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Beautiful picture. Wish I was there to see that.

How come the far end of concourse C has a roof that is much taller? Like it looks like it could have two floors. I can also see there are windows. What is on the second floor? I heard the old TWA Ambassador's club and customs was somewhere around there. Is that what's up there?

But... Looking at the photo taken around gate C34 it looks like it is just a very high ceiling. Looks like a gym to me. I assume the high ceiling is just a specific portion though.
(Funny actually, when I first discovered the picture I thought it was a workout gym before I looked closer)

The end of C had a taller ceiling, but also housed the Ambassador Club upstairs too. Customs was downstairs. I never really thought about it, but the concourse had an upward ramp towards the end (before the taller portion)that may have been by design, so that customs had more clearance. I didn’t fly internationally until 2013, so I never got to experience it firsthand.

I remember a better than average Taco Bell outlet right about where the concourse ramped upwards too.
Moving walkways went to pretty much the end as well. They were kinda awkward at that spot since it always seemed that I needed to be at a gate before they ended, so it was either backtrack, or not take them

Jeff

Trololzilla wrote: ↑

Jan 30, 2019

This has been touched on before in this thread, but the reason for the lack of jetbridge at E40 is that Southwest basically had no use for it (at the time), and it's a tight squeeze since the waiting area is the same for both E38/E40, so it's verytight there. I've flown out of E38 before, and I can't imagine it'd be possible for two departing flights to use those gates simultaneously. They are in the process of installing a jetway there now though, as far as I'm aware. But again, since the space is so tight, they likely will have to stagger arrivals/departures out of those two gates.

E40 has been open for a few months now. They removed a wall to add more boarding positions so now they can board 38 and 40 at the same time if needed.

Like you said earlier a lot of the google earth/maps pics are old. The only other jetway that I noticed changed when I looked at the imagery lately (I had access at my last job to updated images we used to some projects) was a jet bridge was added around thanksgiving to C29. C is open all the way thru C27/28 now. I walked down there the other day to check out the sun country gate. I think there is still an old smoking lounge down there. I couldn't figure out what else it would have been.

E40 pic.

jshank83 wrote: ↑

Jan 31, 2019

C is open all the way thru C27/28 now. I walked down there the other day to check out the sun country gate. I think there is still an old smoking lounge down there. I couldn't figure out what else it would have been.

Do you (or anyone else) happen to have a picture(s) of the C27/28 area? I'm interested in seeing the renovations.

Perseus767 wrote: ↑

Jan 31, 2019

jshank83 wrote: ↑

Jan 31, 2019

C is open all the way thru C27/28 now. I walked down there the other day to check out the sun country gate. I think there is still an old smoking lounge down there. I couldn't figure out what else it would have been.

Do you (or anyone else) happen to have a picture(s) of the C27/28 area? I'm interested in seeing the renovations.

Here is Sun Country's gate. Not a ton you can see. They are doing the work now on 29/30. I am hoping it is nicer and they come back and do 27/28 to make it nicer. But who knows.

jshank83 wrote: ↑

Jan 31, 2019

I miss the Cinnabon/Burger King/something else (okay mostly just Cinnabon) That used to be right inside security in C on the right (on the way to D). Those were the days.

Ah yes, the “food court” in the corner.

Ate there many many times!

Jeff

Perseus767 wrote: ↑

Jan 31, 2019

jshank83 wrote: ↑

Jan 31, 2019

C is open all the way thru C27/28 now. I walked down there the other day to check out the sun country gate. I think there is still an old smoking lounge down there. I couldn't figure out what else it would have been.

Do you (or anyone else) happen to have a picture(s) of the C27/28 area? I'm interested in seeing the renovations.

C27/28 area has not been remodeled yet. It is still 90s Lambert style. I'm flying out on American on Sunday, I'll grab some pics for you. Decent picture of the 1st moving walkway in C. https://nextstl.com/2011/05/save-lamber ... ncourse-c/ This is directly after C24. It slopes up a good 3ft or so, from that point on, the building is essentially 3 full stories, and the ceilings of the main level open up around the mezzanine of the Ambassador's club and after C27/28.

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/jmsulli ... 4.jpg.html This is from the far end of C looking back at C32. Always was 2 really odd cylinders at the end right in the middle of the walk way. I think they support large air handlers on the roof, but it always looked so strange coming down the moving walkway and seeing these 2 giant towers right in the main walk way of the concourse. (Purple carpet didn't help them NOT stand out either)

Anything after C24 is the "newer" addition to C from the 80s. It was built along with D and if I'm remembering correctly by the same arch/firm as D. The styling and structure is very similar to D, except with much, much taller ceilings. From right after C24 through 27/28 TWA had an Ambassador's Club on the 2nd level. You can see the windows of the 2nd level on Google Earth easily. It was a really nice club for its day. Great views of the airfield. If I'm remembering correctly C has 3 sets of walkways that start right after C24. 2 are still visible now, and the 3rd will be once they open to C32. Which I thought the plan was to renovate through C32, which really doesn't leave much left. Seems it would be viable to just do the entire concourse.

There used to be a fairly large food court at the C/D connector. It was to the right of D as you walk through security. Not too far down D was "Cheers" it was a fairly decent sized bar. The B connector is just a skinny hallway with windows on oneside. You can easily see it on Google Earth, or when you pass through security @ C.

pmt257 wrote: ↑

Jan 31, 2019

If I'm remembering correctly C has 3 sets of walkways that start right after C24. 2 are still visible now, and the 3rd will be once they open to C32. Which I thought the plan was to renovate through C32, which really doesn't leave much left. Seems it would be viable to just do the entire concourse.

They are doing thru C30.

jshank83 wrote: ↑

Jan 31, 2019

Here is Sun Country's gate. Not a ton you can see. They are doing the work now on 29/30. I am hoping it is nicer and they come back and do 27/28 to make it nicer. But who knows.

Thanks for posting this pic. I was interested to see what C27/28 looked like. It's not too bad, considering the amount of time that's passed. My gosh, I remember that purple carpet! Hopefully, they'll brighten these gates up, like the rest of the concourse.

pmt257 wrote: ↑

Jan 31, 2019

Always was 2 really odd cylinders at the end right in the middle of the walk way. I think they support large air handlers on the roof, but it always looked so strange coming down the moving walkway and seeing these 2 giant towers right in the main walk way of the concourse. (Purple carpet didn't help them NOT stand out either)

Per Modern Steel Construction's 1986 article on the expansion:

"Like other concourses at Lambert, the HVAC system IS part of this architectural expression Unique to Concourse C, however, are the Sizable columns which conduct steam and chilled water from an underground utility tunnel to the HVAC system on the roof, and also house ducts to Circulate warm or cool air. Carpeted In blue to complement the Interiors, these 12- ft and 10-ft-diameter tubes rise majestically Within the lounge areas to Circular skylights on the ceiling"

So not structural support, precisely, but rather HVAC communication. Got to move everything through that space somehow, and it really is a rather large and very open area. (And the customs hall right below it is by a small margin the largest unfied semi-public space on the lower level of the entire airport. Slightly larger, even, than the corresponding one in E.) You can even see the vents in them in some of the pictures in the article. Well worth glancing through. Neat article. (Can't recall who pointed it out to me. Possibly jshank.)

Great link - thanks for posting!

I could have sworn that the moving walkways came further down towards the end, but apparently my memory isn’t as good as I thought...

I always knew that Concourse C had the higher roof at the end but I never noticed that it's almost as tall, if not taller, than the two main terminal halls. I think I've seen those giant mechanical shafts before but didn't notice the dome skylight. You can still see it pretty clearly on Google Earth. I tweeted @flystl to preserve the shafts and the skylight so I think we've saved.

I know this is discussed a lot but... predictions for when all of Concourse D is reopened?
Also, I've heard that we have really high landing fees from paying off runway 11/29. Do we know if that's still an issue or have those landing fees gone down a bit?

Perseus767 wrote: ↑

Jan 29, 2019

Sorry for the quick topic change, but I have a question:

Does anyone have videos or pictures of the closed-off areas of concourses B/C/D? I know there are several pictures and videos out there, but they give me only a vague idea of what these areas look like.

I am asking this because I've always wondered what these areas looked like. Especially because it seems that these areas are discussed a lot in this forum. I'm new here and I quite like Lambert for its history.

It would be especially awesome if someone with access created a video tour walking from beginning to end of concourse D.

While this video isn't at the end of D, it does give you another look at some of the newer gates in E.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-U1NFg3-AE

frequentflyer wrote: ↑

Jan 31, 2019

Yes, please try to take some pics! I'm also interested to see what's going on in that part of the concourse -- and more specifically, what's going on at C29/30. I'm wondering if they're just going to re-open the gates, or if it's going to be a complete remodel -- to match the gates up to C24.

C29/30 was still walled off from C27/28 as of 3 weeks ago. The bid documents made it sounds like it would be a complete remodel (which makes me think they will come back and do C27/28 also. They could just move Sun Country to C29 or 30 while they remodel 27/28. I can go back and look at the bid documents to confirm though.

I am also curious to see where contour goes.They could take one of those gates also. We are less than 2 weeks away from that.

aprice wrote: I know this is discussed a lot but... predictions for when all of Concourse D is reopened?
Also, I've heard that we have really high landing fees from paying off runway 11/29. Do we know if that's still an issue or have those landing fees gone down a bit?

They have gone down a fair amount. Pretty big steps down the last couple years.

Has anyone asked an employee/management for a peek inside of C/D? Would they even give a tour of the closed concourses? I don't see how it would be very hard considering there is just a thin wall with doors blocking off the areas. Although would not be surprised if they didn't because of security concerns.

Similar question, do employees still frequent these areas even though they are closed?

Uploaded the new Southwest schedule.

Up 41 flights YOY (5.1%)
Up 104 flights over August 2017 (14.9%)

119 flights mon-fri +5
84 flights on Saturday +3
124 flights on Sunday +13

Pensacola sticks around longer than previous years

jshank83 wrote: ↑

Feb 01, 2019

frequentflyer wrote: ↑

Jan 31, 2019

Yes, please try to take some pics! I'm also interested to see what's going on in that part of the concourse -- and more specifically, what's going on at C29/30. I'm wondering if they're just going to re-open the gates, or if it's going to be a complete remodel -- to match the gates up to C24.

C29/30 was still walled off from C27/28 as of 3 weeks ago. The bid documents made it sounds like it would be a complete remodel (which makes me think they will come back and do C27/28 also. They could just move Sun Country to C29 or 30 while they remodel 27/28. I can go back and look at the bid documents to confirm though.

I am also curious to see where contour goes.They could take one of those gates also. We are less than 2 weeks away from that.

I thought it was a complete remodel at C29/30 and your answer confirmed what I remembered hearing/seeing about this.

They should put Contour at C28. Along with Sun Country, that leg of the concourse would then have a regular stream of flights -- especially if Contour picks up the Stl-Indy route you mentioned. Being a TN company, I hope Contour runs a STL-MEM route too. This would give them a niche here, as I doubt Southwest or Frontier will ever do those routes.

Personally, I think the next spurt of growth for STL will come from these secondary markets. That's why Spirit would be a nice fit here.

frequentflyer wrote: ↑

Feb 01, 2019

jshank83 wrote: ↑

Feb 01, 2019

Uploaded the new Southwest schedule.

Up 41 flights YOY (5.1%)
Up 104 flights over August 2017 (14.9%)

119 flights mon-fri +5
84 flights on Saturday +3
124 flights on Sunday +13

Pensacola sticks around longer than previous years

Great info, thank you. Did you hear about any additional flights for STL in the new Fall schedule released today? The announcement was pretty low profile and STL didn't have any announcement (yet) either. There mustn't be much on tap for new business for STL. We'll have to wait until Spring, 2020 for anything significant, I guess.

There are frequencies that carried over from summer but it is down overall from summer. A lot of Saturday cuts. Only m-f cuts were Cancun and Boston from 5x to 4x. I actually thought there would have been more than there were.

Only increases from summer were and extra Dallas on Sunday, New Orleans on Sunday.