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21C Museum Hotels - St. Louis

It says projected opening is late 2020.

Another hotel? Guess it's good to see demand has been keeping up as available rooms have multiplied.

I will be staying in one of these in Oklahoma City around Christmas.  The web site looks fantastic.  It's a contemporary art museum and a hotel.  Nice if this could spur a new art district in Downtown West. https://www.21cmuseumhotels.com

Angad Arts Hotel was loosely based on 21c precedents. IMO, AAH has a more unique hotel experience. Curious to see how this 21c will compete. 

I have been reading where Larry Rice is petitioning again to reopen his shelter. I wonder how much of the current surge of investment in the area would not have happened if the city had not closed it down initially? Would hate to see the momentum be lost because of his misguided good intentions.

southcitygent wrote: ↑

Nov 30, 2019

I have been reading where Larry Rice is petitioning again to reopen his shelter. I wonder how much of the current surge of investment in the area would not have happened if the city had not closed it down initially? Would hate to see the momentum be lost because of his misguided good intentions.

In his interview with Elliott Davis on Facebook, Larry Rice is saying that nearby developers and the Mayor are keeping him closed down. My guess is that the developers are the NuovoRE (21c Hotel), Fe Equus (The Last Hotel), Reimagine Hospitality (Shell Building), Alterra Worldwide (Jefferson Arms), and Matt Masiel (Tire Mart and Board of Elections Building). There are probably others, including building owners. So Larry Rice wants people to vote on this so that it doesn't get overturned, at least that's what I made of it. 

Not really sure why we're naming individuals here in reaction to the ramblings of Larry Rice. Even if developers have played a role in the forced closing of the NLEC shelter, they didn't have to try very hard. The shelter was a disaster. Their homeless services mostly consisted of throwing bibles at people. I'd like to see a list of developers that have tried to close St. Patrick Center, I'm guessing it's a really really short list. 

aprice wrote: ↑

Dec 02, 2019

Not really sure why we're naming individuals here in reaction to the ramblings of Larry Rice. Even if developers have played a role in the forced closing of the NLEC shelter, they didn't have to try very hard. The shelter was a disaster. Their homeless services mostly consisted of throwing bibles at people. I'd like to see a list of developers that have tried to close St. Patrick Center, I'm guessing it's a really really short list. 

Exactly.  Larry is/was/and will always be a nuisance to the homeless, residents and businesses.  His operation violated a laundry list of laws and needs to remain closed.

Larry use to own a home with aprrox. 40 acres, not sure if he still does but always  wished a reporter would have asked  him why he doesn't  open a shelter on his property.  

sc4mayor wrote: ↑

Dec 02, 2019

We probably need to create a separate thread for this (or maybe even the State of Downtown thread would work) because we're getting off topic here.

It's not like the 21C thread is getting used for anything else any time soon 

I am staying in a 21c in Oklahoma City now for 3 night Christmas family gathering. Lowest floor and lobby is a contemporary art museum with around 50 large and small pieces. Also art on each floor.

The building was a Ford assembly plant in ancient times. Great location. Lots of new apartment construction in the area. Rooms are very nice contemporary with 14 foot ceilings up to the concrete ceiling. Large old windows. Clubs and restaurants in the area.

Not that expensive but there are a lot of taxes and they want $20 per night for parking. But they help point out free street parking. Area looks very safe. About 5 blocks West of downtown OKC close to the main art museum and civic Center Music Hall.


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It’s not but we easily found free street parking across the street from the hotel. So I don’t think anyone was paying the $20 per day parking. They don’t even have meters on the street parking there.


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Rooster wrote: ↑

Dec 02, 2019

Larry use to own a home with aprrox. 40 acres, not sure if he still does but always  wished a reporter would have asked  him why he doesn't  open a shelter on his property.  

This type of accusation has been tossed about for years without so much as a single shred of evidence.

Will you be the first to provide it?

bprop wrote: ↑

Dec 30, 2019

Rooster wrote: ↑

Dec 02, 2019

Larry use to own a home with aprrox. 40 acres, not sure if he still does but always  wished a reporter would have asked  him why he doesn't  open a shelter on his property.  

This type of accusation has been tossed about for years without so much as a single shred of evidence.

Will you be the first to provide it?

It probably wasn't listed under his name, but I would definitely believe he owned 40+ acres through NLEC.  It's farmstead property though, so not exactly Ladue, and who knows if he really ever lived there.  Remember that he owns several television and radio broadcast stations through NLEC, and their associated antennae.  People have also left or donated property to NLEC.

3267 State Highway Oo Marshfield MO  and 9823 State Road Ae New Bloomfield MO  are both listed as former residences of Lawrence W. Rice, Jr., and you can see that NLEC is still there.  NLEC also used to own one of the largest mansions on Lafayette Square at 2107 Park, and that is also listed as his address at the time.

Chatted with someone that stated he worked on  Rice's land.  Rice used his clientele as hired help.  Thought the person informing me legitimate  but it is still heresay 

I’m sure it can all be found in the court documents. He is worth over 20 million.


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Dec 30, 2019

I’m sure it can all be found in the court documents. He is worth over 20 million.


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Larry Rice, the person, has a net value of over $20 million?  Just making that clear.

Let’s face it. Rice could have bought the entire YMCA building and converted it to traditional housing. But actually helping the needy isn’t his model. Making money on the backs of the homeless is.


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None of us really know anything about Rice's financial situation. Even if he has "assets" of, say, $20 million, he could also have "liabilities" of, say $25 million.  

I'm no fan of Rice, but this is all meaningless speculation. 

It’s all in the court documents. He admitted it during the deposition.


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^What deposition? Care to point to the thing on Casenet or some similar site? Or a reputable journalistic enterprise that cites its sources so you can check the reporting?

Here are a few photos from the OKC 21c hotel.  Folks at the front desk said they are looking forward to the St. Louis hotel.  All their hotels except one are in rehabbed old large buildings.  It seemed like only the top level (level 4) of the OKC hotel was full.  Since it was a Ford Assembly building, the floors are huge with some art on each floor and in the rooms.  The museum on the lobby level is all free to the public.  It will be interesting to see how they transform the old St. Louis YMCA building.