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PostJan 19, 2021#7801

Two interesting threads/articles on the great homicide spike of 2020. The Twitter thread has St. Louis data through Dec 28, showing a 34.5% increase, which puts us between NYC and SF (in terms of % increase). 
https://www.statista.com/chart/23905/ch ... us-cities/

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PostJan 25, 2021#7802

KMOV4: 7-year-old girl killed in Central West End double shooting identified

This happened a block from my home last night. I walked down the block when I heard multiple police sirens and saw all their lights in the street. I saw EMTs rolling the girl on a gurney into the ambulance. She was so small. It's burned in my mind. Can't stop seeing her. I'm a mess today. 

Apparently, none of the persons involved live in the neighborhood. Rather, they picked the location as it was centrally located. Police are saying publicly that the shooter and the male victim knew each other, that they were familiar. My best guess is that this maybe was a deal gone wrong, that for whatever reason things went bad. Two rounds of shots went off last night. I'd bet the man who died had gone back into his car when the other man opened fire on him. Then, with more movement in the car, he opened fire again. Just guesses, but this seems reasonable and plausible. 

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PostJan 26, 2021#7803

^That's rough. 

I thought when I heard that address that it was likely a case of that just being a meeting place. 

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PostJan 31, 2021#7804

Someone killed a security guard at the Delmar metro station this morning.

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PostJan 31, 2021#7805

Definitely not good for the Metrolinks reputation. Prob a good idea to start trying to prevent this kind of crap before thinking of expanding.

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PostJan 31, 2021#7806

KSDK - Man shot multiple times while driving on I-70

https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local ... ae88dbd76d

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PostFeb 01, 2021#7807

Unlike the silly spy plane (which captures dots) the street level cameras have captured a perfectly clear photo of the suspect.

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PostFeb 01, 2021#7808

Prob a good idea to start trying to prevent this kind of crap before thinking of expanding.
Unfortunately STL is in a red state where the thinking is firmly in the "fix gun violence with more guns" camp. It's not Metrolink's fault, this is going to be a problem as long as STL has poverty and easy access to guns.

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PostFeb 01, 2021#7809

PSA

Spouse and I (like many people) started daily neighborhood walks since the pandemic (no matter what the weather). We usually go out for 45 mins after getting home from work so its dark by then. I've been surprised by the number of street and alley lights in my neighborhood that were not on. Dark spots create opportunity for crime of course. 
St Louis has a self-reporting system so if no one reports that a light is out, it does not get fixed (What!!) 

The reporting is easy for street lights. I do it on my cell phone via CSB (citizen service bureau) where you have to locate the closest building address to identify the location 
For Alley lights you have to call Ameren at 1-800-552-7583 preferably with a pole number that starts with STLA followed by numbers or they can search by the nearest property address. 

I've reported upwards of 20 lights out so far in our walk radius. Once you report them though they are fixed in a matter of days. 
I would encourage everyone to look around in your neighborhoods and report. Its low hanging fruit where crime prevention is concerned. 

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PostFeb 01, 2021#7810

^ thanks for doing this!

...and yeah, Ameren maintains alley lights, but they've gotten better about accepting reports...they used to not accept an address, they only accepted a report if the submitter provided the number on the little yellow tag stapled to the pole. In the past year or two, they've decided to allow (or fully-accept?) address-based reporting.

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PostFeb 01, 2021#7811

dbInSouthCity wrote:
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Unlike the silly spy plane (which captures dots) the street level cameras have captured a perfectly clear photo of the suspect.
can the street level camera track where he went? didn't think so. what if it hadn't captured a clear photo, as is more often the case? the two technologies ideally work together. nothing "silly" about it.

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PostFeb 01, 2021#7812

urban_dilettante wrote:
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dbInSouthCity wrote:
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Unlike the silly spy plane (which captures dots) the street level cameras have captured a perfectly clear photo of the suspect.
can the street level camera track where he went? didn't think so. what if it hadn't captured a clear photo, as is more often the case? the two technologies ideally work together. nothing "silly" about it.
neither could the spy plane, it flys 1/3 of the city at a time, so i guess its 33% chance that it would have been on this spot?  if he got on the train or anything covered the plane lost him.  
there are probably enough street level cameras around that area to track him for a while, it will just take a few days to gather it all 

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PostFeb 01, 2021#7813

^ only if limited to a single plane, as you well know. and you're conveniently forgetting that a pilot can react in real time—change course, etc. i can make the same argument about ground-based cameras, too. how many ground-based cameras would it take to cover the same area as one plane, do you imagine? ten thousand? a hundred thousand? not arguing against ground cameras, but clearly they haven't solved our crime issues, or even minimally improved things.

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PostFeb 01, 2021#7814

As mentioned, a security camera got quite a good image of the perpetrator in the metrolink shooting.  I imagine this will go a long way in solving this horrible crime.

I Haven't heard this discussed in a while: Just put cameras freaking everywhere, London style???

I'm usually all about civil liberties, but desperate times call for desperate measures and with the advancements in cheap camera technologies in recent years it might be worth revisiting.

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PostFeb 01, 2021#7815

^ This is also my thought.  Why not just more ground level cameras tied into the Real Time Crime Center?  If I’m not mistaken even residential cameras (with the homeowners permission) can be tied into that system.  A large city-wide grid of ground level cameras tied into RTCC would probably do much the same as the planes only with better imagery.

https://www.riverfronttimes.com/newsblo ... everywhere

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PostFeb 01, 2021#7816

The suspect was arrested today at another metrolink station 

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PostFeb 01, 2021#7817

^Great to hear. Indeed, cameras work. 

After the double-shooting down the block from me last week, the STL PD asked my neighbor and I if we knew where security cameras were on that block and if there were any other ones proximate to it, i.e. in the apartment and condo buildings nearby... 

Remember when Aldermen French got traffic cameras into his ward a few years ago? How it picked up a clear photo of a drive-by in progress right after it went live? Cameras can get results that lead to both arrests and decreases in future crimes where the cameras are. The City's Finest implemented its Real Time Crime Center in 2015, and while it surely didn't eliminate crime all on its own, it certainly has helped dissipate certain high crime areas. 

Perhaps the solution is the Ring-style doorbell camera system. Can these be subsidized for the sake of public safety? Can these be affordably put on vacants and plugged into the Real Time Crime Center? Could nonprofit fundraising be done to accomplish these goals? Could technologies like these be made a regular feature on all new build residential? 

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PostFeb 01, 2021#7818

imran wrote:
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PSA

Spouse and I (like many people) started daily neighborhood walks since the pandemic (no matter what the weather). We usually go out for 45 mins after getting home from work so its dark by then. I've been surprised by the number of street and alley lights in my neighborhood that were not on. Dark spots create opportunity for crime of course. 
St Louis has a self-reporting system so if no one reports that a light is out, it does not get fixed (What!!) 

The reporting is easy for street lights. I do it on my cell phone via CSB (citizen service bureau) where you have to locate the closest building address to identify the location 
For Alley lights you have to call Ameren at 1-800-552-7583 preferably with a pole number that starts with STLA followed by numbers or they can search by the nearest property address. 

I've reported upwards of 20 lights out so far in our walk radius. Once you report them though they are fixed in a matter of days. 
I would encourage everyone to look around in your neighborhoods and report. Its low hanging fruit where crime prevention is concerned. 
I live in Soulard where we organize "safety walks" usually twice a year where we go out on foot (or golf cart) to look for lights that are out or other safety issues for pedestrians. We have had our alderman and 3rd district police officers join us in the past. I would encourage all neighborhood groups to do this as well. It really helps to raise awareness of these issues and build rapport with neighbors as well as city officials and PD. 

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PostFeb 01, 2021#7819

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^Great to hear. Indeed, cameras work. 

After the double-shooting down the block from me last week, the STL PD asked my neighbor and I if we knew where security cameras were on that block and if there were any other ones proximate to it, i.e. in the apartment and condo buildings nearby... 

Remember when Aldermen French got traffic cameras into his ward a few years ago? How it picked up a clear photo of a drive-by in progress right after it went live? Cameras can get results that lead to both arrests and decreases in future crimes where the cameras are. The City's Finest implemented its Real Time Crime Center in 2015, and while it surely didn't eliminate crime all on its own, it certainly has helped dissipate certain high crime areas. 

Perhaps the solution is the Ring-style doorbell camera system. Can these be subsidized for the sake of public safety? Can these be affordably put on vacants and plugged into the Real Time Crime Center? Could nonprofit fundraising be done to accomplish these goals? Could technologies like these be made a regular feature on all new build residential? 
My wife and I bought a Ring doorbell. They're not expensive. I've been hoping people will buy this form of security in droves as it has a low barrier to entry, and I think it would legitimately help thwart criminals if we had several down every block. 

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PostFeb 01, 2021#7820

Several Police Depts around the US subsidize and actively promote the adoption of Ring Doorbell systems, example: https://www.arcadiaca.gov/protect/polic ... ubsidy.php

We got a ring system after our recent break-in. Several of our neighbors in the same block also have Ring, and they added us as "authorized" viewers, who can monitor camera activity but not control/change settings, which is super useful. The modern day version of Jane Jacobs' eyes on the street (albeit more dystopian). At this point, it is very hard for someone to do any kind of mischief in our back alley without getting caught from multiple angles.

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PostFeb 01, 2021#7821

Cameras are so cheap these days that subsidizing them for property and homeowners would be relatively easy compared to even 10 years ago.

It would be useful for the LRA to have some cameras too to install on their properties. A lot of problems happen on these bombed out LRA blocks with little to no residents. 

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PostFeb 02, 2021#7822

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:
Feb 01, 2021
Cameras are so cheap these days that subsidizing them for property and homeowners would be relatively easy compared to even 10 years ago.

It would be useful for the LRA to have some cameras too to install on their properties. A lot of problems happen on these bombed out LRA blocks with little to no residents. 
That is a very good idea. (if they could figure out electric tie-in or frequent battery swaps - or solar charging)

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PostFeb 02, 2021#7823

It would be even better if the city setup a registry for people willing to upload their recordings when things happen nearby.


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PostFeb 02, 2021#7824

KSDK - 1 dead, 1 injured after shooting in St. Louis County Monday afternoon

https://www.ksdk.com/amp/article/news/c ... e29de613c3

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PostFeb 02, 2021#7825

Maybe another level to this, is have the police run (implement) this program? 

What better way to engage the community than to do outreach for citizens that are willing to help be part of the solution. It can give people insight into how it works, how they tap into the program, and what to do if/when something happens. And the police get valuable face-time with concerned/activated citizens. 

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