In a thread a long time ago, the topic of Schnucks and their variability was kicked around for quite a while. I remember arguing (with general agreement if I am not mistaken) that an individual Schnucks store reflects 1. its primary customers (their tastes and tolerances) and 2. its pool of workers/job applicants (usually the same as its primary customer base). Though the company probably has some pretty significant illusions about top-down, corporate, "this is the way we do things at Schnucks," the reality of the situation implies that "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink." Trashy people make for trashy Schnucks. Last summer I went to my own ghetto Schnucks on S.Grand about an hour after the police had taken a bunch of little kids into protective custody after their mother told an employee that she didn't want to take care of them "no more" and then walked out. Trashy is Trashy. Lindell Marketlplace is trashy. It will continue to be until trashy people stop patronizing it and working there.
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westendresident wrote:So now a bigger tax is implemented for improvements?? I for one will not be shopping there any longer.
That seems to be the magic bullet for everything that ails the city. The gravy train for everyone ranging from the Cardinals to Schnucks seems to be never-ending, as does the desire to soak the public for these endeavors through the earnings tax, the special taxing districts, and most recently, the half-cent sales tax increase approved by voters under the guise of hiring more police officers. We'll see about that once the pension fund issues are resolved, I suppose...
At what point can we wean ourselves from these incentives? The unchecked proliferation of taxing districts in the city is cause for concern since we already have the region's highest sales tax along with the 1% earnings tax that isn't going away anytime soon. Don't misunderstand me, as I welcome the billions of dollars that have been invested in the city in recent years. However, there's a vast difference between worthwhile incentives like brownfield or historic preservation tax credits and the questionable creation of taxing districts to benefit a strip center that hasn't made any meaningful improvements in 25 years. I seem to recall Mayor Slay suggesting that the city needed to evaluate the fairness of its tax structure some time ago, and I haven't heard anything about that ever since. I think it's about time to take a closer look.
BJ - Office Depot Finally Calls It
Hopefully this leads to redevelopment of that parcel, or at least a fresh new retailer. Not sure if the existing building is big enough, but again, this is the most likely urban location for Trader Joe's.
Hopefully this leads to redevelopment of that parcel, or at least a fresh new retailer. Not sure if the existing building is big enough, but again, this is the most likely urban location for Trader Joe's.
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Fairly confident it would be as big as the TJs in Brentwood. Wouldn’t mind that location at all.urbanitas wrote:BJ - Office Depot Finally Calls It
Hopefully this leads to redevelopment of that parcel, or at least a fresh new retailer. Not sure if the existing building is big enough, but again, this is the most likely urban location for Trader Joe's.
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Yeah, after looking at aerials and city records, that Office Depot is bigger than I thought, probably around 30,000sf. So, plenty of space for a large TJ's, with room to grow.SeattleNative wrote: ↑Apr 11, 2021Fairly confident it would be as big as the TJs in Brentwood. Wouldn’t mind that location at all.urbanitas wrote:BJ - Office Depot Finally Calls It
Hopefully this leads to redevelopment of that parcel, or at least a fresh new retailer. Not sure if the existing building is big enough, but again, this is the most likely urban location for Trader Joe's.
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A TJ would be great, but I'd imagine the Schnucks family will fight tooth and nail against it even becoming an option for real discussion. Wouldn't be surprised if there is something in the lease agreement strongly guarding against another grocer being located within the Lindell Marketplace.
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And even if there's not, they could just say "Hey, if you sign Trader Joe's, we're not renewing our lease / we're opting out as soon as we can."
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Maybe then we could actually get something urban scale thereLaife Fulk wrote:And even if there's not, they could just say "Hey, if you sign Trader Joe's, we're not renewing our lease / we're opting out as soon as we can."
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I don't think so, but they could have an interest. The Staenberg Group is leasing and property manager, and listed as secondary owner for all the Lindell Marketplace parcels. And I assume they still have some ownership interest, since THF was going to redevelop the whole property into a "lifestyle center" many moons ago. (For those who don't know the history, THF was the development company co-owned by StanK and Mike Staenberg, before they had their falling out. Staenberg then formed TSG)aprice wrote: ↑Apr 12, 2021Isn't that development Desco, which is Schnucks?
The parcels on either side of Sarah seem to have different primary owners. The Office Depot parcel is listed as owned by WebCo LLC (the Weber Automotive family).
As noted above, they are on separate parcels. I doubt that any exclusive use clause in their lease would include the property on the other side of the street, or more importantly, that Schnucks would have ever even imagined a need for one at Lindell Marketplace.ikazy1 wrote: ↑Apr 11, 2021A TJ would be great, but I'd imagine the Schnucks family will fight tooth and nail against it even becoming an option for real discussion. Wouldn't be surprised if there is something in the lease agreement strongly guarding against another grocer being located within the Lindell Marketplace.
But either way, it would be extremely short-sighted to block a Trader Joe's next door. Schnucks would have much more to gain from the increased traffic at that location than they'd ever lose from the little bit of direct competition. Consider where all the central corridor TJ-addicts currently go to get their fix.
Plus, if they could actually land Trader Joe's, the rest of those strip mall storefronts would instantly, finally, fill up with something other than beauty supply, plus-size clothing, discount shoe, and cell phone stores, eyebrow spas, nail salons, chicken wing purveyors, etc...
Pretty sure that property was originally developed by Desco, but I have no idea of what if any ownership they may still have.
Michael Staenberg is the primary owner of the shopping center. Schnucks has a grocery exclusive on the center so Trader Joe’s or any other grocery store isn’t happening here.
CWE has the lowest sales Whole Foods in the metro. Fresh Thyme opening at Foundry. Plus Schnucks. Plus Straub’s. No need for another grocery store anyways.
^And Fields Foods and Aldi at Delmar & Kingshighway.kbshapiro wrote: ↑Apr 14, 2021Michael Staenberg is the primary owner of the shopping center. Schnucks has a grocery exclusive on the center so Trader Joe’s or any other grocery store isn’t happening here.framer wrote: ↑Apr 14, 2021Pretty sure that property was originally developed by Desco, but I have no idea of what if any ownership they may still have.
CWE has the lowest sales Whole Foods in the metro. Fresh Thyme opening at Foundry. Plus Schnucks. Plus Straub’s. No need for another grocery store anyways.
It'd be great to see this somehow be demo'd for mixed-use residential that incorporated the adjacent parking lot along McPherson. Basically a 3949 Lindell Annex.
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Well, it is the smallest Whole Foods.kbshapiro wrote: ↑Apr 14, 2021Michael Staenberg is the primary owner of the shopping center. Schnucks has a grocery exclusive on the center so Trader Joe’s or any other grocery store isn’t happening here.framer wrote: ↑Apr 14, 2021Pretty sure that property was originally developed by Desco, but I have no idea of what if any ownership they may still have.
CWE has the lowest sales Whole Foods in the metro. Fresh Thyme opening at Foundry. Plus Schnucks. Plus Straub’s. No need for another grocery store anyways.
True, but it’s the lowest per square foot sales store for Whole Foods in St Louis and that’s especially bad when the denominator is the smallest.BellaVilla wrote: ↑Apr 14, 2021Well, it is the smallest Whole Foods.kbshapiro wrote: ↑Apr 14, 2021Michael Staenberg is the primary owner of the shopping center. Schnucks has a grocery exclusive on the center so Trader Joe’s or any other grocery store isn’t happening here.framer wrote: ↑Apr 14, 2021Pretty sure that property was originally developed by Desco, but I have no idea of what if any ownership they may still have.
CWE has the lowest sales Whole Foods in the metro. Fresh Thyme opening at Foundry. Plus Schnucks. Plus Straub’s. No need for another grocery store anyways.
Trader Joe's is hardly just another grocery store though. Everyone I know who regularly shops there will generally just buy a bag or two of favorite specialty items, but still do the bulk of their shopping at a nearby big box discount store or traditional grocer with a much larger selection. But that is their business model, and they do it better than anyone else. And that's why TJ's always picks locations as near as possible or on the major routes to or from those larger retailers.kbshapiro wrote: ↑Apr 14, 2021Michael Staenberg is the primary owner of the shopping center. Schnucks has a grocery exclusive on the center so Trader Joe’s or any other grocery store isn’t happening here.framer wrote: ↑Apr 14, 2021Pretty sure that property was originally developed by Desco, but I have no idea of what if any ownership they may still have.
CWE has the lowest sales Whole Foods in the metro. Fresh Thyme opening at Foundry. Plus Schnucks. Plus Straub’s. No need for another grocery store anyways.
Sure they will take business away on some of the high margin items, but again, TJs brings in a ridiculous traffic volume to whatever commercial strip they occupy. Do you think the Brentwood Target, Whole Foods, and Dierberg's would wish for that nearby Trader Joe's to go away?
^ Spot on. My sister is a huge TJ fan and shops there regularly, but her and her hubby still shop at Schnucks for the staples.
Apparently Burlington (formerly Coat Factory) plans to open 100 stores in the next year. Everyone tweet to them and tell them to open a store at 4061 Lindell.
I believe the former Payless Shoes space is still available, right next to the wig and hair extension shop, or whatever it is this week...aprice wrote: ↑Apr 19, 2021Apparently Burlington (formerly Coat Factory) plans to open 100 stores in the next year. Everyone tweet to them and tell them to open a store at 4061 Lindell.
Also, to add to my list of current retail uses in Lindell Marketplace, there is not one, but two furniture and electronics rental stores in the strip mall.
So, no Trader Joe's, and no demo for redevelopment.urbanitas wrote: ↑Apr 11, 2021BJ - Office Depot Finally Calls It
Hopefully this leads to redevelopment of that parcel, or at least a fresh new retailer. Not sure if the existing building is big enough, but again, this is the most likely urban location for Trader Joe's.
Maybe it has been mentioned elsewhere, but I noticed this weekend that the Office Depot space is being transformed into yet another Planet Fitness. And construction must be pretty far along, since all the signage is up and errthang...