Glad to see Clayton remaining hot!! Especially with more residential, which will hopefully help support existing / bring in new restaurants / retail.

I contacted the developer, this is very early on in the development process. Everything is not yet official with this. So while KDG has the intention, it's not like it's ready to go fully yet. 

This could very well be a conversion on the existing building, but that would be a heavy alteration of the facade. We will see though. It's a great vision at this point.

Wouldn’t mind being more that height of the new building across the street. But I won’t complain too much this early on. The current building would be the tallest building in the area demolished in awhile would it be?

jshank83 wrote:Wouldn’t mind being more that height of the new building across the street. But I won’t complain too much this early on. The current building would be the tallest building in the area demolished in awhile would it be?

There’s no indication that the building will be demolished. You would think it would be but the existing building matches the height of the planned building which is why I think this will be a reclad

But if it is demoed, it would be the tallest demo recently. If Queeny Tower demo takes place, that will beat this

chriss752 wrote: ↑

Oct 23, 2020

jshank83 wrote:Wouldn’t mind being more that height of the new building across the street. But I won’t complain too much this early on. The current building would be the tallest building in the area demolished in awhile would it be?

There’s no indication that the building will be demolished. You would think it would be but the existing building matches the height of the planned building which is why I think this will be a reclad

But if it is demoed, it would be the tallest demo recently. If Queeny Tower demo takes place, that will beat this

This made me think it was being torn down.

“KDG's plans, under review by Clayton officials, call for replacing the existing structure a 13-story midrise building at the corner of Meramec and Bonhomme avenues and an attached 6-story structure along Bonhomme.”

But like you say looking closer at the rendering it could just be reclad. They look similar and match in stories, etc.

^If they do tear it down, that will be interesting to me. With this very basic rendering, it’s hard to tell if the new building will retain the same set back from the street like the current one. If it doesn’t, then we know for sure this is a new building

The building as presented looks pretty good. 

Looking back 6 years ago on NextSTL "Residential Conversion in the Works for Clayton Seven-Up Building"...

nextSTL has learned there are plans for another new residential building project in downtown Clayton. 100 units are expected to be developed by the Koman Group at 121 S. Meramec, site of the former World Trade Center and Seven-Up Buildings...

...Koman Group is now expected to re-skin the exterior and completely overhaul 121 S. Meramec property inside and out.

https://nextstl.com/2014/08/residential ... -building/

The cost is what makes me think this is a new building. 70 million is awful expensive for just a recladding. I'm hoping the building is demoed.

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I wonder if it's possible (or practical) to remove the above-ground floors and re-use the existing foundation to build a similarly-scaled building? 

framer wrote: ↑

Oct 24, 2020

I wonder if it's possible (or practical) to remove the above-ground floors and re-use the existing foundation to build a similarly-scaled building? 

That's an interesting question. My guess would be no since the scale of the current building is surely different than this new one. The weight of the new building materials may also be too much for the old foundations to hold. Finally, it would be pretty difficult to carefully deconstruct a mid-rise, like the one currently on site, then prepare the existing foundations for a new build-up. I'm not an engineer though, so maybe if there is an engineer on here, he or she can explain it better.

I love the 7-Up Building but that's a pretty great looking rendering (apart from the random yellow rectangles, those are a bit dated). Unfortunately 7-Up's windows a too small and the plaza isn't very urbanism friendly. Would be a great place for a beer garden but I don't think the demand is there. Ultimately I assume most of us expected a tear down. 

Plans have been submitted to the Clayton Architectural Review Board (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/jhrduo960om6 ... w8O3a?dl=0). It gives us a glimpse of what to expect.

First, facade materials will be glass, fiber board, composite board, and wood. The structure of the 13-story building will be concrete whereas the 6-story wing will be 5 floors of wood framing over a podium base. The 6-story portion will also include a 44-space parking garage accessed from the alley. 

As expected by many, the existing building will be demolished. The total apartment count varies. When you count the floor plans, there are 244 apartment units. The submission to the Clayton ARB by Mark Rubin of KDG says 250 apartments. There will be 12,000sf of retail and commercial space along Bonhomme and Meramec Avenues.

I included the new renderings of the building here since we all have seen the one from the Post. I've also included the floor layouts/plans. I personally like it.

Depending on how fast this and the residence inn get started, you could have a nice little area of tower cranes going in downtown Clayton. Along with the double tower project currently with 2. I guess you could also maybe add in the project on the old Kumar site if it gets going also.

The project was removed from the Architectural Review Board website. Not sure why. Maybe they just submitted it too early and still had some work to do.

sc4mayor wrote: ↑

Apr 07, 2021

According to the Cortex reporting in the PD, KDG nixed this project:
https://www.stltoday.com/business/local ... bb425.html

Well that sucks. I was hoping this would happen

^ This project seems pretty solid in a good location for a residential high rise as anywhere else in the region with an experience development team behind it.  Wondering if capital markets starting to get more selective in financing and or if the combined development group getting selective by not having too much on the plate at any given time?   Cortex K with the phase approach and size of individuals buildings a much more manageable project that requires less upfront financing for the combined group.  My speculative guess is the later.   

Clayton is losing momentum on dense residential.  The Central Corridor is the winner here.

STLinCHI wrote: ↑

Apr 08, 2021

Clayton is losing momentum on dense residential.  The Central Corridor is the winner here.

Indeed, kind of telling that they're scrapping the Clayton project and moving forward with the Cortex one. I suppose it helps that they can phase the Cortex project, and at 7 stories (and maybe 4 stories for the planned office portion?) it can be a less intensive type of construction than the 14 stories they were planning in Clayton. Even with those factors in mind, I think it shows where the momentum is and where the investment dollars are currently heading. 

wabash wrote: ↑

Apr 08, 2021

STLinCHI wrote: ↑

Apr 08, 2021

Clayton is losing momentum on dense residential.  The Central Corridor is the winner here.

Indeed, kind of telling that they're scrapping the Clayton project and moving forward with the Cortex one. I suppose it helps that they can phase the Cortex project, and at 7 stories (and maybe 4 stories for the planned office portion?) it can be a less intensive type of construction than the 14 stories they were planning in Clayton. Even with those factors in mind, I think it shows where the momentum is and where the investment dollars are currently heading. 

It is hard for me to say Clayton is losing that much momentum. They don’t have a shortage of development projects.