I think its just a huge step forward for downtown to even have a 8 story Loews brand, 12 story office as first new class A space in years and hopefully adds a few jobs even if it is a downtown business playing musical chairs, and a new 29/30 story high rise residential tower. BPV II as is fits well with Clark Street and Busch stadium across the street IMO.cardinalstl wrote: ↑Oct 05, 2017Anybody else a little disappointed that some of the most prime real estate in downtown has an 8 and 12 story building proposed? I know the hotel market is a little saturated and the office market is weak but still.
Love the 30 story residential building though.
Can phase 3 please include purchasing and rehabbing the Millennium? Until that's done, the views are less than stellar when you have a shuttered hotel right next to you.goat314 wrote: ↑Oct 05, 2017KC Power and Light went through a similar process as BPV. Once the first residential tower sold out, the 2nd one was announced in short order. I think views of the Arch and Busch Stadium is a much bigger draw than Power and Light, so expect to hear announcements for phase III befor phase II is even completed. The height of phase III likely depends on how much demand there is for phase II, but I would guess it will be at least a similar height.
If this development proves successful, I have little doubt that the Millennium and/or the land that it sits on will be redeveloped and reactivated. All about momentum.bwcrow1s wrote: ↑Oct 05, 2017Can phase 3 please include purchasing and rehabbing the Millennium? Until that's done, the views are less than stellar when you have a shuttered hotel right next to you.goat314 wrote: ↑Oct 05, 2017KC Power and Light went through a similar process as BPV. Once the first residential tower sold out, the 2nd one was announced in short order. I think views of the Arch and Busch Stadium is a much bigger draw than Power and Light, so expect to hear announcements for phase III befor phase II is even completed. The height of phase III likely depends on how much demand there is for phase II, but I would guess it will be at least a similar height.
I'd rather see it replaced. Or at least replace the smaller addition at Fourth and Walnut. The whole thing is a big waste of land.
Agreed. That view is known the world over. Undoubtedly, anything built there will have to be a landmark in and of itselfframer wrote:^Nope. The blocks facing the Arch make up the Face of St. Louis; they have to be quality high-rise. It's our money shot, after all. We gotta build that area for the long term.
^I will allow you to build this on the fountain as long as you agree to renovate the tower and get the restaurant spinning again.wabash wrote: Would love the entire Millennium block turned into a 5-7 story apartment building - even if primarily wood frame.
It's Bo Hart, guys.framer wrote: ↑Oct 06, 2017I wasn't speaking of Bo Hart, but rather an older player who had a long, distinguished career with the Cards. Out of respect to his privacy, I'm not going to name him.
Oddly enough, they chose a unit facing the river, because they didn't want to be bothered by the home-run fireworks.
I wouldnt mind seeing the Stouffers torn down and rebuilt as a more modern signature building of 30+ floors.. Office hotel and residential. Thats prime real estate and almost our front dooraprice wrote: ↑Oct 06, 2017Personally, I'd love to see the entire Stouffers (Millennium) complex preserved. Preferably not as apartments, it has too many architectural quirks to be closed to the public. Obviously a hotel would be ideal but if it could be turned into a giant T-Rex type space, it would be a truly great regional asset.
As for the architectural quirks:
1) STL's only revolving restaurant (which could be used even if it's a residential conversion)
2) Large two-story lobby which would be very underused as residential. The lobby has amazing arch views and which almost no other downtown hotel can offer, at least in the lobby.
3) One of the largest hotel ballrooms in the region.
4) The south addition atrium could be an amazing space.
5) They built a building on top of the north wing, which is just cool.
As for what this has to do with ballpark village, yes, hopefully we find that there's still demand and maybe even more demand after Phase 3 completion. We probably don't need that many hotel rooms after all of these boutique hotels but again, we'll have to gauge the market.
