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Carvana in Richmond Heights

Carvana in Richmond Heights

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PostJan 21, 2020#1

Seriously? Richmond Heights is considering putting one of these hideous things right next to the Galleria? 

https://www.kmov.com/news/car-vending-m ... dQbWO2JAIM


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PostJan 21, 2020#2

^ Sounds like Richmond Heights already shot it down once and Carvana went back to the drawing board on an appeal, as is their right.  Hopefully it gets shot down again.  They tried in Chesterfield and were denied there too.  They should put it in an area with dozens of other car dealers already.

I always thought the south lot of the Galleria would be a nice spot for some attractive infill anyway.  This is not that.

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PostJan 21, 2020#3

Next to the CORTEX grain silos.   

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PostJan 21, 2020#4

Letter to the Editor in last weeks PD:

"The online car retailer Carvana is at it again, but this time they are partnering with the Galleria. Chesterfield successfully blocked the construction of one of their unsightly “car vending machine,” but Richmond Heights is contemplating placing one on the south end of the Galleria parking lot, even though the city’s planning and zoning review board voted it down almost unanimously.

Carvana has appealed. Neighbors are dismayed to say the least. The city stands not to benefit from a tax standpoint. Many code variances would be required, yet the developers persist despite vocal protest from citizens."

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PostJan 21, 2020#5

Hi. Not sure you could find someone who hates cars more than I do. I think these look kind of cool. 
Yes, it shouldn't be taking up land otherwise ripe for urban development. And I want apartments and offices lining Brentwood Blvd in front of the Galleria more than any one but that's not happening any time soon. If you think they're ugly then oppose it, be my guest, but not everyone thinks they're ugly. I even think they have some cool potential. 

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PostJan 21, 2020#6

^ I actually agree about the look. There is one right off 35 highway just outside downtown KC in a light industrial area. It does look pretty cool.

Honestly, dredger’s idea isn’t terrible maybe around some light industrial area in the central corridor. Maybe take some of Ameren’s overflow space around 18th and Gratiot. The Galleria just seems like an odd place for something like this.

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PostJan 21, 2020#7

Carvana wants these to be in high visibility locations that can bee seen from the highway so from Carvana's perspective the Galleria lot makes a lot of sense. Also when it comes to car dealerships you can do a lot worse than a vertical tower. 

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PostJan 22, 2020#8

I've driven by the one in Nashville several times. I always liked it, but I get why some don't. I don't think this is an awful spot for it. Doesn't take up a ton of room. I am sure there are better places but I don't hate it there. 

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PostJan 22, 2020#9

sc4mayor wrote:
Jan 21, 2020
^ I actually agree about the look.  There is one right off 35 highway just outside downtown KC in a light industrial area.  It does look pretty cool.

Honestly, dredger’s idea isn’t terrible maybe around some light industrial area in the central corridor.  Maybe take some of Ameren’s overflow space around 18th and Gratiot.  The Galleria just seems like an odd place for something like this.
I standby my suggestion.   It's vertical design would compliment the CORTEX silos and thus not stick out like a sore thumb, won't take up much of a foot print as sc4mayor noted, high visiblity from freeway with plenty of workers and growing workforce nearby.  Gives the perception that space is at premium so it has to sell cars on vertical structure in an areas that wants to become more dense not less versus another big surburban St. Louis car lot.  On top of that, it pays some respects to the area's past light and heavy industrial development and might be a nice tax revenue generator for the city.  Heck, Cortex has an Ikea of all things.  So why not? 

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PostJan 22, 2020#10

I think y'all have been drinkin' the Kool-Aid. 

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PostJan 22, 2020#11

I don't hate the design at all. I hope they find an area in St. Louis to build. 

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PostJan 22, 2020#12

A few thoughts - Carvana obviously wants to be next to 64/40 for the marketing visibility and because they most likely believe these areas fit their target demographic best.  There's so much empty parking lot space south of the Galleria that I don't see how this would really hurt that area.  It's not as if there's dozens of urban proposals for these spaces that will be blocked by this.  If anything, I'd prefer it be built on the Galleria parking lot to limit the possibility that they might try to put it in or near Cortex.    

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PostJan 22, 2020#13

Aesthetically it isn't the worst thing in the world, but in ten years we'll probably be driving down 40 shaking our head as we look at a rusted out 8-story empty glass tube because the gimmick of a "car vending machine" ran its course.

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PostJan 22, 2020#14

^Exactly! 

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PostJan 22, 2020#15

^^ Probably why it’s a good thing Richmond Heights is requiring a fund be set aside for demolition should it go out of business.

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PostJan 22, 2020#16

Good strategy by Richmond Heights, although I'd wager against the tenant actually setting money aside in a separate fund or escrow. They'll probably just put language into writing and then when Carvana goes bankrupt the cost of demo will immediately go to the back of the collections line.