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Can anyone sum up some of the net positives the current CID has implemented for the greater Downtown area? Obviously the loft boom was great for Downtown.  But that momentum built has seemed to slow (ignoring the compounding effects of Covid, perception of BPV business poaching, etc., etc.).

It should also boil down to the BoA as well.  7th ward has some of the highest per captiva incomes and dense property values in the City, yeah?

bwcrow1s wrote: ↑

Sep 16, 2020

Can anyone sum up some of the net positives the current CID has implemented for the greater Downtown area? Obviously the loft boom was great for Downtown.  But that momentum built has seemed to slow (ignoring the compounding effects of Covid, perception of BPV business poaching, etc., etc.).

It should also boil down to the BoA as well.  7th ward has some of the highest per captiva incomes and dense property values in the City, yeah?

Biggest thing the CID accomplishment that couldn’t have been done without it is the Arcade building- it was a very complex financial structure.

Other things they’ve advocated for- city garden, kiener plaza re do.

Things they’ve failed- spending $100,000 on garment district- which ironically is what the backers of the new cid are pushing for. It’s dumb, there won’t be a garment district ever.

They also wasted money on the microtransit - then let it fail

I don’t know when they have their secondary police patrol (I got to bed at 10pm 7days a week) but I never see them out.

^what is (was to be) the "gourmet" district?

robertn42 wrote: ↑

Sep 16, 2020

^what is (was to be) the "gourmet" district?

(Fixed the typo)

https://downtownstl.org/garmentdistrict/

Downtown CID put in a $100,000 for another STUDY, to develop and brand? A garment district on Washington Ave from 15th to Tucker i think.   Since that announced the anchor of the said district as decided to close down its Washington Ave HQ (fashion fund)
but there are still 3 businesses on that stretch from Tucker to 16th that do sell clothes

robertn42 wrote: ↑

Sep 16, 2020

^what is (was to be) the "gourmet" district?

I'd be curious to see that one!

kipfilet wrote: ↑

Sep 16, 2020

robertn42 wrote: ↑

Sep 16, 2020

^what is (was to be) the "gourmet" district?

I'd be curious to see that one!

I think that one is called City Foundry (if it ever opens) 

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Sep 17, 2020

None of this is interesting or surprising. It’s pretty predictable.  Covid has reduced the police’s interaction with people, it’s emptied urban centers like downtowns with people working from home or not working at all (still 13,000,000 out of work), no events happening, kids out of school = more time to get into trouble. Covid has created a perfect vacuum for criminal activity.

In a normal end of sept you would have 200,000 people in downtown stl.  50,000 for cards playoff game, 20,000 at blues game, 90,000 workers & 40,000 at union station/city museum/arch/convention/concert at Stifel.   Now you’re removed almost all of that, less eyes on the streets = easy time to car jack or rob someone

This exactly.  It's also why we have to continue to develop downtown into a mixed-used neighborhood with a robust residential population.  The growth we've seen since the early 2000's is great, but we need to quickly grow the 11,000 to 20,000+

Nobody on this forum is willing to admit that having virtually no law enforcement has led to more crime and more dead black people and a lower quality of life all around? It's all Covid and Trump's fault? I have some news for you. Outside of the faculty lounge even white liberal city folk and the vast majority of black people realize that having virtually no law enforcement is not a great idea. You can go ahead and keep believing it's all Covid and Trump's fault but just know that you are in the extreme minority with that opinion.

^Yep. Actually, I'm really scared that this nation-wide crime wave is gonna get Trump re-elected. People are fed up, and are ready for a return to law-and-order.   

One Cafe and Market is moving into the long empty space at 1007 Wash Ave

^ it’s really sad that anyone actually believes trump cares about law and order. The last four years have been a campaign to him. He’s only lead when it’s benefited himself.


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GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:One Cafe and Market is moving into the long empty space at 1007 Wash Ave

The Dorsa space? Will be nice to finally have that retail space occupied. It always caught my eye with the green facade around it.

framer wrote: ↑

Sep 18, 2020

^Yep. Actually, I'm really scared that this nation-wide crime wave is gonna get Trump re-elected. People are fed up, and are ready for a return to law-and-order.   

We are about to lose our 200,000th person due to covid by Sunday or Monday and October will start with massive layoffs due to PPP loan forgiveness kicking in. Despite the fringe voters getting all the attention, most voters are rational and realize that Trump doesn’t play a role in solving any problem this country faces.

^With friends like those... 

^ it’s a odd mindset especially since most police and people who have hard ons about more police believe in broken window policing of stopping small crimes to prevent big ones.  If that City cop that shot and killed the other cop while on duty in a coke induced game of Russian roulette was turned in by his partner for being a coke head a week before officer Alix would be alive today

Criminals are emboldened due to law enforcement being hands off due to Covid, an anti police environment, and criminal justice system reform in larger cities. They simply know they can get away with things without consequences for their actions. It’s that simple.

So criminal justice reform is bad?
You remind me on Trump “Biden’s crime bill was too tough on criminals and that’s why Biden is weak on crime”.

I’m lost.

What does Trump, Chicago and Hate Crimes have to do with anything about Downtown St. Louis? This should all be in a political thread because I really don’t see why it’s in this thread in particular.

chriss752 wrote: ↑

Sep 19, 2020

I’m lost.

What does Trump, Chicago and Hate Crimes have to do with anything about Downtown St. Louis? This should all be in a political thread because I really don’t see why it’s in this thread in particular.

Re Chicago: Because many residents talk about everything that happens in the city of St. Louis as if it's an isolated case, something unique to this city, or just a recent occurrence. This is in part because they have no perspective, as they have never lived in or even spent much time in other cities, or only became aware of everything urban in the last few years or so. But everything that happens downtown, or the rest of the city, is part of long-term nationwide trends (although St. Louis is usually about a decade behind most trends ).

Chicago is something of a case study, because it has experienced all the extremes unlike any other city, and still does today. It's also a place with which most St. Louisans are at least somewhat familiar.

The rest is due to a handful of political operatives, who are deliberately injecting politics into every forum and thread (see Butler Brothers thread) for whatever reason.

^ironically the BB thread was going smoothly until Chris interjected climate change and possible migration patterns.

urbanitas wrote: ↑

Sep 19, 2020

chriss752 wrote: ↑

Sep 19, 2020

I’m lost.

What does Trump, Chicago and Hate Crimes have to do with anything about Downtown St. Louis? This should all be in a political thread because I really don’t see why it’s in this thread in particular.

Re Chicago: Because many residents talk about everything that happens in the city of St. Louis as if it's an isolated case, something unique to this city, or just a recent occurrence. This is in part because they have no perspective, as they have never lived in or even spent much time in other cities, or only became aware of everything urban in the last few years or so. But everything that happens downtown, or the rest of the city, is part of long-term nationwide trends (although St. Louis is usually about a decade behind most trends ).

Chicago is something of a case study, because it has experienced all the extremes unlike any other city, and still does today. It's also a place with which most St. Louisans are at least somewhat familiar.

The rest is due to a handful of political operatives, who are deliberately injecting politics into every forum and thread (see Butler Brothers thread) for whatever reason.

At the risk of further derailing this thread, is Chicago really representative of extremes? St Louis, Detroit ,or even Cleveland seem to have undergone many more extremes than Chicago (population loss, urban decay, crime, etc)

kipfilet wrote: ↑

Sep 19, 2020

At the risk of further derailing this thread, is Chicago really representative of extremes? St Louis, Detroit ,or even Cleveland seem to have undergone many more extremes than Chicago (population loss, urban decay, crime, etc)

Population loss would be the exception, but it owns all the other extremes.

Extreme wealth disparity. Extreme violent crime. Extreme drug trade. Extreme corruption. Extreme segregation. Extreme organized crime. Extreme gang activity. Extreme policing. Extreme authoritarian mayor. Extreme patronage/cronyism. Extreme decay. Extreme development boom. Extreme tourism and convention growth.

Almost everything that admirers and visitors highlight about the city didn't exist two decades ago. Well over $100 billion in construction in that time. It's almost all very close to downtown, and it was all heavily subsidized.  But meanwhile, large parts of the south and west sides have decayed to the point that they are beginning to resemble north St. Louis.