^Are you basing that on a re-cladding, or a complete tear-down?
If I had to guess, 99% sure it's a teardownframer wrote: ↑Jan 28, 2021^Are you basing that on a re-cladding, or a complete tear-down?
This! Even if this is scaled down, 2 residential buildings with ground retail right across from the new plaza would do wonders for our downtown.
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This is exactly what St. Louis needs to do to create a vibrant downtown.
I've lamented on this message board before about how many of the buildings facing the Gateway Mall, especially in this portion of it, are lackluster. We need to replace some of these atrocities, like the Kiener garages, with structures that are actually worthy of the space.
I want both Kiener garages gone. Not only are they a real bummer on the Gateway Mall, but they also help create a hellscape on Pine. 7th & Pine is easily one of the most pathetic intersections in downtown St. Louis with its three parking garages. Removing Kiener West and replacing it with something more urban and vibrant would go a long way toward raising that intersection from the abyss.
I've lamented on this message board before about how many of the buildings facing the Gateway Mall, especially in this portion of it, are lackluster. We need to replace some of these atrocities, like the Kiener garages, with structures that are actually worthy of the space.
I want both Kiener garages gone. Not only are they a real bummer on the Gateway Mall, but they also help create a hellscape on Pine. 7th & Pine is easily one of the most pathetic intersections in downtown St. Louis with its three parking garages. Removing Kiener West and replacing it with something more urban and vibrant would go a long way toward raising that intersection from the abyss.
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Alright here is the final rendering of "One Kiener Plaza":
This took forever so I hope everyone likes it! It is mixed-use with retail, residential, and office. This building would not include an attached garage or podium as it utilizes the existing garage to the west. Let me know what you guys think.
This took forever so I hope everyone likes it! It is mixed-use with retail, residential, and office. This building would not include an attached garage or podium as it utilizes the existing garage to the west. Let me know what you guys think.
Some unedited renders:
It is also worth noting that the building only fills about half the lot!
I like it, but . . . utilizing a (presumably) long-term lease for parking in the West garage only means that garage would be less likely to be replaced in the near future. I think it makes more sense that this project include it's own self-contained parking.
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It's part of why I am okay with the Cardinals putting parking in each and every last one of their remaining Ballpark Village parcels.framer wrote: ↑Jan 28, 2021I like it, but . . . utilizing a (presumably) long-term lease for parking in the West garage only means that garage would be less likely to be replaced in the near future. I think it makes more sense that this project include it's own self-contained parking.
We seriously need to choke out the existing horrible parking garages in downtown St. Louis.
Very nice. Though, like Framer said, this will need a lot of parking, or the surrounding garages will never go away. I think this type of mixed-use stacked building is ideal for a parking podium as well, just design it to be convertible to some other use in a decade or so...Elek.borrelli wrote: ↑Jan 28, 2021Alright here is the final rendering of "One Kiener Plaza":
This took forever so I hope everyone likes it! It is mixed-use with retail, residential, and office. This building would not include an attached garage or podium as it utilizes the existing garage to the west. Let me know what you guys think.
I know you are focused on downtown, but for your next project, consider a shorter version of this built between the Armory and the Grand Ave. viaduct, with pedestrian and street connections from Grand, a parking podium to serve the Metro station, and two or three landscaped public-access terraces down to the Armory street level...mit retail! I think that would be a lot of fun, with lots of opportunities for innovation.
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A garage could be constructed on the north side of this building since it's only taking about 50% of the total lot. Maybe it could be wrapped in a mid-rise apartment building in order to conceal it.framer wrote: ↑Jan 28, 2021I like it, but . . . utilizing a (presumably) long-term lease for parking in the West garage only means that garage would be less likely to be replaced in the near future. I think it makes more sense that this project include it's own self-contained parking.
Thanks, I'm taking advantage of downloadable downtown buildings I found on SketchUp!quincunx wrote: ↑Jan 28, 2021Very nice!
Maybe in this conceptual land, people actually utilize existing public transit! I will look into a midtown location all though it will be harder without the free models of existing buildings. A scaled-down version of this would also be great in the Cortex.urbanitas wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2021Very nice. Though, like Framer said, this will need a lot of parking, or the surrounding garages will never go away. I think this type of mixed-use stacked building is ideal for a parking podium as well, just design it to be convertible to some other use in a decade or so...Elek.borrelli wrote: ↑Jan 28, 2021Alright here is the final rendering of "One Kiener Plaza":
This took forever so I hope everyone likes it! It is mixed-use with retail, residential, and office. This building would not include an attached garage or podium as it utilizes the existing garage to the west. Let me know what you guys think.
I know you are focused on downtown, but for your next project, consider a shorter version of this built between the Armory and the Grand Ave. viaduct, with pedestrian and street connections from Grand, a parking podium to serve the Metro station, and two or three landscaped public-access terraces down to the Armory street level...mit retail! I think that would be a lot of fun, with lots of opportunities for innovation.
It would really work anywhere, but I'm especially interested in finding innovative ways to create a streetscape along the Grand Ave. viaduct, which would also provide more direct bike, pedestrian, and perhaps even vehicle access, to the neighborhood, street grid, and Metro station below. Think of a continuous bike/walking trail winding down a series of sloped terraces from Grand Ave. to Scott Ave., for example, with retail and landscaped public space on each level...Elek.borrelli wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2021Maybe in this conceptual land, people actually utilize existing public transit! I will look into a midtown location all though it will be harder without the free models of existing buildings. A scaled-down version of this would also be great in the Cortex.urbanitas wrote: ↑Jan 29, 2021Very nice. Though, like Framer said, this will need a lot of parking, or the surrounding garages will never go away. I think this type of mixed-use stacked building is ideal for a parking podium as well, just design it to be convertible to some other use in a decade or so...Elek.borrelli wrote: ↑Jan 28, 2021Alright here is the final rendering of "One Kiener Plaza":
This took forever so I hope everyone likes it! It is mixed-use with retail, residential, and office. This building would not include an attached garage or podium as it utilizes the existing garage to the west. Let me know what you guys think.
I know you are focused on downtown, but for your next project, consider a shorter version of this built between the Armory and the Grand Ave. viaduct, with pedestrian and street connections from Grand, a parking podium to serve the Metro station, and two or three landscaped public-access terraces down to the Armory street level...mit retail! I think that would be a lot of fun, with lots of opportunities for innovation.
And this would in turn, also help connect both the Steelcote area, the Armory, and Iron Hill to each other, and connect them all to the Foundry area and SLU campus to the north.
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I wonder if the owner would be willing to sell the East garage for much less if the new building leased from the other one. More renders because why not.
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This is what I think infill should look like in North City. Yes, vinyl siding is far from ideal, but I think that in some scenarios, it can be made to look good. Here is a complete block of 3-story row houses just North of Downtown. These homes would be much more economical for developers to construct than full brick infill and would bring some much-needed density and color to these neighborhoods. These specific homes would be around 1,900 square feet and would start at around $200,000. I could see infill similar to this going up across North City in neighborhoods such as Grand Center, Old North, Hyde Park, or Carr / Columbus Square. There are examples of vinyl Victorians in other cities such as San Francisco, and I think that this infill could complement existing buildings.
^Are you sure you mean vinyl siding? I've never seen an example of vinyl siding which is aesthetically acceptable.
Maybe you mean fiber cement board? Still not great, but it doesn't have the waviness issues.
Maybe you mean fiber cement board? Still not great, but it doesn't have the waviness issues.
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^ Sure! Not quite sure of the difference. Same with Hardie Board. It's all the same to me lol
