that this intersection will get a signal in the future and be in-sync with Chouteau/Grand for the convenience of both drivers and pedestrians. But that is still several years off.
So from what I understand the next developer of the Iron Hill site might or will embrace connectivity & add to the street grid by extending Papin Street. Nice to hear if it can come together as such.
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I’ve always wondered in situations like this, why doesn’t the developer offer to build out retail space for said business and offer them a favorable lease/partnership in order to further development of prime property. It would seem like a no brainer. The restaurant operated gets fancy new digs and the property developer gets a fancy new project.chriss752 wrote:Yes. I've been told that the Captain D's and Rally's are the two Metro Area locations making the most money of all the locations, which surprises me. Granted that bit of information came before the pandemic. With that said, I was told that Pier once approached those places to buy them and they wanted such an ungodly amount of money that it made no economic sense to buy the land. For now though, Pier has enough land to do big things on but I expect they'll pick up a few more parcels before development in the area is complete.KansasCitian wrote: ↑Aug 16, 2021I wouldn't hold your breath. That Captain D's makes loads of money. I imagine they are going to hold out for quite a while.
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Really awesome to see continued development... any ballpark on the groundbreaking of this project?
Because they expect to be compensated for both the value of their property and the value of their current business operation. Your proposal would at best cover the latter, and that assumes that a new development could even accommodate the requisite drive-thru.FrankRider wrote: ↑Aug 16, 2021I’ve always wondered in situations like this, why doesn’t the developer offer to build out retail space for said business and offer them a favorable lease/partnership in order to further development of prime property. It would seem like a no brainer. The restaurant operated gets fancy new digs and the property developer gets a fancy new project.chriss752 wrote:Yes. I've been told that the Captain D's and Rally's are the two Metro Area locations making the most money of all the locations, which surprises me. Granted that bit of information came before the pandemic. With that said, I was told that Pier once approached those places to buy them and they wanted such an ungodly amount of money that it made no economic sense to buy the land. For now though, Pier has enough land to do big things on but I expect they'll pick up a few more parcels before development in the area is complete.KansasCitian wrote: ↑Aug 16, 2021I wouldn't hold your breath. That Captain D's makes loads of money. I imagine they are going to hold out for quite a while.
In addition, it neglects the negative impact that businesses such as Rally's and/or Captain D's would have on the ROI of the rest of the development. Who would want to live above that nastiness? Or, have a quality retail space next to it, for that matter?
I appreciate that they have at least considered it, but this is exactly how not to accomplish a pedestrian connection between the Grand viaduct and Gratiot.sc4mayor wrote: ↑Aug 16, 2021I think there is one. Not quite at the corner of Grand and Gratiot, but fairly close:_nomad_ wrote: ↑Aug 16, 2021It would be nice if there were a stair connecting Gratiot to Grand to cut a block off the walk from these Steelcote buildings to points north (mainly thinking metrolink and SLU). It might not seem like much, but if you're walking it everyday, shortcuts like that makes a place more livable and pedestrian-friendly in my opinion.
An isolated stairway between two solid walls in this neighborhood is a guaranteed repository for many things you don't want to encounter as a pedestrian.