Have a tough time seeing how Lambert is really a game changer in region's RFP.
However, talk about a different take and look at things with BJ's commentary on their website this morning. Like the thinking behind the argument made. It would be a game changer and the I-70 corridor/right of way is doable in manageable distance & cost.
To stand out from the pack, we need to do something truly bold and visionary, like building the first intercity Hyperloop between St. Louis and Kansas City. Such a Hyperloop would instantly change the conversation about our region and our state. It would allow Amazon to draw on a population of 5.5 million people from two of the best innovation cities in the country.
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Amazon could dominate the core of Downtown, and the Gateway Mall could be their de facto campus.
Start with the ATT Tower, then build right across the Gateway Mall on the (mostly) vacant lot at 10th and Market, then the three blocks of Ballpark Village Phase III, then the Mike Shannon's site at 7th St., and finally replace the garages on Chestnut between Broadway and 7th.
don't forget the Eagleton Lawn, Cupples X, Cupples 7, Kaufman Park and Eternal Flame Park. If that's not enough we should be able to open up a few more blocks by modifying how some of the off ramps merge to the street at 10th and Clark and if it help give them the old police station block (Clark and Tucker) and the parking lots by City Hall and Scottrade Center (or could it be the newly renovated Amazon Arena...)
Here’s some quick research I have done regarding our competitors. I have broken them down into three categories. My research method is local response and total amount of articles about the pursuit in that metro. It obviously can’t be 100% accurate but it’s a general idea
Cities -aggressively- pursuing amazon:
Detroit
Pittsburgh
Birmingham, AL
St. Louis
Kansas City
^^These metros have all formed regional committees for the project or are the only ones who have publicized it.
Cities “pursuing” Amazon:
Chicago
Cleveland
Austin
Cincinnati
Denver
Portland
Indianapolis
Dallas
Los Angeles
Nashville
Orlando
Philadelphia
Baltimore
Raleigh
Charlotte
Sioux Falls, SD (lol)
Minneapolis
Milwaukee
Oakland
NYC
edit: This list is much much longer, but it gives a general idea
Cities that are NOT or have not publicly commented on pursuing Amazon:
Columbus, OH
Wichita
No mention of St. Louis at all in the article. Cities mentioned include Tucson, Philly, NYC, Chicago, Dallas, Atlanta, Denver, Pittsburgh, Connecticut, DC, Canada and more. St. Louis is SOOOO not on the national media radar for this.
No mention of St. Louis at all in the article. Cities mentioned include Tucson, Philly, NYC, Chicago, Dallas, Atlanta, Denver, Pittsburgh, Connecticut, DC, Canada and more. St. Louis is SOOOO not on the national media radar for this.
No mention of St. Louis at all in the article. Cities mentioned include Tucson, Philly, NYC, Chicago, Dallas, Atlanta, Denver, Pittsburgh, Connecticut, DC, Canada and more. St. Louis is SOOOO not on the national media radar for this.
exactly
This helps us more than it hurts us IMO. It gives the STL Bid the opportunity to set our own narrative other than it being set by the national media.
I agree, but I think it's also evidence that in the eyes of the rest of the country, St. Louis is pretty much dismissed as a real contender (the recent Inc. and NYTimes editorials not withstanding, obviously).
I've seen the Explore St. Louis video from last year circulating around social media lately to help rev up the #Amazon2STL effort, and honestly I think it misses the mark completely and doesn't reflect the uniqueness and creativity of the city at all. I mean, yeah, it's polished, but every city has sports, every city has museums, every city has a zoo, and every city can cite news articles touting its "thriving tech scene." What it barely shows is what truly makes St. Louis stand out from the crowd-- our historic residential architecture, which I think is a real damn shame. Without a doubt, the first thing visitors notice is the amazing architecture EVERYWHERE. No matter where visitors come from, they are blown away by the quality and quantity of solid brick neighborhoods. Not to mention how relatively CHEAP it is. This is our strongest competitive advantage. This is our biggest selling point. And it's what makes this city so damn photogenic, so like, why not load up the B-roll with our sexy brick flats and rowhouses in local promo videos???
Hopefully the St. Louis Amazon committee will have the sense to tap the awesome creative community here- if we're going to compete against San Francisco and New York and Philly and LA, we have to bring more to the table than baseball and zebras and WalletHub quotes.
No mention of St. Louis at all in the article. Cities mentioned include Tucson, Philly, NYC, Chicago, Dallas, Atlanta, Denver, Pittsburgh, Connecticut, DC, Canada and more. St. Louis is SOOOO not on the national media radar for this.
It might also be because we haven't done anything "wacky" like try to ship amazon a cactus, which was mostly the theme of the article. I am fine with us not doing something like that.
Just daydreaming here.
Since ESTL is in play, this would be a rather bold way to connect downtown/Illinois.
I can see this fitting into the Chouteau Greenway vision as well.
shadrach wrote:Just daydreaming here.
Since ESTL is in play, this would be a rather bold way to connect downtown/Illinois.
I can see this fitting into the Chouteau Greenway vision as well.
I think Eads bridge might be a likelier connection. I’m pretty sure that’s been proposed/planned in the past. Maybe not eliminating all traffic right of way, but at least dramatically reducing it. Giving it a pier type feeling.
Yes, Easy for San Jose to say when Google is already buying up prime downtown real estate for a major TOD campus with 20-25,000 jobs to placed on top of the fact that Apple bought up a chunk of North San Jose near the airport and has a lesser known campus already under development and thousands of more jobs..
I think this WSJ article might be relevant. Same old same old, not what proposal makes the most sense or the best business sense but where Jeff Bezos would rather be flying too.
The Amazon chief owns multiple properties, including more than 300,000 acres in Texas. In choosing a site for the company’s second headquarters, known as HQ2, will he seek a spot close to home?
I feel all these cities are like young high school girls fighting for the ultimate prize! To be the prom date and more with Bezos
Also is St.Louis ever considered relevant in anything?
Besides crime
Being sarcastic
Up in Detroit, they are not messing around with this one. To recap, Windsor Canada is involved making it the only binational bid. Also, they have Dan Gilbert.
chriss752 wrote:Up in Detroit, they are not messing around with this one. To recap, Windsor Canada is involved making it the only binational bid. Also, they have Dan Gilbert.
chriss752 wrote:Up in Detroit, they are not messing around with this one. To recap, Windsor Canada is involved making it the only binational bid. Also, they have Dan Gilbert.
chriss752 wrote:Up in Detroit, they are not messing around with this one. To recap, Windsor Canada is involved making it the only binational bid. Also, they have Dan Gilbert.
I really think it’s between St Louis and Detroit. Except STL IMO has much more to offer.
Again, I think One ATT Center is what sets St Louis apart.
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BUT... our bid won't include the AT&T Center if the report from yesterday is true.
Just found the report. However, I had heard just on Thursday that the ATT Center held a very prominent place in the site offerings section of the bid. I believe the report means the “land offerings” to amazon are on the North Riverfront and ESTL. The ATT Center is very much in play from my understanding...
I believe St.Louis is a leading wild card contender.. Amazon could make differences in any city that it chooses to enter but if the company is really looking to make the best of all differences St.Louis is the place to go! A city thats consistently overlooked a city thats quietly going through its own renaissance thats been obscured by protest. Theres a lot to offer here and if you don't want to live in the city you can always live in some of the safest burbs in the country. St.Louis is truly not on the radar type city
definitely will get people scratching heads if they chose here but. Even if we lack talent i don't think they have a hard time getting talent to move here money always talks besides isn't that how all cities became what they were is talent from all over the country and world came to them?
Amazon could make differences in any city that it chooses to enter but if the company is really looking to make the best of all differences St.Louis is the place to go!
Would be happy to be wrong here, but I'd be a little surprised if "making a difference" is much of a priority for Amazon. They're a publicly traded company. I would think ROI is what their decision will be all about.
I really think it’s between St Louis and Detroit. Except STL IMO has much more to offer.
Again, I think One ATT Center is what sets St Louis apart.
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BUT... our bid won't include the AT&T Center if the report from yesterday is true.
The KMOX article (I posted earlier) states the ATT Center is involved because it talks about the metro stop right outside of it. I think at minimum it would be used as the initial office. They could move to the North riverfront/East St. Louis after they build it out.
"St. Louis will propose 909 Chestnut, the largest skyscraper downtown, as the move-in ready option.
There are MetroLink stations at the base of the AT&T tower, at Laclede’s Landing next to the north riverfront and in East St. Louis. Additionally, there’s another downtown station on Washington Avenue."
"Sheila was in a KMOX studio Friday for an in-depth interview on the Amazon effort. You can hear the inside details on ‘Nothing Impossible’ with Michael Calhoun and Travis Sheridan Sunday at noon."
Even if we lack talent i don't think they have a hard time getting talent to move here money always talks besides isn't that how all cities became what they were is talent from all over the country and world came to them?
Do we really lack talent? Or does it all exist out in the suburbs?
"St. Louis will propose 909 Chestnut, the largest skyscraper downtown, as the move-in ready option.
There are MetroLink stations at the base of the AT&T tower, at Laclede’s Landing next to the north riverfront and in East St. Louis. Additionally, there’s another downtown station on Washington Avenue."
I really think it could be a great site for them on the North Riverfront. Imagine if we also incorporated a removing the elevated I-70 lanes, returning third street and adding a third street street car? I think between that, N/S expansion, and the existing two lines, we have a pretty beefy transportation system.
I'm just dreaming, though. MoDot would never destroy those lanes.
Also, this pitch video -- is it released anywhere?
Transit might be the only definitive criteria they provided, but that isn't stopping a lot of cities from applying. I might be a little biased, but I dont think any rail less than 10 miles technically qualifies as mass transit. Streetcars are great for moving people around downtown and surrounding neighborhoods, but they're not ideal when dispersing large populations in multiple directions. IMO that alone eliminates: Nashville, Indianapolis, Detroit, Cincinnati, Milwaukee, Raleigh, Charlotte, Oklahoma City, Kansas City.