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PostJan 18, 2018#601

Financial incentives for the guy with $105B. Crazy, right?

Clearly going after the three or four big fish (MLS, NFL, Amazon, McKee) is not working. Maybe try a new tact and make things easier for a million little fish to get some things done in the city. Incentivize the little fish. Try that.

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PostJan 18, 2018#602

^ sustainable small ball is a wild idea! I mean look at that Foxconn deal Wisconsin gave out... the billions in incentives aren't projected to pay off until the 2140s -- heck itmay not even be a company by then.

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PostJan 18, 2018#603

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Maybe try a new tact and make things easier for a million little fish to get some things done in the city. Incentivize the little fish. Try that.
I actually *REALLY* like this.

I've started a small out of my home business in the past few months. We're fledgling. I'm not sure what potential level we have. Could always be tiny, could grow into something greater. But we are absolutely scraping by on self-investment funds, which makes it hard to stock enough products or to market ourselves.

Literally just a few hundred dollars would be useful to us. I'm sure there are more worthy businesses in the city in a similar boat.

I'd love to see this prioritized.

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PostJan 18, 2018#604

Kmov just listed the incentives. Over 5 Billion total to come to STL. Included money from Missouri and Illinois sides. Wow.

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PostJan 18, 2018#605

leeharveyawesome wrote:
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Financial incentives for the guy with $105B. Crazy, right?

Clearly going after the three or four big fish (MLS, NFL, Amazon, McKee) is not working. Maybe try a new tact and make things easier for a million little fish to get some things done in the city. Incentivize the little fish. Try that.
This might be the most/ONLY logical, non-trolling thing you've ever posted.

I agree with LHA

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PostJan 18, 2018#606

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Kmov just listed the incentives. Over 5 Billion total to come to STL. Included money from Missouri and Illinois sides. Wow.
We should probably be happy they didn't choose St. Louis...

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PostJan 18, 2018#607

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Kmov just listed the incentives. Over 5 Billion total to come to STL. Included money from Missouri and Illinois sides. Wow.
We should probably be happy they didn't choose St. Louis...
Amazon is going to invest 5 billion into a community... well only if you give them over 5 billion to come..

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PostJan 18, 2018#608

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Agreed that this is a 10-gallon bucket of ice-cold reality. And it stinks. But shows true market view of STL....

BTW, all this ragging on Indianapolis is beyond stupid. It is a great place to live, with world-class amenities. The crying shame is how far past Indy is beyond STL and whether or not STL will ever catch-up....
Indy is a decent enough place but it's laughable that it's far past STL.

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PostJan 18, 2018#609

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Finally, sell the airport, and use the proceeds to hire 10 different marketing companies. Have them market us, and listen to their feedback on what would make marketing us easier, and implement their suggestions.
Selling one of the few things that is actually on an upswing and doing well seems like a terrible idea.
I was being a little facetious about the airport. But I am 100% serious about hiring marketing teams. To both improve our image and, more importantly, to find out from them what we need to do to improve it further.

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leeharveyawesome wrote:
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Financial incentives for the guy with $105B. Crazy, right?

Clearly going after the three or four big fish (MLS, NFL, Amazon, McKee) is not working. Maybe try a new tact and make things easier for a million little fish to get some things done in the city. Incentivize the little fish. Try that.
This is the number one way to improve a city. Absolutely. It is what we absolutely should be doing.

But I see two problems with it.

1. You are going to have to lower taxes, at minimum for companies or organizations below a certain size. Maybe that size is measured in headcount, or revenue, or some other metric. But at the end of the day taxes will have to come down.

Small companies cannot absorb taxes like large ones can. That's the particularly perverse thing about corporate welfare, it is giving tax breaks to the ones who need it the least. That company that is owned by a STL native and employs 10 people is NOT getting a tax break. Amazon sure as ***** will.

Unfortunately, I do not see much political will in the city to lower taxes, at all, for anybody really. Too many people see it as somehow capitulating to "outstate Missouri", or "county republicans", or some such nonsense. That desire to stick it to others is there and it is ***** us. We should make it easy as possible to open and grow a business in the city, and part of that is reducing taxes, at least for things below a certain size.

2. We are going to need to get serious about policing. People should not need to worry about the safety of their employees, customers, and business. The police in the city and county are out of control, and not just in the "abusing black people" category. Very little accountability means very little motivation to actually get sh*t done.

I don't want to be a downer. Helping the little guy is absolutely the number one correct way to fix things, and if done, we will see results, guaranteed. But those two things, I don't see much political will to get fixed.

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PostJan 18, 2018#611

STLrainbow wrote:
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spreadsheetwizard wrote:
Jan 18, 2018
Agreed that this is a 10-gallon bucket of ice-cold reality. And it stinks. But shows true market view of STL....

BTW, all this ragging on Indianapolis is beyond stupid. It is a great place to live, with world-class amenities. The crying shame is how far past Indy is beyond STL and whether or not STL will ever catch-up....
Indy is a decent enough place but it's laughable that it's far past STL.
Bezos may think differently. But that's just his opinion.

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PostJan 18, 2018#612

The entire STL proposal is now viewable on stlhustle.com i must say that I am extremely proud of Sheila Sweeney. It was a very ambitious, aggressive proposal. Very dream filled though. I’m unsure how nearly any of that could have been done, but it was clearly well thought out. The incentives however remain a secret. I don’t believe we will ever know the total amount


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PostJan 18, 2018#613

Heres my opinion not like it matters however i believe this is good news for St.Louis. St.Louis needs to focus on St.Louis. not giving a billionaire more tax breaks that he really doesn't need.
The 4 most important things St.Louis should be focusing on now are.
1.Crime
2.County/City consolidation
3.Transportation
4.Investment in disadvantage areas

Who knows maybe St.Louis did have a legit chance or never theres always room to blame however blaming is never going to solve anything and it takes all of us to get things right.
I firmly believe St.Louis is headed in the right direction and to be honest St.Louis is on the cusp.

Yeah i get it Columbus Indianapolis Pittsburgh what do they have that we don't have.

What they have is confidence and great pr that helps them in finding like minded individuals.

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PostJan 18, 2018#614

Some highlights of the STL proposal:

1- the Lambert airport welcome Center I think was very off. That just seemed very weird.

2- The North Riverfront (Mark Twain) and the Lincoln campus were visionary. I think those should become masterplans.

3- not sure if a rendering error, but they had several skyscrapers that soared over the arch.

4- overall, very ambitious.


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PostJan 18, 2018#615

Chalupas54 wrote:
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The entire STL proposal is now viewable on stlhustle.com i must say that I am extremely proud of Sheila Sweeney. It was a very ambitious, aggressive proposal. Very dream filled though. I’m unsure how nearly any of that could have been done, but it was clearly well thought out. The incentives however remain a secret. I don’t believe we will ever know the total amount


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Site is actually https://stlouishustle.com. Thanks for pointing it out though, wouldn't have found it otherwise.

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PostJan 18, 2018#616

Did anyone see the downtown garages with skyscrapers slapped on top? lol

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PostJan 18, 2018#617

Chalupas54 wrote:
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The entire STL proposal is now viewable on stlhustle.com i must say that I am extremely proud of Sheila Sweeney. It was a very ambitious, aggressive proposal. Very dream filled though. I’m unsure how nearly any of that could have been done, but it was clearly well thought out. The incentives however remain a secret. I don’t believe we will ever know the total amount


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Kmox listed them off. They acted like they are in the proposal somewhere. 3.8ish billion from the Missouri side, 1.5ish billion from the Illinois side. Over 5 total. I don't remember the exact numbers they listed

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PostJan 18, 2018#618

They should just scrub off Amazon from this proposal and send it to every single Fortune 1000 company. So we lost on Amazon... we still spent some good money getting this proposal together so lets use it to land someone!

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PostJan 18, 2018#619

spreadsheetwizard wrote:
Jan 18, 2018
Agreed that this is a 10-gallon bucket of ice-cold reality. And it stinks. But shows true market view of STL....

BTW, all this ragging on Indianapolis is beyond stupid. It is a great place to live, with world-class amenities. The crying shame is how far past Indy is beyond STL and whether or not STL will ever catch-up....

Looks like DC-area will be it. Fits with model of "coastal economy" by-passing the rest of the country.
Umm i beg to differ Indianapolis isn't a bad place however its not far past St.Louis that's simply your opinion I also can attest St.Louis has world class amenities then some.
What does Indy have that St.Louis doesn't please tell me?

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PostJan 18, 2018#620

It says you need a password to download it. Do we know the password?

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PostJan 18, 2018#621

One thing I have done from this is contacted Steve Stegner and Luda Krewson and demanded immediate merger talks and exploration of a true, unified, regional government. Absolutely everyone on this forum should do the same.


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PostJan 18, 2018#622

This is the type of stuff I'd like to see coming from STL, less "sports and beer" more "we'll get the job done, forward thinking, etc..".

I actually really loved the message of the video at the top page. I agree, let's use this somehow.

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PostJan 18, 2018#623

Yeah, the proposal actually is unexpectedly well done and stunning. It's a pretty tremendous master plan for the areas, and while I'm giving local leadership trouble for calling such a massive failure a "blueprint" for the future, it really is something that hopefully has some merit going forward.

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PostJan 18, 2018#624

chaifetz10 wrote:They should just scrub off Amazon from this proposal and send it to every single Fortune 1000 company. So we lost on Amazon... we still spent some good money getting this proposal together so lets use it to land someone!
this. send this to Kellogg’s.


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PostJan 18, 2018#625

I know the North Riverfront plan has been around for a while. It was the backup plan if the stadium fell through.

The "Lincoln" development on the other side of the river is spectacular though. That would be beautiful.

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