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Is it bad that I think that looks awesome? No, actually I feel really bad for people living in the bay area
The pictures are incredible.
Not that this comes close to anything people there are experiencing, but a factory in Oregon that's making something for my work has shut down in deference to employee's safety. IOW, the impact on the economy is far reaching.
Not that this comes close to anything people there are experiencing, but a factory in Oregon that's making something for my work has shut down in deference to employee's safety. IOW, the impact on the economy is far reaching.
St. Louis needs to get one of these...
Just need to find a couple billion dollars lying around.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transbay_Transit_Center
First thing I thought was it looked like a more elaborate, raised Gateway Mall.DTGstl314 wrote: ↑Sep 14, 2020St. Louis needs to get one of these...
Just need to find a couple billion dollars lying around.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transbay_Transit_Center
I want a central business district that is so dense that you need to have elevated parks because there isn't sufficient space at ground level for such things. There's a whole bustling transit center underneath that massive 5 city block long rooftop park. And it really hugs a bunch of new 600+ foot skyscrapers. Beautiful. It feels similar to the High Line in NYC.
Also... I don't think the TTC is a parking garage at all. It's also a lot more than a "bus depot" - it's a fully functioning intermodal transit hub. It's somewhat akin to Calatrava's WTC transit hub in NYC in terms of its interior architecture and amenities.
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Reminds me more of St. Louis Centre (sky-bridges included) than anything by Calatrava:
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Also, it's not a "fully functioning intramodal transit hub" as that would require more than one mode of transit. It's a bus station, plain and simple, with a mall.
I don't think having an enormous 5 block long elevated bus station / mall with a park on top of it in the middle of Downtown would benefit St. Louis in any way.
Also, it's not a "fully functioning intramodal transit hub" as that would require more than one mode of transit. It's a bus station, plain and simple, with a mall.
I don't think having an enormous 5 block long elevated bus station / mall with a park on top of it in the middle of Downtown would benefit St. Louis in any way.
I suppose this sort of looks like St. Louis Centre, too (sky-bridges included)...wabash wrote: ↑Sep 14, 2020Reminds me more of St. Louis Centre (sky-bridges included) than anything by Calatrava:
Also, it's not a "fully functioning intramodal transit hub" as that would require more than one mode of transit. It's a bus station, plain and simple, with a mall.
I don't think having an enormous 5 block long elevated bus station / mall with a park on top of it in the middle of Downtown would benefit St. Louis in any way.
The San Francisco TTC is going to have a train terminal eventually.
And I still love it. But to each their own.
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The intention is to have a multi-modal transit center eventually, but . . . at the moment it's a bus depot with a parking garage. TheDTGstl314 wrote: ↑Sep 14, 2020I want a central business district that is so dense that you need to have elevated parks because there isn't sufficient space at ground level for such things. There's a whole bustling transit center underneath that massive 5 city block long rooftop park. And it really hugs a bunch of new 600+ foot skyscrapers. Beautiful. It feels similar to the High Line in NYC.
Also... I don't think the TTC is a parking garage at all. It's also a lot more than a "bus depot" - it's a fully functioning intermodal transit hub. It's somewhat akin to Calatrava's WTC transit hub in NYC in terms of its interior architecture and amenities.
"train box" in the basement is still empty and unfinished. No tunnels. No tracks. No idea when they will come. Further, the new station replaces a quite handsome art deco structure of similar size and function, though at least it actually had functioning rail service for the first twenty years of its existence or so. Even had a fairly good shopping arcade for an interurban station in the thirties.
In a lot of ways the thing seems emblematic of excess to me and a sheer disregard for history. Or the efficient use of public funds. I suppose if this were new-build in St. Louis I'd probably be lauding it, but it's essentially replacing San Francisco's equivalent of the IT depot/Globe Democrat building minus the office tower. It's not a cost-free bit of starchitecture replacing empty land. It comes at a price I don't care to pay. And it's . . . so very speculative. At the moment it's something of an albatross. It's sort of infamous for its cost overruns. Kind of the KroenkeDome of transit. They've already had to spend a lot of money fixing structural problems, and they've never even cut the tunnel into the basement for the whole one mile commuter rail extension they used to sell the thing.
What sky-bridges on Calatrava's work are you referring to? One of these things is not like the other:DTGstl314 wrote: ↑Sep 14, 2020I suppose this sort of looks like St. Louis Centre, too (sky-bridges included)...
SF:
STL:
NYC:
What Symphonicpoet stated is right on the money. Until the Caltrans tracks are extended from 4th street station and capacity upgrades via electrification and new trainsets are completed it is one of the most expensive bus barns you will find. The cost overruns ate up any funds that was even hinted for the train tunnel. On top of that, some real money will need to be spent to extend HSR from Central Valley to South Bay if Transbay is even to come close to truly meeting its potential. Even then when all said and done San Fran is hoping & praying that the tech workforce returns; Twitter put more space up for sublease, Pinterest canceled a major commitment, etc.symphonicpoet wrote: ↑Sep 15, 2020The intention is to have a multi-modal transit center eventually, but . . . at the moment it's a bus depot with a parking garage. TheDTGstl314 wrote: ↑Sep 14, 2020I want a central business district that is so dense that you need to have elevated parks because there isn't sufficient space at ground level for such things. There's a whole bustling transit center underneath that massive 5 city block long rooftop park. And it really hugs a bunch of new 600+ foot skyscrapers. Beautiful. It feels similar to the High Line in NYC.
Also... I don't think the TTC is a parking garage at all. It's also a lot more than a "bus depot" - it's a fully functioning intermodal transit hub. It's somewhat akin to Calatrava's WTC transit hub in NYC in terms of its interior architecture and amenities.
"train box" in the basement is still empty and unfinished. No tunnels. No tracks. No idea when they will come. Further, the new station replaces a quite handsome art deco structure of similar size and function, though at least it actually had functioning rail service for the first twenty years of its existence or so. Even had a fairly good shopping arcade for an interurban station in the thirties.
In a lot of ways the thing seems emblematic of excess to me and a sheer disregard for history. Or the efficient use of public funds. I suppose if this were new-build in St. Louis I'd probably be lauding it, but it's essentially replacing San Francisco's equivalent of the IT depot/Globe Democrat building minus the office tower. It's not a cost-free bit of starchitecture replacing empty land. It comes at a price I don't care to pay. And it's . . . so very speculative. At the moment it's something of an albatross. It's sort of infamous for its cost overruns. Kind of the KroenkeDome of transit. They've already had to spend a lot of money fixing structural problems, and they've never even cut the tunnel into the basement for the whole one mile commuter rail extension they used to sell the thing.
In the meantime, Feds FTA $1.2 billion grant to BART for transbay corridor improvement for new trainsets, upgraded train controls and new power substations will deliver 47% capacity increase to the transbay tunnel. Nuts and bolts transit investment with serious upside for Bay Area Transit community
https://www.progressiverailroading.com/ ... nts--61573
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Right. One of these things had a real return on largely private investment and provided a useful service to ordinary people. The other two are art projects that use public money to make rich people feel better about their empty lives.
And the interior of the Calatrava really does remind me a bit of St. Louis Center's interior, which was quite sexy when it was new. It's not really fair to compare the least flattering shot of one thing to the most flattering shot of the other.
Yep.symphonicpoet wrote: ↑Sep 16, 2020Right. One of these things had a real return on largely private investment and provided a useful service to ordinary people. The other two are art projects that use public money to make rich people feel better about their empty lives.
And the interior of the Calatrava really does remind me a bit of St. Louis Center's interior, which was quite sexy when it was new. It's not really fair to compare the least flattering shot of one thing to the most flattering shot of the other.
^ I would say the Art project in New York embraces its function of being an end point of a major transit line and went with the good ol grand hall feel of yesterday. Especially if you had the chance to go in and out of cramped underground Penn Station a few times. The Art project in San Fran seems to have tried too hard with its park on top of a mall. Somehow feel that Transbay rooftop park would have been better with simply more plain grass and less park amenities.
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^I have in fact had that opportunity. And making it better is . . . nice. But fixing the tunnels is much more important. (Many orders of magnitude of much.) And it bothers me greatly that we are spending enormous sums of public money on making stations look better when we can't seem to spend a damn dime on actually fixing the tracks that lead in and out of them. Seriously misplaced priorities.
Moscow built the world's most luxurious subway system while millions of peasants were starving to death in Ukraine.
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^It's times like this that inspired people like Stravinsky to always keep a packed suitcase with a current passport and a substantial amount of cash close to hand.
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Yeah, I've heard San Francisco is really struggling right now.
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being a one trick pony means that when that pony gets knee capped once a while you will struggle but SF will be fine as the new pony is AI
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It looks like people are actually moving back to San Francisco (really)
There’s a big sign that San Francisco may be making a comeback.
https://www.vox.com/recode/2023/1/18/23542444/san-francisco-bay-area-population-moving-linkedin
There’s a big sign that San Francisco may be making a comeback.
https://www.vox.com/recode/2023/1/18/23542444/san-francisco-bay-area-population-moving-linkedin
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If you look at SF rental prices you will notice it has dropped to the point where it's almost affordable. Highly considering it for maybe a year. Not worried about crime at all.
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[St. Louisan] Tech executive Bob Lee, founder of Cash App, dead after apparent stabbing attack in San Franciscoleeharveyawesome wrote: ↑Apr 06, 2023If you look at SF rental prices you will notice it has dropped to the point where it's almost affordable. Highly considering it for maybe a year. Not worried about crime at all.