St. Louis Lambert Int. Airport [airline/hub/operations/info]

Trololzilla · PostFeb 18, 2019#50762019-02-18T06:20+00:00

frequentflyer wrote: ↑
Feb 17, 2019
You might seriously want to apply for that job. Did you see the STL social media post from a few days ago? The empty red rocking chairs, empty between banks -- I know, but still. One would think they'd build on the momentum of 15+ million passengers by posting something more positive than a row of empty rocking chairs.

Ugh don't remind me of that post. I physically cringed reading that - "Hey look how how empty we are right now". Ugh. How tone-deaf.

Honestly, I feel like a lot of public perception about the City and its various services (especially the airport) could be improved upon vastly with more frequent, much more quality posts on social media. Think Wendy's Twitter.

sc4mayor · PostFeb 18, 2019#50772019-02-18T17:18+00:00

^ Totally agree about social media and marketing in general. I'm a huge architecture freak and I've always thought that outside of Chicago there aren't really many other cities in the Midwest (or even the West) that can offer the built environment and walk-ability that St. Louis can, and yet we just harp on the Arch and the Zoo. St. Louis isn't very good at selling itself, which is a shame, because it has lots to sell.

I too cringed when I saw that empty rocking chair photo. I fly in and out of Lambert quite a bit and it's usually jammed, and for what it's worth those chairs are usually full lol. Would like to see more social posts about that.

jshank83 · PostFeb 18, 2019#50782019-02-18T17:24+00:00

Updated my Load Factor Spreadsheet for November.

Everything looked pretty good.

AS/UA/G4 all over 80%
F9 is all over 80% except PBI but it was its first month.
All west coast flights are strong (80s and 90s). SMF hasn't been under 90% yet in any month.
Sun Country is off to a rough start 66% but I would hope those would increase.
CVG is pretty much where it was last year.

frequentflyer · PostFeb 19, 2019#50792019-02-19T04:42+00:00

jshank83 wrote: ↑
Feb 18, 2019
Updated my Load Factor Spreadsheet for November.

Everything looked pretty good.

AS/UA/G4 all over 80%
F9 is all over 80% except PBI but it was its first month.
All west coast flights are strong (80s and 90s). SMF hasn't been under 90% yet in any month.
Sun Country is off to a rough start 66% but I would hope those would increase.
CVG is pretty much where it was last year.

Thanks so much for tracking and compiling this information. I know the amount of time and attention to detail you have to exert to put together this spreadsheet and I appreciate your effort. I've learned more about STL from reading your posts than I ever have following the airport's media releases/postings and reading their "reports."

jshank83 · PostFeb 19, 2019#50802019-02-19T21:34+00:00

2019 PFC Application is out.

Only thing on it is the expansion for baggage in T2. Lots of details in it if you feel like reading.

https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... y-2019.pdf

Perseus767 · PostFeb 19, 2019#50812019-02-19T22:10+00:00

Does anyone know what the largest aircraft that currently flies into Lambert (excluding cargo)? Largest I see is A321s and 757s. I think I have spotted a 767 once or twice.

jshank83 · PostFeb 20, 2019#50822019-02-20T00:25+00:00

Perseus767 wrote: ↑
Feb 19, 2019
Does anyone know what the largest aircraft that currently flies into Lambert (excluding cargo)? Largest I see is A321s and 757s. I think I have spotted a 767 once or twice.

Some of the charters ran on widebodies last year (it wasn't exactly planned originally) but right now A321 is the largest. No widebodies are on the upcoming schedule that I am aware of.

PostFeb 20, 2019#50832019-02-20T00:29+00:00

frequentflyer wrote: ↑
Feb 19, 2019

jshank83 wrote: ↑
Feb 18, 2019
Updated my Load Factor Spreadsheet for November.

Everything looked pretty good.

AS/UA/G4 all over 80%
F9 is all over 80% except PBI but it was its first month.
All west coast flights are strong (80s and 90s). SMF hasn't been under 90% yet in any month.
Sun Country is off to a rough start 66% but I would hope those would increase.
CVG is pretty much where it was last year.

Thanks so much for tracking and compiling this information. I know the amount of time and attention to detail you have to exert to put together this spreadsheet and I appreciate your effort. I've learned more about STL from reading your posts than I ever have following the airport's media releases/postings and reading their "reports."

No problem. They take some time but I am just happy others find them as useful as I do. If you (or anyones else) has any questions or stats you want to see I will do my best to find the numbers. I am hoping a new O&D update comes out soon. Seems like it is due.

Perseus767 · PostFeb 21, 2019#50842019-02-21T00:37+00:00

Does anyone know when American and Delta plan to stop flying MD-80s into Lambert? Has American already stopped?

It will be a sad day when flights with these old birds stop. It will be an end of an era.

jshank83 · PostFeb 21, 2019#50852019-02-21T01:14+00:00

Perseus767 wrote: ↑
Feb 21, 2019
Does anyone know when American and Delta plan to stop flying MD-80s into Lambert? Has American already stopped?

It will be a sad day when flights with these old birds stop. It will be an end of an era.

AA still flies them from DFW. Sometime this year they are going away.
Delta I think still flies them ATL. Not sure on their retirement date. I think it also might be this year.
MD90s will still be around for awhile. They come from ATL and sometimes MSP.
DL also has a fair amount of 717s flying from about every airport.

PostFeb 22, 2019#50862019-02-22T06:14+00:00

2018 3rd qtr O&D numbers are out.

Overall up 3% or 335 passengers a day for my chart. I try to only do routes with 10 or more passengers a day on them so everything under that I don't take into account but it could skew things some.

Biggest gains YOY (Raw Number)
Miami 43
Houston 42
Orlando 38
Sacramento 27
Tampa 26
Dallas 25
SLC 22
Milwaukee 21
Hartford 20 (new route)

Losers
Atlanta -45
Chicago -21

By %
Gains
Amarillo 38%
Milwaukee 37%
Billings, Sacramento, Boise 32%
Hartford 28%

Largest Unserved
Norfolk, VA 57
Richmond, VA 44
Albuquerque, NM 39

Full document. Separate tabs for the past year and change YoY

frequentflyer · PostFeb 22, 2019#50872019-02-22T18:29+00:00

jshank83 wrote: ↑
Feb 22, 2019
2018 3rd qtr O&D numbers are out.

Largest Unserved
Norfolk, VA 57
Richmond, VA 44
Albuquerque, NM 39

Thanks for posting, interesting information -- as usual. I can see WN giving STL a Norfolk daily flight sometime soon. Combined with Richmond (with is only about 95 mi away) that's 101 daily passengers, plus any future connecting passengers.

STL would have to make a strong case for connecting passengers, I think, to get a nonstop to Albuquerque. They may be better off asking for more nonstop Caribbean destinations.

Perseus767 · PostFeb 23, 2019#50882019-02-23T05:50+00:00

I've been wondering lately... On the east end of Concourse D, there is a outcropping near the utility plant. There used to be gates there, but they were removed even before the airport hit its peak. What is this area and what was there?

Also, is it just me or did they recently redo the steel curtain wall facing I70? I thought it used to be darker. Maybe I just never noticed.

Trololzilla · PostFeb 23, 2019#50892019-02-23T08:08+00:00

Perseus767 wrote: ↑
Feb 23, 2019
I've been wondering lately... On the east end of Concourse D, there is a outcropping near the utility plant. There used to be gates there, but they were removed even before the airport hit its peak. What is this area and what was there?

Exactly what you said - it's an unused former gate area, cordoned off with drywall. There's currently nothing there AFAIK besides what was left there when it was mothballed, but there's been rumblings about possibly redeveloping that space into a type of 'food court' (much like the former one at the west end of D) to make up for the dearth of options in that part of Concourse E, particularly if Southwest takes even more gates.

If not internally, then there certainly is a lot of rumbling in this thread about such a renovation.

Perseus767 · PostFeb 23, 2019#50902019-02-23T21:45+00:00

I find it odd they removed those gates even when the place was still busy. I thought they put a food court there or something, but apparently not. Why did they just shutter it?

jshank83 · PostFeb 24, 2019#50912019-02-24T00:13+00:00

I talked to a Southwest person about that area semi recently. I am pretty sure they told me they use it for storage. Not 100% sure though.

PostFeb 26, 2019#50922019-02-26T03:05+00:00

April Frequency Spreadsheet Update

Notes:
Frontier is running DEN 2x on Monday and MCO 2x on Friday

UA moves over 200 weekly departures (for the first time since I have been keeping track) and passes DL in that respect. But DL is running a lot more mainline so they have more passengers. UA is up 8.6% seats capacity YOY Mon-Fri

WN will have 3 scheduled daily MAX8's during the week (OAK/DEN/PHX). These and -800s get swapped out fairly often though so who knows what the number really will be.
WN will be at
119 mon-Thurs
120 Fri
87 Sat
125 Sun
808 Weekly

Weekly flights YoY change
WN 808 +46 (6%)
AA 246 -15 (-5.8%)
UA 201 +21 (11.7%)
DL 196 +13 (7.1%)
F9 38 +10 (35.8%)
AS 21 -7 (-25%)
AC 20 +1 (5.3%)
G4 20 even
SY 6

1701 for STL +54 (3.3%)
1721 combine with BLV

I'll try to get the seat differences later. UA is the only one I did so far. WN I won't have, I didn't keep track of plane type until a few months ago for them.

Full spreadsheet

frequentflyer · PostFeb 26, 2019#50932019-02-26T20:58+00:00

jshank83 wrote: ↑
Feb 26, 2019

Weekly flights YoY change
WN 808 +46 (6%)
AA 246 -15 (-5.8%)
UA 201 +21 (11.7%)
DL 196 +13 (7.1%)
F9 38 +10 (35.8%)
AS 21 -7 (-25%)
AC 20 +1 (5.3%)
G4 20 even
SY 6

Is AA's reduced number of flights due to them bringing in larger aircraft? (I'm sorry if this has been discussed before, I don't keep track of types of aircraft). Would this also be true of AS? I don't remember them having more flights here.

Glad to see the uptick in both UA and DL. I can see DL adding a destination, or two to STL.

I'm also glad to see F9 building STL, even if it's mainly through Apple. I can see where F9 and Volaris work together and create more Caribbean, Mexican, and S. American destinations from STL -- from Concourse C.

jshank83 · PostFeb 27, 2019#50942019-02-27T01:50+00:00

frequentflyer wrote: ↑
Feb 26, 2019

jshank83 wrote: ↑
Feb 26, 2019

Weekly flights YoY change
WN 808 +46 (6%)
AA 246 -15 (-5.8%)
UA 201 +21 (11.7%)
DL 196 +13 (7.1%)
F9 38 +10 (35.8%)
AS 21 -7 (-25%)
AC 20 +1 (5.3%)
G4 20 even
SY 6
Is AA's reduced number of flights due to them bringing in larger aircraft? (I'm sorry if this has been discussed before, I don't keep track of types of aircraft). Would this also be true of AS? I don't remember them having more flights here.

Glad to see the uptick in both UA and DL. I can see DL adding a destination, or two to STL.

I'm also glad to see F9 building STL, even if it's mainly through Apple. I can see where F9 and Volaris work together and create more Caribbean, Mexican, and S. American destinations from STL -- from Concourse C.

AA is down 6.68% seat wise during the week.
AS still had Portland running in May April/May last year. So that is why it is down 7.

Also sorry for forgetting to change the Letters to actual airlines everyone

F9 is frontier
G4 is allegiant
SY is Sun Country
AS is Alaska

PostFeb 27, 2019#50952019-02-27T01:53+00:00

Air Canada goes to 4 flights a day starting June 3.

frequentflyer · PostFeb 27, 2019#50962019-02-27T03:28+00:00

jshank83 wrote: ↑
Feb 27, 2019
Air Canada goes to 4 flights a day starting June 3.

I can see something happening here. AC and UA, with their codeshare, now operate out of Concourse A. Frontier and Volaris, with their codeshare, could operate out of Concourse C.

Did you see STL now officially shows Volaris as an airline -- operating out of C28? IF this holds, then that frees up A15 -- right in the heart of AC/UA gate country.

I can see something happening here. AC and UA, with their codeshare, now operate out of Concourse A. Frontier and Volaris, with their codeshare, could operate out of Concourse C.

Did you see STL now officially shows Volaris as an airline -- operating out of C28? IF this holds, then that frees up A15 -- right in the heart of AC/UA gate country.

EDIT: I looked at the gate locations map and I see a pattern. Frontier operates out of C19-23, providing international service. Volaris now shows as operating out of C28, providing international service. Sun Country, which has Caribbean and Mexican destinations ( for possible Winter, 2019 service ?) also operates out of C28. Would this be enough international service to open a second Customs facility back up in Concourse C?

^^ IF STL gets a TransAtlantic carrier, they could move into C and these flights, along with everything mentioned above, would certainly warrant another Customs facility.

jshank83 · PostFeb 27, 2019#50972019-02-27T04:57+00:00

^Since Volaris is only a charter, being a codeshare with Frontier doesn’t really matter. They aren’t selling tickets where people could transfer here.

As for customs, not sure. They are looking to open another one. Reopening the one in C makes sense but we’ll see.

stlgasm · PostFeb 27, 2019#50982019-02-27T13:37+00:00

A very special thanks to symphonicpoet who graciously helped convert our Freaks at the Airport video that I mentioned in a previous post into a downloadable file, here’s the link to view it!

Lambert in the winter of ‘96!

https://www.facebook.com/STyLehouseSTL/ ... 06?sfns=mo

Perseus767 · PostFeb 27, 2019#50992019-02-27T18:05+00:00

Thank you so much! I love it. Funny what you could do back in the day. Can't really see what the poster says

That airplane window wall... Where was that located anyways?

stlgasm · PostFeb 27, 2019#51002019-02-27T18:56+00:00

The airplane windows were in the hallway of B Concourse, just past the TSA security checkpoint in the main terminal.

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