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^My knowledge might be dated (and therefore somewhat incorrect), but my take is that there are some nice buildings downtown that already can compete with options like Clayton on the Park and Two Twelve Clayton.

Anyway, this sounds like it will be indisputable competition to those Clayton options, which I think, overall, is good news. Combining this with the "Cardinal component" will likely get people down there that would not have considered downtown before. Hopefully people who will give regular business to downtown restaurants outside of Ballpark Village, do grocery shopping at the Culinaria, spend time in downtown's parks, etc.

^ I also have to wonder if Drury is thinking about pulling the trigger on its plan for a residential tower in the Landing, esp. with the other residential project moving ahead.

Regarding the comments about higher-end clientele at BPV tower, that mirrors the comment from a downtown KC observer about One Light attracting some powerful players there and how that will hopefully reinforce dt's importance w/in the regional biz & civic community. Here's a chance for Buck to shut his yap and enjoy downtown!.

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Oct 22, 2017

IF it sells out fast and interest is as strong as we all predict it will be, it could help create more luxury residential downtown nearby. Whether it be a BPV phase III or some other developer, more high rise residential around the ballpark just seems inevitable.

You know that is the case. BPV will spark other development around the Stadium. I am guessing that this area in Downtown will be pretty dense in 20 years. Maybe even the Busch Garages come down. If that were to happen, that would be significant.

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chaifetz10 wrote: ↑

Oct 22, 2017

IF it sells out fast and interest is as strong as we all predict it will be, it could help create more luxury residential downtown nearby. Whether it be a BPV phase III or some other developer, more high rise residential around the ballpark just seems inevitable.

You know that is the case. BPV will spark other development around the Stadium. I am guessing that this area in Downtown will be pretty dense in 20 years. Maybe even the Busch Garages come down. If that were to happen, that would be significant.

In fairness, 20 years in St Louis really doesn’t change much. I hope you’re correct though.


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STLrainbow wrote: ↑

Oct 22, 2017

^ I also have to wonder if Drury is thinking about pulling the trigger on its plan for a residential tower in the Landing, esp. with the other residential project moving ahead.

Regarding the comments about higher-end clientele at BPV tower, that mirrors the comment from a downtown KC observer about One Light attracting some powerful players there and how that will hopefully reinforce dt's importance w/in the regional biz & civic community. Here's a chance for Buck to shut his yap and enjoy downtown!.

I have a different thought, I'm starting to wonder if BPV phase II residential tower will break ground before ONE Hundred in CWE. The race is on who will have rents available in the next signature residential high rise.

Drury being trigger shy with the Landing tower/residential/maybe hotel component seems to have cost them from my perspective. ONE Hundred adding a signature tower in CWE/next to Forest Park with BJC/Wash U/Cortex as well as BPV II with a Lowes hotel and a sleek residential tower will encourage more development around the ballpark. Both will make development less favorable for a signature tower on the landing because it will simply be a less desireable place to be for the high rent crowd even with Arch Grounds makeover. Even more so if you consider One Hundred is next to one of the best urban parks in the country and BPV II is a relatively short walk over to the Arch Ground & expanding greenway system.

The one thing that would change the Drury Landing equation is St Louis hitting one out of the park with a downtown/north riverfront/east riverfront Amazon campus.

^ If amazon chooses St. Louis, then all of this conversation is pointless. Most projects would stop, be enhanced x3, then continue.

I wonder which Drury project is more likely at this point, kingshighway or landings?


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Oct 23, 2017

^ If amazon chooses St. Louis, then all of this conversation is pointless. Most projects would stop, be enhanced x3, then continue.

I wonder which Drury project is more likely at this point, kingshighway or landings?


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Not too stray too far off topic but would guess that Drury would rather move forward with Kingshighway then try to compete head to head with BPV phase II at the moment. Kingshighway is safe hotel room territory with probably lot less complication then say the CORTEX Aloft or even Greens Streets Armory phase II since Drury owns the property outright, their own developer, construction manager and so on, so on.

What would change on landing in near term? BPV II breaks ground and leases out quickly & CVC announces some type of convention center upgrades. BPV II well be the bell weather going forward whether is new Class A such as Cupples X or another new high rise residential such as Drury.

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chaifetz10 wrote: ↑

Oct 22, 2017

IF it sells out fast and interest is as strong as we all predict it will be, it could help create more luxury residential downtown nearby. Whether it be a BPV phase III or some other developer, more high rise residential around the ballpark just seems inevitable.

You know that is the case. BPV will spark other development around the Stadium. I am guessing that this area in Downtown will be pretty dense in 20 years. Maybe even the Busch Garages come down. If that were to happen, that would be significant.

Can't tell if srs.

bprop wrote:

chriss752 wrote: ↑

Oct 22, 2017

chaifetz10 wrote: ↑

Oct 22, 2017

IF it sells out fast and interest is as strong as we all predict it will be, it could help create more luxury residential downtown nearby. Whether it be a BPV phase III or some other developer, more high rise residential around the ballpark just seems inevitable.

You know that is the case. BPV will spark other development around the Stadium. I am guessing that this area in Downtown will be pretty dense in 20 years. Maybe even the Busch Garages come down. If that were to happen, that would be significant.

Can't tell if srs.

Just speculating. Not serious in any way. Nothing special.

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The Ballpark Village Residential Tower has lost the tacky “BPV2” lettering on the Western side in favor of a vertical, and odd, “ONE” on the Southern Side. An ode to the name, One Cardinal Way. The design was also tweaked. Very interesting. COMPARISON RENDERINGS!

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^ The residential tower appears to be taller than the KPMG/Greensfelder building but that could just be the angle and it definitely taller than the Millenium Hotel, in the birds eye view rendering. I also noticed that the fitness/market building was redesigned to be taller (by one floor).

More food.

Can we get some retail?

Perhaps a Guy Fieri's Smokehouse, which Cordish has developed/managed at their Louisville Live concept - which would be both pathetic and hilarious.

^ please no.

I'm hoping for local. Let the glorified bar/food court offer people crap food and let these new retail spaces actually attract residents and visitors not interested in baseball or getting blackout drunk.

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Nov 29, 2017

Perhaps a Guy Fieri's Smokehouse, which Cordish has developed/managed at their Louisville Live concept - which would be both pathetic and hilarious.

I would not be surprised at all. Besides Louisville having a Guy Fieri Smokehouse, Texas Live! is also supposed to get one. Because that is a newer development, I would guess that our own Ballpark village would get one sadly. Cordish, instead of making all districts similar with restaurant options, they should push for local businesses to move in instead of creating chain developments, which are boring. Plus, as stated on here, we need more retail and even though two of the 9 retail spaces are going to Restaurants, there are other spaces for retail stores. I wouldn't be surprised if we got all Restaurants and no shops. Walhburger is also supposedly moving in to the vacant store front next door ton the fudgery.

If anything, Phase 1 should be the "Food Court" as it is. We can have Phase 2 be 95% Retail and new things while the remainder of the development, Phase 3, can be a mix of everything.

Well we know Rawlings is one of the spaces. So that will have some kind of retail, I am sure. Probably not what you are talking about though.

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Nov 29, 2017

Well we know Rawlings is one of the spaces. So that will have some kind of retail, I am sure. Probably not what you are talking about though.

I am talking about clothing retail, tech and things that are in other city's downtown regions.

But where else can you find a single district with a piano bar concept, sports bar concept, Mexican bar concept, night club concept, western road house concept, Tex-mex concept, BBQ concept, steak concept, american/burger concept, confectionary concept, beer hall concept, and Asian concept, none of which are authentic examples but all derivative dumbed down "concepts" of actual cuisines and cultures? Outside of a select few amusement parks (I'm looking at you Epcot Center) I think BPV could be one of the absolute best examples of such a place on the planet.

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Nov 29, 2017

But where else can you find a single district with a piano bar concept, sports bar concept, Mexican bar concept, night club concept, western road house concept, Tex-mex concept, BBQ concept, steak concept, american/burger concept, confectionary concept, beer hall concept, and Asian concept...

This better be a joke.
(Saying this anyway) Every other Cordish development. Washington Ave. Euclid Ave. Hopefully the Foundry Food Hall.

But if we filled it with local restaurants, wouldn't it just detract from the rest of the local restaurants in Downtown?

First of all - a guy fieri restaurant would be totally cool. He's a dork but I mean that sounds fun.

And I can't imagine why a gym like orangetheory isn't moving into bpv and why there aren't Nike/adidas sports clothing stores in a sports based district. Would have basically no other competition downtown


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user28 wrote:First of all - a guy fieri restaurant would be totally cool. He's a dork but I mean that sounds fun.

And I can't imagine why a gym like orangetheory isn't moving into bpv and why there aren't Nike/adidas sports clothing stores in a sports based district. Would have basically no other competition downtown


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One Life Fitness is supposed to move in according to a October Post-Dispatch article. For Nike and Adidas, Downtown is probably not on their radar.