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^ If this is true it would be only the 1st of the 787-8 they ordered that is accounted for and spread out over the next year or so. And I think those are all to start new routes and not replace old planes, and considering what their pattern has been in using those and where. This does't even count any that are in use now that could be free up by upgauging something.

There just seems to be too much smoke lately that one of those three remaining or a freed up one wouldn't be for here, (the other three i think are some months later and may be delayed a few months due to delays on the Boeing end) it could be just having it ready in time along with no news leaks. With the weird comment the mayor said combined with some odd things at the airport, something seems up.

imperialmog wrote: ↑

Aug 04, 2017

^ If this is true it would be only the 1st of the 787-8 they ordered that is accounted for and spread out over the next year or so. And I think those are all to start new routes and not replace old planes, and considering what their pattern has been in using those and where. This does't even count any that are in use now that could be free up by upgauging something.

There just seems to be too much smoke lately that one of those three remaining or a freed up one wouldn't be for here, (the other three i think are some months later and may be delayed a few months due to delays on the Boeing end) it could be just having it ready in time along with no news leaks. With the weird comment the mayor said combined with some odd things at the airport, something seems up.

This makes sense to me to an extent. With the recent documents indicating gate changes in the C Concourse and that an airline is looking to use one of the American gates, something is brewing. Unfortunately however, this still doe snot come to answer the slot issues at LHR. There are really no available slots left. Unless BA is planning to utilize LGW, I don't see us getting an LHR flight. As I stated before, STL is now by leaps and bounds the largest market in North America without a TATL. There is a market here.

I think I'd throw this out also-
Austin used very little incentives, and there was no leak. NOLA (assuming BNA) practically sold the airport to British Airways, and there were leaks... Maybe that's not the case here, hence no leaks? BUT, I do agree. There is a ton of smoke about this. As I posted in my first shock/depression post, I have heard that British Airways was working with an STL advertising agency to draw up promotional materials. I have grave doubts about it given tonights news, but again, something nonetheless.

^ I think the slot issues are not what they appear. They are often sitting on slots by smaller aircraft at higher frequency than needed to short range flights to keep slots, which is a common situation with anyone who has a hub in a slot controlled airport to have some routes and frequencies be slot sitting flights. Since its a use it or lose it thing.

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Chalupas54 wrote: ↑

Aug 04, 2017

Again, I am puzzled by this given that BNA does not have a functioning customs facility and will not have one for at least the next few years.

They have to have something they are using now. AA/DL run Cancun flights and Vacation Express runs charters to the Caribbean. I would imagine it isn't the greatest and doing one of those routes is different than a widebody jet but they have to have something now that is usable. Whatever they are putting in temporary I would imagine would handle more.

FWIW, I am under the impression they are working on one now by what people in Nashville have said on other boards. I assume they know what is going on.

jshank83 wrote: ↑

Aug 04, 2017

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Chalupas54 wrote: ↑

Aug 04, 2017

Again, I am puzzled by this given that BNA does not have a functioning customs facility and will not have one for at least the next few years.

They have to have something they are using now. AA/DL run Cancun flights and Vacation Express runs charters to the Caribbean. I would imagine it isn't the greatest and doing one of those routes is different than a widebody jet but they have to have something now that is usable. Whatever they are putting in temporary I would imagine would handle more.

FWIW, I am under the impression they are working on one now by what people in Nashville have said on other boards. I assume they know what is going on.

I assumed those flights were pre-clearance, but none of those origins have them. I have always been under the impression they closed the current one to expand the concourse. Either way, good for BNA, as pissed as I am that it's not us (for now).

Yes, it is frustrating but who knows, maybe they will announce 2 routes for next year. I think they have done it in the past with FLL and New Orleans. I wouldn't say I am holding my breath, especially with the comments of the mayor acting like it is another year away, but it will come. I just think we all wish it would be in this wave.

On another note I was in the airport today and it is always fun to see how busy T2 it is these days, especially during the summer.

Have we ever figured out if Vino Volo is expanding or if they just have a big ugly facade next to their place?

Saw this article on HuffPo's site today - short on any actual content: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bil ... s_business

Billionaire Rex Sinquefield usually gets what he wants by spending big. An avid chess player, he poured tens of millions of dollars into raising his hometown’s profile in the chess world and it paid off—in 2013, Congress named St. Louis, Missouri, the nation’s “chess capital.”

But when it comes to his ultimate goal—abolish state and local income taxes—he’s spent millions of dollars on elections and ballot initiatives for years with no success.

Now Sinquefield thinks he’s got just the right chess move to make it happen: convince St. Louis to sell off its airport.

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Aug 04, 2017

Yes, it is frustrating but who knows, maybe they will announce 2 routes for next year. I think they have done it in the past with FLL and New Orleans. I wouldn't say I am holding my breath, especially with the comments of the mayor acting like it is another year away, but it will come. I just think we all wish it would be in this wave.

On another note I was in the airport today and it is always fun to see how busy T2 it is these days, especially during the summer.

Have we ever figured out if Vino Volo is expanding or if they just have a big ugly facade next to their place?

looking on a thread relating to this. it seems like the issue is when they would get the new planes. Since it could very well be this since they are not replacing planes, but they arrive at different times and many not by summer. And considering what has worked for them they are more likely than not going to announce another US city when its available and they have a definite pattern in what cities they do decide to add.

Interesing with T2 is how busy it could be in the days around the eclipse. And the next few Southwest schedule extensions will be something to watch with the plane shortage sorted out plus new gates.

Chalupas54 wrote: ↑

Aug 04, 2017

jshank83 wrote: ↑

Aug 04, 2017

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Chalupas54 wrote: ↑

Aug 04, 2017

Again, I am puzzled by this given that BNA does not have a functioning customs facility and will not have one for at least the next few years.

They have to have something they are using now. AA/DL run Cancun flights and Vacation Express runs charters to the Caribbean. I would imagine it isn't the greatest and doing one of those routes is different than a widebody jet but they have to have something now that is usable. Whatever they are putting in temporary I would imagine would handle more.

FWIW, I am under the impression they are working on one now by what people in Nashville have said on other boards. I assume they know what is going on.

I assumed those flights were pre-clearance, but none of those origins have them. I have always been under the impression they closed the current one to expand the concourse. Either way, good for BNA, as pissed as I am that it's not us (for now).

I follow Captain Dave Wallsworth, a pilot for BA, on Twitter (@DaveWallsworth). He tweeted that there is a new A380 route coming, but he is not able to say the route until next week. Lots of people guessing it will be BNA. Hard to believe they'd get an A380 right out of the gate.

stlcards311 wrote:

Chalupas54 wrote: ↑

Aug 04, 2017

jshank83 wrote: ↑

Aug 04, 2017

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They have to have something they are using now. AA/DL run Cancun flights and Vacation Express runs charters to the Caribbean. I would imagine it isn't the greatest and doing one of those routes is different than a widebody jet but they have to have something now that is usable. Whatever they are putting in temporary I would imagine would handle more.

FWIW, I am under the impression they are working on one now by what people in Nashville have said on other boards. I assume they know what is going on.

I assumed those flights were pre-clearance, but none of those origins have them. I have always been under the impression they closed the current one to expand the concourse. Either way, good for BNA, as pissed as I am that it's not us (for now).

I follow Captain Dave Wallsworth, a pilot for BA, on Twitter (@DaveWallsworth). He tweeted that there is a new A380 route coming, but he is not able to say the route until next week. Lots of people guessing it will be BNA. Hard to believe they'd get an A380 right out of the gate.

That would be absurd. I could see it being ORD or Dallas, if in the US. Definitely not BNA.


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Trololzilla wrote: ↑

Aug 04, 2017

stlcards311 wrote: ↑

Aug 04, 2017

I follow Captain Dave Wallsworth, a pilot for BA, on Twitter (@DaveWallsworth). He tweeted that there is a new A380 route coming, but he is not able to say the route until next week. Lots of people guessing it will be BNA. Hard to believe they'd get an A380 right out of the gate.

I can essentially guarantee you BNA will not receive A380 service from BA, now or ever. If and when the route is announced, it will almost undoubtedly be on the new 787-8 they are receiving soon.

Heck, I'm not even sure BNA has the physical capability to service an A380.

This 787-8 is the first of four more they are getting, I think the other three are several months after this one and may not be ready for next summer so they wouldn't say anything related to those for a few more months. Also they are not replacing older planes too so it would be for new routes, and considering their pattern more likely than not one of the other three will be to a new US city. Makes me think with the mayor's comments they know something and its connected to that, but its too soon to say anything.

imperialmog wrote:

Trololzilla wrote: ↑

Aug 04, 2017

stlcards311 wrote: ↑

Aug 04, 2017

I follow Captain Dave Wallsworth, a pilot for BA, on Twitter (@DaveWallsworth). He tweeted that there is a new A380 route coming, but he is not able to say the route until next week. Lots of people guessing it will be BNA. Hard to believe they'd get an A380 right out of the gate.

I can essentially guarantee you BNA will not receive A380 service from BA, now or ever. If and when the route is announced, it will almost undoubtedly be on the new 787-8 they are receiving soon.

Heck, I'm not even sure BNA has the physical capability to service an A380.

This 787-8 is the first of four more they are getting, I think the other three are several months after this one and may not be ready for next summer so they wouldn't say anything related to those for a few more months. Also they are not replacing older planes too so it would be for new routes, and considering their pattern more likely than not one of the other three will be to a new US city. Makes me think with the mayor's comments they know something and its connected to that, but its too soon to say anything.

I wouldn't read to much into what Lyda says, however, if she says "we expect to land it in the next six to twelve months", she could be referencing it beginning? Either way, let's wait and see.


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Trololzilla wrote: ↑

Aug 04, 2017

stlcards311 wrote: ↑

Aug 04, 2017

I follow Captain Dave Wallsworth, a pilot for BA, on Twitter (@DaveWallsworth). He tweeted that there is a new A380 route coming, but he is not able to say the route until next week. Lots of people guessing it will be BNA. Hard to believe they'd get an A380 right out of the gate.

I can essentially guarantee you BNA will not receive A380 service from BA, now or ever. If and when the route is announced, it will almost undoubtedly be on the new 787-8 they are receiving soon.

Heck, I'm not even sure BNA has the physical capability to service an A380.

There is no way in the world they start BNA with a 380. I would highly doubt they even have jet bridges for 380s. Not many airports do. Can a 757 make it to BNA from London? I know Cincy has or had one from Paris. It might be a little far (especially in winter) but I am curious if that could make it. Although if it could, I would guess they would have already had service, like we would have if it was in range.

jshank83 wrote: ↑

Aug 05, 2017

Trololzilla wrote: ↑

Aug 04, 2017

stlcards311 wrote: ↑

Aug 04, 2017

I follow Captain Dave Wallsworth, a pilot for BA, on Twitter (@DaveWallsworth). He tweeted that there is a new A380 route coming, but he is not able to say the route until next week. Lots of people guessing it will be BNA. Hard to believe they'd get an A380 right out of the gate.

I can essentially guarantee you BNA will not receive A380 service from BA, now or ever. If and when the route is announced, it will almost undoubtedly be on the new 787-8 they are receiving soon.

Heck, I'm not even sure BNA has the physical capability to service an A380.

There is no way in the world they start BNA with a 380. I would highly doubt they even have jet bridges for 380s. Not many airports do. Can a 757 make it to BNA from London? I know Cincy has or had one from Paris. It might be a little far (especially in winter) but I am curious if that could make it. Although if it could, I would guess they would have already had service, like we would have if it was in range.

British Airways does have OpenSkies, but those 752's are only flown NYC-ORY. I would assume that if BNA is in fact getting BA then they will construct a new gate area.

There is no way in the world they start BNA with a 380. I would highly doubt they even have jet bridges for 380s. Not many airports do. Can a 757 make it to BNA from London? I know Cincy has or had one from Paris. It might be a little far (especially in winter) but I am curious if that could make it. Although if it could, I would guess they would have already had service, like we would have if it was in range.

FYI, the Cincinnati flight to CDG currently utilizes a 767

Jeff

^ Unless the one going to Rio gets swapped up when the 789 arrives a few months later, since fall is better to start or add things to southern hemisphere for their spring. Also i think they aren't retiring planes so this is growth, unlike most of the last few years where there was little growth and most new things were from cancellations of other places. So them adding two US citiies next year isn't that out there considering the setup.

Also, one reason they may want to jump into Nashville now is with that construction setup is to make sure they get the time they want to be there. And if they were looking there to do so as soon as its ready so they don't get a bad time or have to wait until its all open. Seems to be way too much smoke to think something may happen soon here when you put pieces together in recent moves and what a few people here also heard. issue may be when is the plane available to do it since you wouldn't announce something too far out in case there are delays. Though if something is announced, the airport will likely have to start looking at adding more international gates (including widebody capability) and expand the customs area due to the trend others follow not long after and it will likely be full at the time such a flight occurs (between charters and Southwest's Cancun flight arriving in mid afternoon, the same time as transatlantic flights would arrive). Extra gates might also be needed irregardless of this if Southwest adds more international flights in time since it might arrive in similar times since the Cancun one that will be done is timed very well on both ends for connections.

imperialmog wrote:^ Unless the one going to Rio gets swapped up when the 789 arrives a few months later, since fall is better to start or add things to southern hemisphere for their spring. Also i think they aren't retiring planes so this is growth, unlike most of the last few years where there was little growth and most new things were from cancellations of other places. So them adding two US citiies next year isn't that out there considering the setup.

Also, one reason they may want to jump into Nashville now is with that construction setup is to make sure they get the time they want to be there. And if they were looking there to do so as soon as its ready so they don't get a bad time or have to wait until its all open. Seems to be way too much smoke to think something may happen soon here when you put pieces together in recent moves and what a few people here also heard. issue may be when is the plane available to do it since you wouldn't announce something too far out in case there are delays. Though if something is announced, the airport will likely have to start looking at adding more international gates (including widebody capability) and expand the customs area due to the trend others follow not long after and it will likely be full at the time such a flight occurs (between charters and Southwest's Cancun flight arriving in mid afternoon, the same time as transatlantic flights would arrive). Extra gates might also be needed irregardless of this if Southwest adds more international flights in time since it might arrive in similar times since the Cancun one that will be done is timed very well on both ends for connections.

A few weeks back a charter Air Austral 777-300 parked at E29, while Southwest activity proceeded as normal in the gates next to it.
But I agree, there's a ton of smoke.


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imperialmog wrote: ↑

Aug 06, 2017

^ Unless the one going to Rio gets swapped up when the 789 arrives a few months later, since fall is better to start or add things to southern hemisphere for their spring. Also i think they aren't retiring planes so this is growth, unlike most of the last few years where there was little growth and most new things were from cancellations of other places. So them adding two US citiies next year isn't that out there considering the setup.

Also, one reason they may want to jump into Nashville now is with that construction setup is to make sure they get the time they want to be there. And if they were looking there to do so as soon as its ready so they don't get a bad time or have to wait until its all open. Seems to be way too much smoke to think something may happen soon here when you put pieces together in recent moves and what a few people here also heard. issue may be when is the plane available to do it since you wouldn't announce something too far out in case there are delays. Though if something is announced, the airport will likely have to start looking at adding more international gates (including widebody capability) and expand the customs area due to the trend others follow not long after and it will likely be full at the time such a flight occurs (between charters and Southwest's Cancun flight arriving in mid afternoon, the same time as transatlantic flights would arrive). Extra gates might also be needed irregardless of this if Southwest adds more international flights in time since it might arrive in similar times since the Cancun one that will be done is timed very well on both ends for connections.

I know I'm being a pedantic a-hole, but "irregardless" isn't a word.

ricke002 wrote: ↑

Aug 07, 2017

imperialmog wrote: ↑

Aug 06, 2017

^ Unless the one going to Rio gets swapped up when the 789 arrives a few months later, since fall is better to start or add things to southern hemisphere for their spring. Also i think they aren't retiring planes so this is growth, unlike most of the last few years where there was little growth and most new things were from cancellations of other places. So them adding two US citiies next year isn't that out there considering the setup.

Also, one reason they may want to jump into Nashville now is with that construction setup is to make sure they get the time they want to be there. And if they were looking there to do so as soon as its ready so they don't get a bad time or have to wait until its all open. Seems to be way too much smoke to think something may happen soon here when you put pieces together in recent moves and what a few people here also heard. issue may be when is the plane available to do it since you wouldn't announce something too far out in case there are delays. Though if something is announced, the airport will likely have to start looking at adding more international gates (including widebody capability) and expand the customs area due to the trend others follow not long after and it will likely be full at the time such a flight occurs (between charters and Southwest's Cancun flight arriving in mid afternoon, the same time as transatlantic flights would arrive). Extra gates might also be needed irregardless of this if Southwest adds more international flights in time since it might arrive in similar times since the Cancun one that will be done is timed very well on both ends for connections.

I know I'm being a pedantic a-hole, but "irregardless" isn't a word.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irregardless

Is irregardless a word?

Irregardless was popularized in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its increasingly widespread spoken use called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.

dmelsh wrote: ↑

Aug 07, 2017

ricke002 wrote: ↑

Aug 07, 2017

imperialmog wrote: ↑

Aug 06, 2017

^ Unless the one going to Rio gets swapped up when the 789 arrives a few months later, since fall is better to start or add things to southern hemisphere for their spring. Also i think they aren't retiring planes so this is growth, unlike most of the last few years where there was little growth and most new things were from cancellations of other places. So them adding two US citiies next year isn't that out there considering the setup.

Also, one reason they may want to jump into Nashville now is with that construction setup is to make sure they get the time they want to be there. And if they were looking there to do so as soon as its ready so they don't get a bad time or have to wait until its all open. Seems to be way too much smoke to think something may happen soon here when you put pieces together in recent moves and what a few people here also heard. issue may be when is the plane available to do it since you wouldn't announce something too far out in case there are delays. Though if something is announced, the airport will likely have to start looking at adding more international gates (including widebody capability) and expand the customs area due to the trend others follow not long after and it will likely be full at the time such a flight occurs (between charters and Southwest's Cancun flight arriving in mid afternoon, the same time as transatlantic flights would arrive). Extra gates might also be needed irregardless of this if Southwest adds more international flights in time since it might arrive in similar times since the Cancun one that will be done is timed very well on both ends for connections.

I know I'm being a pedantic a-hole, but "irregardless" isn't a word.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irregardless

Is irregardless a word?

Irregardless was popularized in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its increasingly widespread spoken use called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.

Damn it! My pedanticness got pedanticized. Sorry to derail the KSTL thread. Go on with the borophyl.