What I want to know is why the design has to include “ST. LOUIS” in like 20 different fonts and in locations all over the place
Ok. Because I was wondering about it. Just would seem off if there was a whole bunch of “St. Louis” all over the place. We don’t need to be told that we are in St. Louis. Even out of towners know.
Hmm. I wonder if it is the official unveiling or the groundbreaking? ![]()
And not just moving their offices here - they should have some sort of Rawlings Store open any time BPV is as well as an 'experience' attraction. Off the top of my head:
• Have a small glove-making or bat station and let baseball fans watch bats and gloves they purchase being made. Have an option to include an inscription on your new (either pre-made or made-in-house) Rawlings gear.
• Have a history of Rawlings in baseball (or more generally in sports) exhibit with examples of Rawlings products used in games that are important historically to St. Louis specifically and/or the sport in general.
Include stations showing how a glove, bat, ball, etc is made with examples in various states of assembly.
• Host 'parent-child game of catch' days on the old Busch II infield, or even better on the Busch III field on a day when there's no game. Let folks get some immediate use out of these gloves and balls they're buying from The Rawlings Store, or BYOE.
• Better yet, raffle off (for charity, of course) player-fan games of catch.
• Rawlings makes hockey gear too; market the store at (the soon-to-be ex-) ScotTrade Center and of course in BPV Live!, especially when they're showing Blues games on the big screen. Do Blues-themed events at BPV during hockey season.
• Have indoor batting cages and 'hockey cages' with a system that returns pucks to you. Purchase a new bat or hockey stick and the price includes tokens for the cages, Or buy tokens and you can use their bats/sticks. (this might take up too much room, but would be pretty awesome.)
Outside of the hyper-targeted marketing opportunities of hanging a massive Rawlings sign within sight of 3M+ baseball fans (and TV exposure on game nights), they have a built-in massive tourist market from which to draw. It would keep folks here for ballgames hanging out downtown and spending money. It could even be an off-season draw - a 'history of Rawlings' exhibition would pair perfectly with the Cardinals HOF.
Am I crazy to think they could make a mint off of something like this?
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Nope. Louisville Slugger has done quite well with a similar model.
Rawlings could easily have their own Gold Glove Hall of Fame and mini museum. They could do well by including some attractions like batting cages or speed gun / throwing cages too.
Rawlings could easily have their own Gold Glove Hall of Fame and mini museum. They could do well by including some attractions like batting cages or speed gun / throwing cages too.
A model that would seem to fit well downtown better than anywhere else in the region between the Arch Grounds, City Museum, Blues Museum & forthcoming Union Station additions & next to an All American Franchise in the Cardinals.chaifetz10 wrote: ↑Sep 28, 2017Nope. Louisville Slugger has done quite well with a similar model.
Rawlings could easily have their own Gold Glove Hall of Fame and mini museum. They could do well by including some attractions like batting cages or speed gun / throwing cages too.
My only thought Rawlings never made the move was always money thing. But odd in sports considering you have to pay the dollars to be in the big leagues. That Nike Shoe price or Under Armor shirt price is all about marketing and as Chaifetz noted, even a small firm in the scheme of sports, Louisville Slugger understands that you need to make brand noticeable in more than one way. .
Give me the world's largest glove! Everyone and their mothers would want to sit in it and take a picture. Make it twice the size of the one in AT&T Park.
I do not watch or like baseball, but if they did somehow have a small factory/workshop with demonstrations or tours I would definitely go. Doesn’t have to be a large volume, it could even be more specialized/bespoke gear.
I do not watch or like baseball, but if they did somehow have a small factory/workshop with demonstrations or tours I would definitely go. Doesn’t have to be a large volume, it could even be more specialized/bespoke gear.
Sounds like PWC is moving to BPV and Rawlings will have a fan experience. Not moving their offices. Announcement mid October. Via @buildingstl
Yes. That is my Website. I have a family friend who we met with today for lunch, she said that the rumors are true so I tweeted it out. Thought it would have been of importance to everyone. In regards to the Rawlings thing, she said that the fan experience is a given but offices are unknown. She is pretty confident that Rawlings won’t be moving in to the office portion though.jshank83 wrote:Sounds like PWC is moving to BPV and Rawlings will have a fan experience. Not moving their offices. Announcement mid October. Via @buildingstl
There will be other offices in the building as well but less significant and small.
Can’t wait for the official announcement!
Thanks for the info. A little disappointing that the main tenant is already a downtown company. I am sure the Rawling area will be cool but I wish they were just moving everything downtown. Either way, it is good it all is getting built.chriss752 wrote: ↑Oct 01, 2017Yes. That is my Website. I have a family friend who we met with today for lunch, she said that the rumors are true so I tweeted it out. Thought it would have been of importance to everyone. In regards to the Rawlings thing, she said that the fan experience is a given but offices are unknown. She is pretty confident that Rawlings won’t be moving in to the office portion though.jshank83 wrote:Sounds like PWC is moving to BPV and Rawlings will have a fan experience. Not moving their offices. Announcement mid October. Via @buildingstl
There will be other offices in the building as well but less significant and small.
Can’t wait for the official announcement!
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We need jobs and residents, not a "fan experience" and an employee move from a block away. If Rawlings was moving jobs here from the suburbs, that would be a win. If they don't, it is another disappointment.
How are the Cardinals completely failing at marketing some of the only new Class A office space in Downtown, next to the stadium?
Who is in charge of this? Holy sh*t.
Who is in charge of this? Holy sh*t.
I have a different take,Mark Groth wrote: ↑Oct 01, 2017We need jobs and residents, not a "fan experience" and an employee move from a block away. If Rawlings was moving jobs here from the suburbs, that would be a win. If they don't, it is another disappointment.
This will the first new Class A downtown office space built in how many years? With a new high rise residential tower on the other side of BPV. Another big plus for downtown This might not have a big jobs win too it but it is a win for downtown and will make it easier to push BPV II forward and maybe this help Cupples X secure tenant/break ground & Muni Courts building development. Its small ball until an anchor tenant can be found for ATT one center.
New construction cost means you have some most expensive space in a downtown flush with space and some of the cheapest leasable square footage in the country. Office market deflation is the words that come to mind. I think it would really take the something of the scale of Amazon or close to it to change the market as not sure if filling ATT one center alone does it.
In the meantime I blame both, DeWitt/Cordish need to sell an experience but they have the best experience in the region to sell but my gut feeling is the expected return is too high & neither has to settle for less.
I also blame corporate leadership who don't want to pay a premium that would amount to a small fraction of their costs. Think of Enterprise setting up IT space away from their main campus last year believe, they could have easily leased downtown space for the couple hundred employees but found more space in west county. RGA and Bunge NA are other examples. RGA being near Stiffel Nichols and Wells Fargo Securities doesn't mean much for their day to day business but the perception of all them together strengthens St Louis image as a financial region. I also thought Bunge NA in downtown with ties to all the commodities they send down the big muddy a great fit for Laclede's Landing or maybe they could have anchor Chouteau Landing/Nestle
Well there is this looks like things well happen
http://www.buildingstlnews.com/the-blog ... th-tenants
http://www.buildingstlnews.com/the-blog ... th-tenants
True_dope wrote:Well there is this looks like things well happen
http://www.buildingstlnews.com/the-blog ... th-tenants
This was written before I learned of PwC and the Rawlings Plan.
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The residential is great, and I think due to the stadium it may bring in people who would not otherwise consider living in STL. Much welcomed. The PwC thing is musical chairs. Rawlings not moving their corporate office and employees here is a miss. We need people in DT all year, not 81 days each year. We don't need more tourist attractions that attract only the game day crowd. City Museum is a tourist attraction yet an asset to people who live here. Same can be said about the zoo, botanical gardens, etc. I'm not thinking this Rawlings proposal will bring much to DT and STL as a whole. Neat game day thing, not much else. The Centene thing was a major blow that we must not forget or simply just shrug off. Clayton serves a population of ~16,000, STL about 300,000. We needed that more and they chose the burbs.
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This just shows how bad the office market is in Downtown. There's just no demand from StL corporations. Our companies are still stuck in that 1960's mindset of building sprawling suburban office park campuses with massive open parking lots so they can provide free parking to employees. Other areas of the country have seen a reversal where companies are leaving suburban campuses for downtown offices, but as usual, StL companies are way behind the trend.
Obviously an archaic government structure is probably St. Louis' #1 impediment to growth, but hard to argue that civic and corporate leaders are also very much apart of the problem in St. Louis. For the most part they are not dynamic, they are not diverse, and they do not know what a 21st century workforce should look like.SouthCityJR wrote: ↑Oct 02, 2017This just shows how bad the office market is in Downtown. There's just no demand from StL corporations. Our companies are still stuck in that 1960's mindset of building sprawling suburban office park campuses with massive open parking lots so they can provide free parking to employees. Other areas of the country have seen a reversal where companies are leaving suburban campuses for downtown offices, but as usual, StL companies are way behind the trend.
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The region of this country that basically powers today's global economy and draws the smartest people young and old from all over the world (silicon valley) is almost entirely composed of "suburban office park campuses with massive open parking lots so they can provide free parking to employees". Now, is this my cup of tea aesthetically and lifestyle wise? No. But this weird idea that only dense places are successful that has become dogma on urbanist forums is just factually not true.SouthCityJR wrote: ↑Oct 02, 2017This just shows how bad the office market is in Downtown. There's just no demand from StL corporations. Our companies are still stuck in that 1960's mindset of building sprawling suburban office park campuses with massive open parking lots so they can provide free parking to employees. Other areas of the country have seen a reversal where companies are leaving suburban campuses for downtown offices, but as usual, StL companies are way behind the trend.
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I never said that suburban office parks need to go away completely or that they aren't successful in other cities because obviously they are. But take Silicon Valley as an example. Yes it started with suburban office campuses but then spread to traditional office towers in Downtown San Fran as companies like Twitter wanted to have an urban office to appeal to their millennial workforce that mostly preferred to live in the City and was growing tired of reverse commuting to the suburbs. GE is now moving from the CT suburbs to downtown Boston and other companies across the country are doing the same. In those cities obviously still very many companies will continue to reside in the suburbs. My point is just that StL seems to have exactly 0 companies looking to relocate from the suburbs to downtown. Once again we are behind on a trend. I don't expect Chesterfield office parks to suddenly empty out but it would be nice if we could snag one or two companies. Even that small ask seems difficult right now.
I agree.SouthCityJR wrote: ↑Oct 03, 2017I never said that suburban office parks need to go away completely or that they aren't successful in other cities because obviously they are. But take Silicon Valley as an example. Yes it started with suburban office campuses but then spread to traditional office towers in Downtown San Fran as companies like Twitter wanted to have an urban office to appeal to their millennial workforce that mostly preferred to live in the City and was growing tired of reverse commuting to the suburbs. GE is now moving from the CT suburbs to downtown Boston and other companies across the country are doing the same. In those cities obviously still very many companies will continue to reside in the suburbs. My point is just that StL seems to have exactly 0 companies looking to relocate from the suburbs to downtown. Once again we are behind on a trend. I don't expect Chesterfield office parks to suddenly empty out but it would be nice if we could snag one or two companies. Even that small ask seems difficult right now.
It's probably also difficult because most of their workforce probably lives out there. Not exactly in their employees best interests to have to trek 30 minutes east to Downtown.
What we have created with the sprawl is likely irreversible.
The most frustrating part of that from a civic standpoint is that despite having numerous large companies - public and private - located here, none seem to have interest in using their resources to help revitalize the city. It was obviously more common years ago when companies like Purina, SW Bell, AG Edwards wanted to have a presence downtown and position themselves as community leaders.
That philosophy has certainly died down with the abundance of mergers/acquisitions that have rid most cities of those companies that are involved heavily in civic issues, but it still exists. Detroit is obviously the most prominent case now as Dan Gilbert has taken a lead role in rebuilding/investing in downtown. Amazon probably the most famous example of recent years having basically propped up a monster expansion in downtown Seattle.
Meanwhile, the new WWT building goes up in a pond in Westport, Ed Jones decides to double down on all things 270, Bunge and RGA build in Chesterfield, Express Scripts stays embedded in north county and Centene goes up in Clayton despite half the residents complaining about them.
Positive PR only has so much tangible value, but it would be nice to see a company take a very public lead role in bringing back downtown by investing. I guess you could argue the Cardinals are doing it now with BPV2.
That philosophy has certainly died down with the abundance of mergers/acquisitions that have rid most cities of those companies that are involved heavily in civic issues, but it still exists. Detroit is obviously the most prominent case now as Dan Gilbert has taken a lead role in rebuilding/investing in downtown. Amazon probably the most famous example of recent years having basically propped up a monster expansion in downtown Seattle.
Meanwhile, the new WWT building goes up in a pond in Westport, Ed Jones decides to double down on all things 270, Bunge and RGA build in Chesterfield, Express Scripts stays embedded in north county and Centene goes up in Clayton despite half the residents complaining about them.
Positive PR only has so much tangible value, but it would be nice to see a company take a very public lead role in bringing back downtown by investing. I guess you could argue the Cardinals are doing it now with BPV2.