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Is there a list with every city considering bidding anywhere?

^Name a city; they're on the list.

addxb2 wrote:Is there a list with every city considering bidding anywhere?

Wiki has a list

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_HQ2

Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but a few things stood out to me about the Minneapolis proposal...
1. They're using the word 'modest'.
2. They're only using 3 million in incentives.
3. The governor used "semi-final". This is the first time we've heard someone use a terminology like this.

One of these is true:
1. Minnesota is so successful in current business that they're not stressing over Amazon. This might be a positive for St. Louis if incentives and creative proposals are a factor.
2. The Governor knows something no one else does.

Amazon Or Not, St. Louis Has Big Plans For Its Mississippi Riverfront

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2017/10/18/ ... iverfront/

ST. LOUIS (KMOX) — Bids are due Thursday from cities vying to land Amazon’s second headquarters. We understand the St. Louis region intends to pitch both sides of the mighty Mississippi River.

We got a tour of the “front door to our region” from Great Rivers Greenway executive director Susan Trautman. Plans for this area have been long in the making and were even altered to accommodate a potential NFL stadium.

addxb2 wrote:Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but a few things stood out to me about the Minneapolis proposal...
1. Their using the word 'modest'.
2. Their only using 3 million in incentives.
3. The governor used "semi-final". This is the first time we've heard someone use a terminology like this.

One of these is true:
1. Minnesota is so successful in current business that they're not stressing over Amazon. This might be a positive for St. Louis if incentives and creative proposals are a factor.
2. The Governor knows something no one else does.

From my short stint of living in the Twin Cities metro, its number one. The MSP area is very much gobbling up businesses from the Dakotas, Iowa, Wisconsin. The state is VERY stringent with its money following the government shutdown.

Odds are, the Minneapolis St Paul metro is not very interested in winning this.


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Group in charge of St. Louis' Amazon bid keeping details a secret

No drawings or markups of what will be presented are available. How much the bid is costing the city is also unavailable.

News 4 was told there is a good reason for the secrecy, which will be revealed in November

http://www.kmov.com/story/36630989/grou ... s-a-secret

I wonder if an additional transit solution is part of this bid as most the the North Riverfront is pretty far from the Eads Bridge Station. Maybe a good chance to put in a short streetcar line down the spine of the campus connecting to downtown and maybe even running down Washington Ave for a bit.

goat314 wrote: ↑

Oct 19, 2017

Group in charge of St. Louis' Amazon bid keeping details a secret

No drawings or markups of what will be presented are available. How much the bid is costing the city is also unavailable.

News 4 was told there is a good reason for the secrecy, which will be revealed in November

http://www.kmov.com/story/36630989/grou ... s-a-secret

Fox2 is reporting that the cost will be around $400k and will be paid mostly with private donations.

GoHarvOrGoHome wrote: ↑

Oct 19, 2017

I wonder if an additional transit solution is part of this bid as most the the North Riverfront is pretty far from the Eads Bridge Station. Maybe a good chance to put in a short streetcar line down the spine of the campus connecting to downtown and maybe even running down Washington Ave for a bit.

I would hope that eventually, if in the 1% chance that this happens, that we would actually see I-44 and I-70 torn out, at least through Downtown, or bury the whole damn thing and recreate the 3rd street boulevard with a streetcar connection. Either that or along Broadway.

My thoughts are that it might encourage people who have to travel across the river to just pick a side and live there, and with the new north side bridge, might encourage some people to put roots down in north city again.

Personally, I hate ridiculous commutes. I cannot believe people are willing to sit in traffic to cross the PSB, and that's why I moved close to where I work and where my industry is centered. We can't undo the autocentric city planning which facilitated a lot of westward migration, but we can mitigate many of the obvious things that contribute to it. The only reason there are huge job giants out in Chesterfield, etc., is because of the sprawl enabled by personal vehicles.

One possibility on the transit is possibly a beginning stub of a future metrolink line going north. Since there are some right of ways from rail lines that could be used to go further north, convert the express lanes on 70 to a metrolink line, or even set it up to go that direction and see about including tracks for a line in a replacement for Merchants Bridge which has been talked about and needed.

Missouri banking on futuristic tube travel in bid for Amazon HQ2

JEFFERSON CITY • Opting against picking a favorite between St. Louis and Kansas City, Gov. Eric Greitens is telling Amazon it could have both cities — plus a sprinkling of Columbia — if the company chooses a Missouri location for its second headquarters.

Although the Show-Me State’s largest metropolitan areas are 250 miles apart, the Greitens administration says connecting the two via a futuristic and largely unproven people-mover called the Hyperloop could serve as the catalyst for the online retailer to put a Missouri location on its short list.

“We actually think this is something that deserves serious consideration. It’s the kind of thing that would fit with Amazon’s bold thinking,” said Drew Erdmann, who serves as Greitens’ chief operating officer. “We’re just challenging Amazon to think in a new way.”

The concept is part of a state-focused bid package being submitted to Amazon in addition to the separate bids by Kansas City and St. Louis. At stake is a $5 billion project that could amount to 50,000 high paying tech jobs that has become an economic rallying cry for cities across North America.

more:http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt ... e-featured

It's a shame the state can't put its efforts directly behind one (STL) effort.
From the RFP and preceding regional actions, it's abundantly clear to me that out of the two, St. Louis is the most prepared for this level of effort.

I don't know. We say Hyperloop can do KC in 24.9 minutes. I see from schedules back in 1972 that TWA used to schedule non-stops from KC for only 45 minutes. Nowadays SW schedules flights from KC for 55 minutes, because they fly slower and higher to save fuel, and may pad their schedule to arrive on time. So is Hyperloop going to be worth the extra 20.1 minutes one could save over air travel time from 1972?

Then again, I thought tunnels were crazy expensive until I visited Switzerland where they have a 36 mile train tunnel and plan to build a 3rd tunnel on an interstate parallel to two existing tunnels just so they can do repairs on the two existing tunnels. Maybe long Hyperloop trains can move lots of people cheap.

http://www.departedflights.com/TW043072p31.html

Greitens tweeted out this website regarding the proposal

http://www.makeMOHQ2home.com

imperialmog wrote: ↑

Oct 19, 2017

One possibility on the transit is possibly a beginning stub of a future metrolink line going north. Since there are some right of ways from rail lines that could be used to go further north, convert the express lanes on 70 to a metrolink line, or even set it up to go that direction and see about including tracks for a line in a replacement for Merchants Bridge which has been talked about and needed.

Why don't we repurpose the MacArthur Bridge?

I don't understand why it closed to vehicle traffic anyways.

Pieces of the STL bid are being made public. Just some branding as of now. It appears the theme is “huSTLe”


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chriss752 wrote: ↑

Oct 19, 2017

Greitens tweeted out this website regarding the proposal

http://www.makeMOHQ2home.com

eh...they lost me at Ted Drewe's being the World's Best Ice Cream....

MTBE wrote: ↑

Oct 19, 2017

chriss752 wrote: ↑

Oct 19, 2017

Greitens tweeted out this website regarding the proposal

http://www.makeMOHQ2home.com

eh...they lost me at Ted Drewe's being the World's Best Ice Cream....

Although I don't see citations, I suspect they're pointing out things they can lay claim to via awards. We all know it's custard, but Ted Drewes WAS named the World's Best Ice Cream last year.

http://fox2now.com/2017/02/13/ted-drewe ... the-world/

So.... Just playing devil's advocate here, I'm curious if anyone has any thoughts on the chances of Amazon2STL being a negative if it were to happen? Basically the city over extending itself or similar unintended consequences of past urban renewal or silver bullet projects?

San Luis Native wrote: ↑

Oct 19, 2017

So.... Just playing devil's advocate here, I'm curious if anyone has any thoughts on the chances of Amazon2STL being a negative if it were to happen? Basically the city over extending itself or similar unintended consequences of past urban renewal or silver bullet projects?

Not sure.

I'd much rather the city try and fail then continue doing the same things as it has the past handful of decades.

San Luis Native wrote:So.... Just playing devil's advocate here, I'm curious if anyone has any thoughts on the chances of Amazon2STL being a negative if it were to happen? Basically the city over extending itself or similar unintended consequences of past urban renewal or silver bullet projects?

I think this is a really good point. I think it could cause extreme gentrification in some areas. Might also cause an uptick in cost of living.


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There will absolutely be negative consequences because I don't think anywhere in society—certainly not this country—has figured out how to achieve prosperity without leaving others behind.

How do you make a neighborhood a good livable place, without making it unaffordable for those who already live there?

How do you create momentum to bring in or create tax generating businesses without offering them tax and other public incentives that hinder the gain?

Essentially we're talking about gentrification and public subsidy.

Some people have theories. Some people have ideas. Some people oppose both flatly. Some people consider it to be progress worth the negatives.

All I know is nobody has gotten it right yet. I'd personally rather try to get it right while we're creating jobs and residents and momentum, but it definitely is something we'll need to be ready for if this comes to fruition.

bwcrow1s wrote: Not sure.

I'd much rather the city try and fail then continue doing the same things as it has the past handful of decades.

Chalupas54 wrote: ↑

Oct 19, 2017

I think this is a really good point. I think it could cause extreme gentrification in some areas. Might also cause an uptick in cost of living.

My dream scenario for urban STL (the city and parts of the county) is that it pulls itself up by its own bootstraps. It doesn't rely on outside change agents for success but increases in its own organic beauty until it is undeniably a highly desirable place to be.

Now, I'm no expert on how these things work. And my dream scenario may be a pipe dream. Maybe the answer is indeed "transplants".