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PostSep 22, 2005#1

I just wanted to get some opinions of the recent placing of those concrete barriers things we all know and love along some of St. Louis's venerable side streets.



The Dutchtown/Gravois Park/Benton Park West areas to the southeast of Gravois have seemingly been inundated with these obtrusive structures. Our street grid is being made ever less traversable. I attempted to drive home today from SLU to my house by way of the state streets. Yes, it's out of my way, but I just wanted to drive down some of them for a little architectural tour on my way home. I tried this just two nights ago as well. You cannot follow an entire north-south street for too long before you run into a barrier or a sudden change of direction in the street (i.e., from one-way north to one-way south).



I know why this is done--but I really don't think it does as much as for a city as government officials and angry residents think it does.



Steve Patterson on Urban Review St. Louis cites the St. Louis street grid as one of the city's greatest assets. Sometimes, I just have to ask, what street grid?



Any truly ritzy City neighborhood has already employed any number of grid-killing tactics for reasons of neighborhood safety and quiet.



The Central West End is littered with streets featuring amazing private residences. A lot of the CWE is essentially a gated community, some with black cast-iron gates. I know that this is more of a historical feature of this neighborhood, as the affluent St. Louisans of the late 19th and early 20th centuries established private residences here. Nevertheless, much of the CWE is exclusively residential for that reason.



Several other more upscale neighborhoods that border "shady" areas have had closed-off streets for years. The West End, Tower Grove East, Shaw, to name a few, all have streets that don't connect. Drive down Tower Grove Ave. just east of the Missouri Botanical Garden and you will see that the large homes on Flora Place and other Shaw streets don't connect to Tower Grove Ave. at all. There are abundant examples of neighborhoods trying to stratify themselves on a block-by-block basis for the purposes of preservation of large, upscale homes. Even St. Louis University, home to some 6,000 undergraduate students for the better part of the year, placed iron gates around its campus.



The Tiffany neighborhood just east of troubled McRee Town set up barriers along 39th street that I believe are still in place. And Tiffany is not exactly a thriving area itself. Similarly, the north side neighborhood of Hyde Park, whose long-reigning alderman I had the pleasure of speaking to for a school project, has, according to Mr. Bosley, benefited from the placing of these barriers all around the neighborhood, including Hyde Park proper.



Further, a drive down any part of St. Louis near an interstate--where the street grid has obviously been thrown into complete disarray--can be quite frustrating if you don't know the dead ends. Along I-55, for example, the neighborhoods adjacent to the interstate are hopelessly sliced up. Click here for just one example. (It should be a map of the area around Bates and I-55. Just look at the side streets to the north and south.)



The barrier technique that is taking over the South Side probably does make streets quieter and less traveled. But how does this affect our city as a whole? With such a maze of cut-off streets, we're at risk of being compared to labyrinthine suburbia. We're a city, people. Crime is not shipped in entirely through cars. In fact, cutting off significant vehicular traffic from a street may lead to a more abandoned and less safe street than before. We all seem to stress that most developments need on-street parking and through traffic. This generally refers to business or mixed-use ventures. But why should an urban neighborhood, which, in my opinion, should presumably be open to mixed uses such as corner stores, be any different?



Not to mention, these barriers are ugly. At least private streets in Shaw and the CWE are ornate, completed with gardens and benches in some instances. In these troubled areas where barriers are considered temporary panaceas, I suppose people will settle for such uninspiring and imposing structures.



And so, I ask you all...



Will the destruction of our street grid have any repercussions on any potential future revival of some of these areas that want to seal themselves off from crime? Do residents really feel these barriers are necessary? Should a public right-of-way be sacrificed for private owners by way of placement of an unsightly barrier? Am I totally off-base?



P.S....something I forgot to include in my original post. The Northhampton and Southampton neighborhoods are structurally more or less entirely intact and so are their street grids. I believe the Hill and Dogtown are fairly grid-friendly as well, though each might have one or two barriers and a couple convoluted streets. My point is that it seems neighborhoods that have remained completely stable since their inception, such as N'hampton and S'hampton, are least susceptible to this barricading/privatizing of streets. Of course, that makes sense. They have low incidence of crime and border other relatively stable neighborhoods. I just wanted to throw that observation out there as well.

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PostSep 23, 2005#2

Well, other than the fact that i really don't like it when streets are blocked off, I can see for crime reasons why people in some areas that are bordered by sketchy areas would want to block off the traffic. However at the same time I wonder if that doesn't make those border lands more open to crime beacuse of less traffic. In the end, I don't know that i have a problem with them as a temporary solultion, however, if an ajoning area improves, those barriers need to be taken out. For example, as the area east of the CWE improves, there is no reason that many of those gates shouldn't come down.

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PostSep 25, 2005#3

The ghetto barriers are making a mess of our neighborhoods. Every street should be two-way and unobstructed. Right now we have the St. Louis Police department making urban policy by recommending these barriers to control crime.



They claim the "temporary" barriers are effective in reducing crime but I have a different theory. First, the barriers once placed are not temporary. If that block does quiet down the residents will insist they stay in place long after problems have been fixed. At that point you may get increased crime because of the barriers not allowing the grid to work - more eyes on the street is safer.



The barriers scream "ghetto" and while you might reduce the immediate problem crime on a certain block I'd argue that overall they lower the perception of the entire neighborhood. So you improve a few blocks for a year but spend the next 15 years trying to undue even more damage.



The West End is a good example of the ghetto barrier becoming a barrier to renovation. Reinvestment in neigbhorhoods will happen up to the barrier but nobody is willing to leap frog over the barrier and rehab a house on the "wrong" side.



The good thing about being on my bicycle & scooter is I can ignore the ghetto barriers (although perhaps not legally?). What I can't ignore are the one-way streets. Last night I was coming home on my scooter at nearly midnight and turned left on Osage from Southbound Grand in a dedicated left turn lane. In one block I'm faced with a one-way street. My two choices are turn back to Grand or turn North for two blocks. I did the latter but it added to my distance traveled and time spent. Now that I know it I can turn left two blocks earlier.



On my scooter I often use the grid to get from A to B. In some places I'm easily able to get through but in many areas, mostly East of Grand, we've done a number on the grid and it is a challenge to get from place to place without making a number of jogs to navigate through barriers and one-way streets. This is not inviting to the middle class families we want to attract to these areas.



Ghetto barriers and one-way streets can easily be reversed although politically that is easier said than done. It is the highways and other major changes to the grid that make it difficult to use the street system.

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PostSep 25, 2005#4

Urban Review St. Louis wrote:Every street should be two-way and unobstructed.


I would agree with this statement, but I would like to qualify it. One-way streets are always annoying and unnecessary, in my opinion. One part of my own neighborhood (Bevo) has three one-way streets headed in the same direction--all right in a row. This defeats the purpose of the grid.



However, if we could even restore some sort of a sensible pattern in the one-way streets, I'd be happier. One street is west-only traffic, the next one east, the next west, next east and so on. AND WORST OF ALL is the changes in direction of the one-way street from one block to the next. If you don't pay careful attention while driving/biking/scootering, you'll be headed up a block that has suddenly switched direction on you (and one that is probably wide enough to support two-way traffic...).



Plus, Steve's points are completely dead on. Who wants to be on "the wrong side"? What person interested in an urban neighborhood like Benton Park West won't opt for Benton Park's more intact grid, devoid of "ghetto barriers" instead? Why seal off future potential for redevelopment?

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PostSep 25, 2005#5

My street almost was reversed a few years ago after some enterprising residents though it would be a good idea to reduce traffic, since Lindenwood before Macklind is used as a cut through to avoid Chippewa. I was the first one to raise the point of the backward street problem stopping the flow and making people go well out of their way. After I and another resident voiced our concerns, many other people joined in opposition, and the self-centered residents lost. There is not really too much traffic, although it is more than the adjacent streets. But not enough to need to do anything to curtail it. My alley sometimes has more traffic, because it serves retail and office tenants at one end. Sometimes I think it may have been more to keep some of the "residents" on the next block from coming to ours. Basically trying to fix a problem by being able to ignore it.

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PostSep 26, 2005#6

Overall, I think St Louis's grid needs to be more organized.

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PostSep 27, 2005#7

I smell the formation of an urbanstl-inspired civic group-- the St. Louis Squares (i.e. Grid supporters)?! Who's with me? ;)

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PostSep 27, 2005#8

Yes, please get rid of those barriers. I have always hated them. They do create a right and wrong side that is counterproductive. They don't stop crime. That is a joke. If criminals want to break into your house or car, they will figure out how to drive around the block in the same way honest people do.

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PostSep 27, 2005#9

I think there are other reasons for barriers besides crime. I lived in the 4400 block of Laclede. Laclede is blocked at 4300 and 4600. This allowed kids to ride bikes and play.



Isolationist strategies can really back fire too. Although LaSalle Park is a really nice area, I wouldn't ever buy there because of the feeling of isolation from any of the surrounding neighborhoods. It's confusing and maze-like.

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PostSep 27, 2005#10

Matt wrote:I think there are other reasons for barriers besides crime. I lived in the 4400 block of Laclede. Laclede is blocked at 4300 and 4600. This allowed kids to ride bikes and play.


But is that the reason there are barriers--or just a somewhat positive reaction to them?

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PostJul 02, 2020#11

More ruination of the street grid
B.B. #91 – Hubbard - An ordinance recommended by the Board of Public Service to conditionally vacate above surface, surface and sub-surface rights for vehicle, equestrian and pedestrian travel in Montgomery from Glasgow eastwardly to a point previously vacated by Ordinance 66616 and the 15 foot wide north/south alley in City Block 1897 beginning at Montgomery and extending to a point previously vacated by Ordinance 66616 in the City of St. Louis, Missouri, as hereinafter described, in accordance with Charter authority, and in conformity with Section l4 of Article XXI of the Charter and imposing certain conditions on such vacation.
B.B. #43 - Bosley - An ordinance recommended by the Board of Public Service to conditionally vacate above surface, surface and sub-surface rights for vehicle, equestrian and pedestrian travel in Elliott from North Market northwardly to a point previously vacated by Ordinance 67779 and Leffingwell from North Market northwardly 265.02 feet to a point previously vacated by Ordinance 65271 in the City of St. Louis, Missouri, as hereinafter described, in accordance with Charter authority, and in conformity with Section l4 of Article XXI of the Charter and imposing certain conditions on such vacation. 
B.B. #69 – Davis - An ordinance recommended by the Board of Public Service to conditionally vacate above surface, surface and sub-surface rights for vehicle, equestrian and pedestrian travel in 20 foot wide east/west alley in City Block 941 as bounded by Dr. Martin Luther King Drive, 19th St., Delmar Blvd. and 20th St. in the City of St. Louis, Missouri, as hereinafter described, in accordance with Charter authority, and in conformity with Section l4 of Article XXI of the Charter and imposing certain conditions on such vacation. 

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PostJul 02, 2020#12

I'm not that concerned about these.  They're are all just west of the NGA site, and we can't expect to maintain the entire street grid when the city's population is declining.  

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PostJul 02, 2020#13

I've been wondering what's happening with the alley behind the new apartments at Pershing and DeBaliviere. Looks like the footprint will eliminate the north - south section. 


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PostJul 02, 2020#14

It's being moved to the east of the property.

PostJan 16, 2021#15

Infuriating. When they blocked the streets for cars, I said nothing. Then they blocked the streets for me.

nextstl - Exclusion City #HealTheGrid

Clara at Delmar West.jpg (1.05MiB)


https://nextstl.com/2021/01/exclusion-city-healthegrid/

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PostJan 16, 2021#16

Who authorized and paid for this?

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PostJan 16, 2021#17

the appropriate response is bolt cutters.

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PostJan 16, 2021#18

^ I mean...you're not wrong.

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PostJan 17, 2021#19

Anther passes unanimously
01/15/21 BB 147
Closure of Vernon Ave. at Kingshighway Blvd.
29Ayes 0Noes

PostJan 17, 2021#20

JFC


PostJan 17, 2021#21

This is the doing of the DeBaliviere Place SBD. Since when do SBDs have the power to block streets?

PostJan 17, 2021#22

Nextstl - Street Barricades: Urban Scourge or Opportunity for a Bikeable St. Louis?


https://nextstl.com/2021/01/schoemehl-p ... -st-louis/

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PostJan 17, 2021#23

^Baloney. Arbitrary street barricades are a scourge and nothing but a scourge. Of course, they need to allow bikers to get through, but let's not pretend an inefficient street grid is going to somehow get people out of their cars and onto bikes. 

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PostJan 17, 2021#24

Can we take those bolt cutters to the closure of the Delmar MetroLink Station entrance as well? 

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PostJan 17, 2021#25

People are selfish and want to benefit their street at expense to others.

It’s the job of city leaders and the streets department to stand up for everyone’s equal right to use our publicly funded streets and sidewalks.

And if blocked streets really are god-sent solutions to our problems then lets see how these self-centered folks would feel about blocking all of them.

Maybe someday someone like the ACLU would sue to face off with this blatant hypocrisy and inequity. Rationalizing what is fundamentally wrong does not make it right.

This is obviously a trigger issue for me.

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