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PostMar 14, 2021#1

I didn't see a topic specifically on this subject.  I was just reading about St. Louis inspired fast food that has gone national without direct credit back to our town.  Freddy's Frozen Custard and Steakburgers was founded by three guys in Wichita that all said they missed St. Louis/Ozarks style frozen custard.  One of the founders grew up in South St. Louis and specifically references Ted Drewes.  Last May, St. Louis based Thompson Street Capital Partners bought the company.

Similarly, Danny Myers credits the business model of Ted Drewes where lines are long but move very fast.  And he cites the burgers, fries, and custard he enjoyed while growing in St. Louis as the model for his Shake Shack cuisine.
  
Panera -- St. Louis Bread Co. -- started here and effectively defined fast casual and is still the best at fast casual dining. Panera just went national with the small pizza and creative salad combo started here by Crushed Red.

We always cite toasted ravioli, St. Louis pizza, gooey butter cake, etc.  KC has declared themselves the US BBQ restaurant mecca. Here in St. Louis, when we say BBQ, we mean doing it outdoors. Grilled or slow cooked.  "In St. Louis, BBQ is a verb."  Versus a noun in KC.  We buy more BBQ sauce than any metro in America. We are the US outdoor gilling mecca of the US in the same way New Orleans is the creole food capital, but nobody knows it.  Can we market ourselves that way?  St Louis style ribs is a cut used nationwide.

Are there new cuisines unique to St. Louis we can package together with our current famous foods? The marketing campaign can tout the Danny Meyer origins, Seoul Taco, Vicia successful new recipes, Balkan Treat Box new foods, Pi Pizza, Mission Taco, etc.  At the center of the country, we get hit with new recipes and chains from all over the country that converge here.  

What other cuisine / delivery / fusions, or whatever are unique to St Louis now and will eventually spread from here.  How can we market to rest of the country that St. Louis is the national food test kitchen  We're not seen as a national foodie city now, but with marketing...?  And maybe a national SWSX for food integration / experimentation from all parts of America....?  That is effectively what happened when we invented/popularized ice cream cones, ice tea, hamburgers, etc. in 1904 fair.  We're the natural N/S/E/W central site for it to happen again. 

Or how about at least going national on Pi day -- 3/14 -- a national pizza festival on the Hill, say?  We could be the national pizza variety town from our own Little Italy.

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PostMar 15, 2021#2

^ Don't forget about bread-sliced bagels.  That's a thing the rest of the country got its collective panties-in-a-bunch about.  

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PostMar 15, 2021#3

St. Paul sandwiches are pretty unique to St. Louis - and surprisingly good. 

I didn't know St. Louis-style fried rice was a thing until I moved here. 

Gerber sandwiches are allegedly a thing, but I've never had one and I have only ever heard of one place that serves them: Ruma's Deli in South County. 

The slinger is definitely featured on most St. Louis diner menus. 

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PostMar 15, 2021#4

Bulrush is doing a lot of interesting things with local/ozark ingredients.

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PostMar 15, 2021#5

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^ Don't forget about bread-sliced bagels.  That's a thing the rest of the country got its collective panties-in-a-bunch about.  
hahaha

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PostMar 16, 2021#6

^Oh . . .they're still getting upset about that. There was a Reddit thread just this weekend where a New Yorker asked about decent local bagels. It has not been forgotten.

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PostMar 16, 2021#7

^ As an ex-New Yorker myself, where actually are there good local bagels in STL? Bread Co's are alright I guess, but I don't go there very often and I find that they're overpriced. IMO there's a disturbing lack of bakeries in town, and the bagels at Schnucks and Dierbergs are mediocre at best except for the citzel bagels I found at Dierbergs - once. Honestly, the best bagels I've found here are from Einstein Bros, and that's not even local. Not being able to get fresh, great bagels down the street at the local bodega is one of the few things I miss about NYC.

As an aside, would it kill someone to open a proper German bakery in town? We've got a butcher covered with G&W, but it's not complete without a German bakery. It couldn't do that poorly, given the German heritage in town. If there already is one, I'd sure like to know about it.

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PostMar 16, 2021#8

^I was just talking this weekend about how it's a shame I can't get fresh Brötchen anywhere.

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PostMar 16, 2021#9

Trololzilla wrote:
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^ As an ex-New Yorker myself, where actually are there good local bagels in STL? Bread Co's are alright I guess, but I don't go there very often and I find that they're overpriced. IMO there's a disturbing lack of bakeries in town, and the bagels at Schnucks and Dierbergs are mediocre at best except for the citzel bagels I found at Dierbergs - once. Honestly, the best bagels I've found here are from Einstein Bros, and that's not even local. Not being able to get fresh, great bagels down the street at the local bodega is one of the few things I miss about NYC.

As an aside, would it kill someone to open a proper German bakery in town? We've got a butcher covered with G&W, but it's not complete without a German bakery. It couldn't do that poorly, given the German heritage in town. If there already is one, I'd sure like to know about it.
From St. Lous Magazine in January: In search of St. Louis' best bagels on national bagel day.

-RBB

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PostMar 16, 2021#10

We get our bagels from Bagel Factory in Creve Coeur. It's a bit of a drive but you get a dozen for $10 and they are very good.

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PostMar 16, 2021#11

Trololzilla wrote:
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^ As an ex-New Yorker myself, where actually are there good local bagels in STL? Bread Co's are alright I guess, but I don't go there very often and I find that they're overpriced. IMO there's a disturbing lack of bakeries in town, and the bagels at Schnucks and Dierbergs are mediocre at best except for the citzel bagels I found at Dierbergs - once. Honestly, the best bagels I've found here are from Einstein Bros, and that's not even local. Not being able to get fresh, great bagels down the street at the local bodega is one of the few things I miss about NYC.

As an aside, would it kill someone to open a proper German bakery in town? We've got a butcher covered with G&W, but it's not complete without a German bakery. It couldn't do that poorly, given the German heritage in town. If there already is one, I'd sure like to know about it.
As a former New Yorker as well, Bagel Factory has the best bagels I have found thus far in St. Louis. There are a couple other places in the county that are solid (Protzel's), but Bagel Factory is by far the best. Kitchen House in the city also has decent ones. 

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PostMar 16, 2021#12

One you should check out is Kohns Kosher Meat and Deli Restaurant - pretty solid bagels. 

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PostMar 16, 2021#13

I can't wait until the rumored bagel location from Union Loafers opens in Webster Groves. 

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PostMar 16, 2021#14

KansasCitian wrote:
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I can't wait until the rumored bagel location from Union Loafers opens in Webster Groves. 
Oh haven't heard that. I have heard that they are renting a space in Shaw. Business must be good. 

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PostMar 16, 2021#15

We need Montreal bagels. I’d go out of my way to get some of those. Not a fan of regular bagels.

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PostMar 17, 2021#16

If anyone goes to Bagel Factory, can you give the guy and extra $5 or $10 and I'll venmo you? We went back in November of 2019, we didn't have cash, he said "pay me next time", we fully intended to go again, COVID struck, and then we moved.  The bagels themselves are great but it's not a full blown New York bagel place by any means. And if you didn't get the point from earlier, cash only unless that changed during COVID. 

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PostMar 17, 2021#17

I'll probably go again next week. Still cash only

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PostMar 18, 2021#18

Black02AltimaSE wrote:
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^I was just talking this weekend about how it's a shame I can't get fresh Brötchen anywhere.
Yep. No fresh rolls, loaves of bread, or pretzels/laugen stangen (sure, there's Gus' for pretzels, but they're not quite the same) - pastries are about it here. Hard to walk a block without finding a bakery in Germany; wish I could say the same about America.

You know, I live right down the street from the Bagel Factory and drive past it all the time, but never gave it much thought. Kohn's isn't far either. I'll have to stop by both sometime. Thanks for the tips everyone.

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PostMar 21, 2021#19

Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but I had never heard of the Prosperity Sandwich until it popped up on Facebook recently (there was  also a reference to Mayfair Dressing):

https://www.sandwichtribunal.com/2018/0 ... GQ4xSn-roA

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PostMar 22, 2021#20

There's been no mention of pork steaks on this thread yet and I'm sad. How do you describe the STL pork steak? 

So I grew up in Fulton, MO where the fire fighters would serve pork steaks at Street Fair every June. Here's my annual fire fighter pork steak from 2018: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Adg6QZuHCJ7LuYu47
Occasionally a grill would pop up in a grocery store parking lot so that was always a treat as well. My other pork steak story was boy scout weekends at Camp Thunderbird and Camp Hohn. They'd cook them on a grill about 5' x 10' and apply barbeque sauce with a bucket and a paintbrush. In STL, I see them as more of a home cooked / backyard barbecue experience. I've seen them at restaurants but they're rare. And I've never actually tried a restaurant pork steak. Paddy O's is the only place that comes to mind right now. 

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PostMar 22, 2021#21

Cook's Country did a segment on STL Pork Steaks. Also saw one on gooie butter cake.

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PostMar 22, 2021#22

One of the reasons I miss the old Tin Can Tavern on Morganford was because of their awesome pork steaks. 

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PostMar 22, 2021#23

Pork steaks were always a super popular item in my family’s backyard BBQs...never really seen them in a restaurant.

Personally I never liked them. I can eat one if it’s all that’s around...but I always thought they kind of sucked lol.

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PostMar 22, 2021#24

It's all about the technique.  If you cook them to 160° they will still be tough because all of the collagen needs a higher temperature to break down and yield a tender steak.  Gotta go 180-190°.  Not to death like pulled pork (195-205°F).  But I usually go indirect on a kettle until they hit 170 or so then slap some maull's on, and baste/sear until it creates a wonderfully caramelized crust.

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PostMar 23, 2021#25

I miss my grandparent's porksteaks. I have my great grandmother's barbecue sauce recipe (it's got some surprising touches) and I think I have a basic understanding of how my grandfather cooked his porksteaks, but I really need to try it out. I'd describe them as heaven. It's . . . childhood. They taste like summer. Or the fourth of July. Add in some homemade icecream and we're there.

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