Demo and utility cut off permits filed and some already issuedldai_phs wrote: ↑May 26, 20203. Ashland at River Market (streetcar adjacent):
The project is finally moving forward. The new construction plan permit fees paid today.
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Diode Ventures data center advances to City Council.
If fully built out, it will be one of the largest data centers in the world. Aside from the 300 to 500 jobs created, what are the indirect benefits of such sprawling structures? Do data centers help attract new businesses to a region?
Link: (beware paywall) https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... s_headline
If fully built out, it will be one of the largest data centers in the world. Aside from the 300 to 500 jobs created, what are the indirect benefits of such sprawling structures? Do data centers help attract new businesses to a region?
Link: (beware paywall) https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... s_headline
Office tech jobs can and often do follow big data centers (my understanding).Loscher94 wrote:Diode Ventures data center advances to City Council.
If fully built out, it will be one of the largest data centers in the world. Aside from the 300 to 500 jobs created, what are the indirect benefits of such sprawling structures? Do data centers help attract new businesses to a region?
Link: (beware paywall) https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/ ... s_headline
This project is going to target larger firms who will buy or long term lease space. Diode isn’t going to be building servers and leasing capacity
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Will be interesting to see if Google kills plans for the data center near Worlds of Fun and uses this facility instead. Is likely this will target the top cloud providers (AWS, Azure, GCP, Oracle, etc) as well as any other growing major service like Facebook and Apple.
Businesses who want low latency/high throughput to a cloud provider might setup shop in markets that have major cloud provider presence. Will be surprising if this doesn't land AWS at some point.
Businesses who want low latency/high throughput to a cloud provider might setup shop in markets that have major cloud provider presence. Will be surprising if this doesn't land AWS at some point.
New $80 to $100 million mixed use project (named Offices at Overlook) proposed for East Side opportunity zone at the corner of Swope Parkway and Chestnut Ave.
First phase of construction (a 3 story 64k sqft office building) scheduled for December 2020.
Total office space: 245k sqft
Apartment space: 155 units
General mixed use: 19k sqft
Developers: Community Builders (CBKC)
Architect: Hufft Projects
First phase of construction (a 3 story 64k sqft office building) scheduled for December 2020.
Total office space: 245k sqft
Apartment space: 155 units
General mixed use: 19k sqft
Developers: Community Builders (CBKC)
Architect: Hufft Projects
^Another rendering of that project and a site plan (although not sure how old) I found on Google. It's a good size project.
Reverb fly through video.
Will Hotel Bravo become reality after all?
The project went before the city council today and apparently gained a super majority of votes (so the developers claim). The property has long been rumored to be a Park Hyatt (potentiality their first Midwest location outside Chicago).
If anyone has a KC Star account to access the full article or could provide more details, I’d greatly appreciate it.
It is interesting to see the city council do a 180 with this project especially with COVID cratering occupancy rates. Even bulwark Theresa Loar supported it this time around. What sorcery did they use?
Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.kansas ... 60892.html
The project went before the city council today and apparently gained a super majority of votes (so the developers claim). The property has long been rumored to be a Park Hyatt (potentiality their first Midwest location outside Chicago).
If anyone has a KC Star account to access the full article or could provide more details, I’d greatly appreciate it.
It is interesting to see the city council do a 180 with this project especially with COVID cratering occupancy rates. Even bulwark Theresa Loar supported it this time around. What sorcery did they use?
Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.kansas ... 60892.html
Project had a press conference today. Developers announced they believe they have a super majority now. Teresa Load (anti downtown, anti incentives, anti new airport) spoke in support of the project.
^ Corruption is what changes people's minds. Give them some money and you got yourself a deal.
I'm glad that it could happen. I actually like it. The design could be tweaked a little but overall, it's a good addition.
I'm glad that it could happen. I actually like it. The design could be tweaked a little but overall, it's a good addition.
Does anyone know what comes next? Has the project essentially been approved?
The project has to go through council committee and legislative session still. This is specter to take place sometime next month. If they have the votes they claim, then yes this will be going shortly.Loscher94 wrote:Does anyone know what comes next? Has the project essentially been approved?
I personally wonder if the change in opinion is tied to KC 2026
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Whataburger is coming to Kansas City (Lee’s Summit) thanks to Patrick Mahomes
https://www.kansascity.com/news/busines ... 69642.html
https://www.kansascity.com/news/busines ... 69642.html
CityScene has a story out on this project this morning. Nothing really new in it besides a rendering. There's no timeline as the project is still on hold due to coronavirus. They could start next year but Fall 2020 was also talked about too.
https://cityscenekc.com/covid-delayed-h ... struction/
Rendering...
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https://cityscenekc.com/covid-delayed-h ... struction/
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2 more Amazon expansions in the work for KC. Another ~1,000,000 sqft for Amazon has been announced so far. This is on top of a busy month for manufacturing and logistics announcements.
Cordish residential has done very well in KC during co-vid.
One Light has gone from 96% full in January to 99% full today. Two Light has the same number of vacancies(4 units) but went from 3 open highest end units to 3 open studios.
One Light has gone from 96% full in January to 99% full today. Two Light has the same number of vacancies(4 units) but went from 3 open highest end units to 3 open studios.
Yet another reason why 3 Light will be successful. One and Two have been very successful and with Downtown KC growing steadily, I see no reason why a 3 Light, and even a 4 Light tower, wouldn't be successful. People want to be in Downtown KC. It's clear to see why.ldai_phs wrote: ↑Jun 26, 2020Cordish residential has done very well in KC during co-vid.
One Light has gone from 96% full in January to 99% full today. Two Light has the same number of vacancies(4 units) but went from 3 open highest end units to 3 open studios.
Every project that is completed (whether it be redevelopment or new construction) adds something to their Downtown. It's becoming more and more vibrant and is becoming more walkable. It's what people want.
When all is said and done, the Power and Light District will remain the most vibrant part of Downtown. On the residential side, you got 3 and 4 Light (maybe even 5 Light) planned as well as the redevelopment of the Midland office building into the Saxon at the Midland. On the office side, you have Strata and WR adding office workers to that area.
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KC is doing a awesome job so much momentum there hopefully our downtown can have the same interest and fate
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We have some hoops to jump through, but I think we will get there. Downtown STL has several significant projects in the works, but we still have vacant buildings to deal with. Some of those buildings don’t have plans. This next decade will prove to be good for both STL and KC though.PlatinumBlues wrote:KC is doing a awesome job so much momentum there hopefully our downtown can have the same interest and fate
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Would you say we are about a decade behind KC in terms of development and downtown/city population growth?chriss752 wrote: ↑Jun 27, 2020We have some hoops to jump through, but I think we will get there. Downtown STL has several significant projects in the works, but we still have vacant buildings to deal with. Some of those buildings don’t have plans. This next decade will prove to be good for both STL and KC though.PlatinumBlues wrote:KC is doing a awesome job so much momentum there hopefully our downtown can have the same interest and fate
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It’s really hard to determine. So I don’t really know how far behind Downtown STL is to Downtown KC. If you want a year range 20-25 years behind unless we leapfrog ahead this next decadethestlguy wrote:Would you say we are about a decade behind KC in terms of development and downtown/city population growth?chriss752 wrote: ↑Jun 27, 2020We have some hoops to jump through, but I think we will get there. Downtown STL has several significant projects in the works, but we still have vacant buildings to deal with. Some of those buildings don’t have plans. This next decade will prove to be good for both STL and KC though.PlatinumBlues wrote:KC is doing a awesome job so much momentum there hopefully our downtown can have the same interest and fate
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I think downtown STL is somewhere around KC in 2000-2005, maybe even the 90s.thestlguy wrote:Would you say we are about a decade behind KC in terms of development and downtown/city population growth?chriss752 wrote: ↑Jun 27, 2020We have some hoops to jump through, but I think we will get there. Downtown STL has several significant projects in the works, but we still have vacant buildings to deal with. Some of those buildings don’t have plans. This next decade will prove to be good for both STL and KC though.PlatinumBlues wrote:KC is doing a awesome job so much momentum there hopefully our downtown can have the same interest and fate
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By the early 2000s, downtown KC already had a lot of condo, retail, and commercial redevelopments going on. Even a few office high rises went up in this period in P&L and Crown Center. Including federal projects, I wouldn’t be surprised if over 2 million sqft of new construction office was delivered then in downtown.
By 2006, Power and Light was completed which is much larger then BPV is even today.
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In some areas, such as BPV, downtown STL is maybe 10 years behind. But in much of the rest they are much farther behind. I agree with Chris that it’s hard to say exactly. Outside of BPV, downtown STL gets a new high rise or sizable redevelopment once every few years or so - similar to KC in the 90s.
I think STL has some interesting activity centers but they
The actual downtown STL neighborhood is behind downtown KC, but the idea that downtown STL today is where KC was in the 90s may be one of the more laughable things I've read here lately and that's really saying something. There was significant historical rehabs, including condo and apartment development in downtown St. Louis in the early 2000s too. Including a new residential high-rise in that period.thestlguy wrote: ↑Jun 27, 2020Would you say we are about a decade behind KC in terms of development and downtown/city population growth?chriss752 wrote: ↑Jun 27, 2020We have some hoops to jump through, but I think we will get there. Downtown STL has several significant projects in the works, but we still have vacant buildings to deal with. Some of those buildings don’t have plans. This next decade will prove to be good for both STL and KC though.PlatinumBlues wrote:KC is doing a awesome job so much momentum there hopefully our downtown can have the same interest and fate
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In terms of overall urban development city wide I wouldn't put St. Louis behind either. I just returned to St. Louis after 12 years in KC and seem to see quite a bit more development happening all over the city around here. KC was basically downtown out to the Plaza or so with the occasional project near the East Side. Never-mind St. Louis' much more urban inner-ring suburbs seeing significant development.
KC on the whole is growing faster, but both city's cores are still shrinking. KC proper only sees population growth because it annexed all those future suburban lands back in the 70s. Almost all of their population growth is in the depressingly suburban Northland. I'd be interested to see what their core population is. I wouldn't be surprised if it's less than 200,000.
Honestly, for two cities with their cores still shedding population, I'd say both have a pretty healthy pipeline of urban development happening.
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Downtown STL was basically left for dead and I don’t believe Downtown KC seen the amount of abandonment and vacancy as STL had/did. Downtown STL has come a very long ways so has KC’s downtown. I think a few more high rises in downtown STL would do wonders for momentum and progress eventually what’s left to rehab will take time but I do think Downtown STL is on the verge for more new high rise development either way both cities are still holding their own when it comes to development. I like your passion for both Chris
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