Are we all looking at the same rendering? There is plenty of trees. Do you want trees in the middle of that intersection? Also this is a rendering, the point is to show off a clearest possible view of the building.
I won't hold my breath, but maybe we'll end up getting something a little flashier for the Queeny replacement tower...
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Won’t be any flashier then the 2 recent towers on the other end
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Way better than the massing study portended. Still, the elimination / lack of street level engagement is disappointing.
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She looks great. Sounds like they'll be giving absolutely best-in-class service to those going through chemotherapy.
Looking forward to full construction starting this year.
Curious if BJC's relationship with Perkins Elmer & Lawrence Group on this project could indicate that they're also working on the Queeny Tower replacement. Pure speculation, but it seems logical.
Looking forward to full construction starting this year.
Curious if BJC's relationship with Perkins Elmer & Lawrence Group on this project could indicate that they're also working on the Queeny Tower replacement. Pure speculation, but it seems logical.
Before we get too deep into a design critique, note the blurb under the rendering:
"An artist’s rendering of a possible exterior design of a planned nine-story, 659,000-square-foot facility for Siteman Cancer Center on the Washington University Medical Campus in the Central West End."
"An artist’s rendering of a possible exterior design of a planned nine-story, 659,000-square-foot facility for Siteman Cancer Center on the Washington University Medical Campus in the Central West End."
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Good catch. Hopefully something similar - nay, better - rises.
If I must.dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑Jul 30, 2021Are we all looking at the same rendering? There is plenty of trees. Do you want trees in the middle of that intersection? Also this is a rendering, the point is to show off a clearest possible view of the building.
I scribbled arrows to draw your attention to the sidewalk in question. Does that look like the middle of the intersection to you?
And renderings can be drawn from any number of viewpoints including one that would show the building and the trees.
You apparently have more faith than I do in the institution types….
At the very least, they do seem to have a newfound affinity for firms founded by Perkinses.gone corporate wrote: ↑Jul 30, 2021Curious if BJC's relationship with Perkins Elmer & Lawrence Group on this project could indicate that they're also working on the Queeny Tower replacement. Pure speculation, but it seems logical.
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This is not a BJC project, it’s WUSTL MED project. BJC has Barnes and children’s (staffed by washumed docs) but wash u med runs almost all the specialty practice like siteman etcgone corporate wrote: ↑Jul 30, 2021She looks great. Sounds like they'll be giving absolutely best-in-class service to those going through chemotherapy.
Looking forward to full construction starting this year.
Curious if BJC's relationship with Perkins Elmer & Lawrence Group on this project could indicate that they're also working on the Queeny Tower replacement. Pure speculation, but it seems logical.
Will the new building and Siteman space reshuffling allow WUSM to demo this ugly, shabby Radiation Oncology building and surface parking, directly across the street? And then, hopefully, add some density and something more appropriate to the neighborhood with the land?
Edit: It looks like they've spent several million dollars in renovations on this building over the last five years, so it's probably not going anywhere for awhile, unfortunately.
I'm all for getting a Perkins+Will building at WUMC.urbanitas wrote: ↑Jul 31, 2021At the very least, they do seem to have a newfound affinity for firms founded by Perkinses.gone corporate wrote: ↑Jul 30, 2021Curious if BJC's relationship with Perkins Elmer & Lawrence Group on this project could indicate that they're also working on the Queeny Tower replacement. Pure speculation, but it seems logical.
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Bob Clark shared it on LinkedIn… makes me think this is close to what we’ll get.
I'm happy with the front facade. Fairly sleek. I understand why the front facade doesn't have trees blocking it.
The trees appear to be on the side, and trees within the street median would compensate.
The front contouring facade needs to be a stand out along the street.
I'd I would like to see a 360 of the building though,
The trees appear to be on the side, and trees within the street median would compensate.
The front contouring facade needs to be a stand out along the street.
I'd I would like to see a 360 of the building though,
Oh wow. That is Perkins+Will. What went wrong there?? I guess I just assumed it was HOK and chalked it up to STL mediocrity.urbanitas wrote: ↑Aug 03, 2021The Neuroscience Research building design didn't cure you of that desire?
Anyway. My architectural critique of the one render we have so far: It's not bad. Better than Couch Biomedical Research building, which it obviously closely resembles. Couch's staggered windows and angled façade are about as clever as a #5 song on the American Top 40 in 2012 having a dubstep bridge. Which was likely playing in the background at 9 pm in the office when a principle at goody clancy who usually designs college libraries said to himself "yeah this looks sciency" and sent it off to a blissfully impressed Christner and WashU. i.e. it's a pile of mid-2010s architectural cliches straight out of KU's 4th year studio. But back to Siteman, the use of a rectangular grid rather than staggered windows on the east is the correct choice. The setbacks around the windows are a great detail. It also looks like that same window pattern and concrete walls appears down closer to the hotel, which would be a good continuation of WUMC's beige concrete. The angled curtain wall is tolerable, it's a lazy design but at least it's not as random as Couch. The curtain wall system is much nicer than we could have gotten. Would be nice if the two different textures that appear in said system actually come to fruition. As others have said, the lack of ground level activity is a disappointment.
I looked through the Perkins+Will portfolio and it just seemed like endless impressive but soul-crushing buildings.urbanitas wrote: ↑Aug 03, 2021The Neuroscience Research building design didn't cure you of that desire?
After having gotten to know many architects at the largest US-based firms over the years, I can say that many of those can be chalked up to projection.imran wrote: ↑Aug 03, 2021I looked through the Perkins+Will portfolio and it just seemed like endless impressive but soul-crushing buildings.
Two additional renderings, with a closeup of the huge porte cochere and the garage screen, for whatever they are worth:
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Early morning rush on the FPA (looking southwest)
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Afternoon, from eastbound FPA
CLAYCO: WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF MEDICINE / BARNES-JEWISH HOSPITAL SITEMAN CANCER CENTER
Early morning rush on the FPA (looking southwest)
Afternoon, from eastbound FPA
CLAYCO: WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF MEDICINE / BARNES-JEWISH HOSPITAL SITEMAN CANCER CENTER
Thanks to Urbanitasurbanitas wrote: ↑Aug 14, 2021Two additional renderings, with a closeup of the huge porte cochere and the garage screen, for whatever they are worth:
Early morning rush on the FPA (looking southwest)
Afternoon, from eastbound FPA
CLAYCO: WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF MEDICINE / BARNES-JEWISH HOSPITAL SITEMAN CANCER CENTER
To Imran's to post about the trees. The difference it would make to have trees when fully grown fronting the garage screen would be huge. I think it would undoubtly make the rendering look that much better just to begin with and a huge plus with real trees fronting the building itself. As I sit here on another hot day thinking how important shade will be to the future of a city full of concrete, pavement and bricks going forward.
Thanks for ‘getting it’ dredger
If the renderings are accurate existing street trees and on-steet parking will be eliminated - moves that make pedestrians more exposed and un-welcome (see second picture)
Also since I have not come across a site plan, I am assuming the renderings depict alignment with the hotel building and not the grid-like garage currently set back on the site.
If the renderings are accurate existing street trees and on-steet parking will be eliminated - moves that make pedestrians more exposed and un-welcome (see second picture)
Also since I have not come across a site plan, I am assuming the renderings depict alignment with the hotel building and not the grid-like garage currently set back on the site.
