Unless the state or the feds dump serious money into job guarantees, basic income, guaranteed housing, etc. it doesn't much matter what the city does or doesn't do.St.Louis1764 wrote: ↑Jun 03, 2017Stomach wrenching sickening and embarrassing!
I'm not going to lash out cause its not even worth the wasted space and time however the AA community really needs to figure out what direction they want to go right now nothings not working out and simply adding more cops isn't going to solve anything or reduce the self genocide that continues to plague the AA communicate.
Make it what you want or say it what you want there's no denying whats going on not only in St.Louis but in this country the AA community has deep rooted issues with each other.
Like Lebron says its hard being a AA in America he's absolutely right when your own people continue to annihilate each other at an alarming rate.
Ms Krewson don't be ashamed if you have to call on the national guards i'd rather start now than wait till it gets way out of control which i think its getting to that point and whatever you decide don't raise property taxes on people who choose to live honestly thats completely punishing the good while rewarding the bad theres other solutions like cig tax soda tax etc.
Don't violate a community that continues to see a mild exodus and dwindling tax base the city's tax base is already high enough..
I'm not sure which is worse caucasians and there serious love for all sorts of narcotics or AA needing guns to obliterate each other.
I do apologize if i offended or gone too far!
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Why did Lyda even hold a press conference yesterday...
40% of it was her reassuring us that we're potentially a year away from having steady police leadership.
40% was to tell city residents that instead of asking corporations and developments to pay up their share, single families will have to pay up AGAIN.
And the other 20% was to reassure us that she LITERALLY CANT with these murders.
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40% of it was her reassuring us that we're potentially a year away from having steady police leadership.
40% was to tell city residents that instead of asking corporations and developments to pay up their share, single families will have to pay up AGAIN.
And the other 20% was to reassure us that she LITERALLY CANT with these murders.
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I personally think the problem we see in St Louis is national problem. Chicago, Baltimore, New Orleans, Memphis, Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Newark are all seeing these problems. However, I don't think it's fair to start bashing Mayor Krewson-yet. She still has only been in office a few months. The search for a new chief has to be intense, and I for at least am very thankful she's taking this search so seriously. Either way, important discussions are being had in this city, that will hopefully lead to action.
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The hysterics in this thread are beyond ridiculous. We've had 66 homicides in the City of St. Louis as of May 30, compared to 70 last year over the same period.
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^ can you elaborate on that? you don't think we've had an on-going homicide crisis?
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66 vs 70 is a marginal difference. One bad night could easily put us over that. Although homicides may be down, 66 is still an obscenity.Ebsy wrote:The hysterics in this thread are beyond ridiculous. We've had 66 homicides in the City of St. Louis as of May 30, compared to 70 last year over the same period.
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^ yup, and on June 1 we had a triple homicide w/ a 7 yr. old girl technically alive but left brain-dead plus another homicide in a different incident. That was followed by another triple homicide and four additional homicides in separate incidents over the weekend. One of the deadliest periods we've had even during our multi-year reign as homicide capitol of the USA.
Kinda agree with the national problem as a number of cities have seen a worrisome increase the past couple years; however. a lot of cities continue to see a decline or at least essentially static movement, including several on those you listed above. I would keep an eye on Baltimore for overtaking STL in homicide rate.Chalupas54 wrote: ↑Jun 04, 2017I personally think the problem we see in St Louis is national problem. Chicago, Baltimore, New Orleans, Memphis, Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Newark are all seeing these problems. However, I don't think it's fair to start bashing Mayor Krewson-yet. She still has only been in office a few months. The search for a new chief has to be intense, and I for at least am very thankful she's taking this search so seriously. Either way, important discussions are being had in this city, that will hopefully lead to action.
I was not saying that it was any great difference or that recent homicides were acceptable; they obviously aren't. But we've had periods like this before, and they often end up statistical blips. That is obviously not always the case, but at the end of the day, no one in this thread has solutions that are practicable by the City of St. Louis. You guys poo-poo more cops, raising taxes to pay for more services, etc, etc. No one here has any solutions and just wants to rend garments and tear at their hair over this stuff. I tend to agree with Chalupas54 that a lot of what is going on here is influenced by national policies, particularly past public policy (segregation, integration, antipoverty programs/housing policy/spending cuts over the past 40 years/war on drugs/etc) as well the state of Missouri's war on the poor. It's very hard to get immediate results from any sort of initiative, and anything we end up doing to bring down homicides is going to be a painfully slow process, as slow and painful as the initial fall we saw over the 2000s.Chalupas54 wrote: ↑Jun 05, 201766 vs 70 is a marginal difference. One bad night could easily put us over that. Although homicides may be down, 66 is still an obscenity.Ebsy wrote:The hysterics in this thread are beyond ridiculous. We've had 66 homicides in the City of St. Louis as of May 30, compared to 70 last year over the same period.
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I would love to see the state or Feds conduct an experiment akin to Utah's homelessness initiative or Canada's mincome experiment, and just legislatively eliminate homelessness and poverty in St. Louis City for five years or so, just to see what happens.
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Raising taxes isn't going to keep someone from buying a gun selling drugs etc. I completely urge the city to not go that route it will be even harder to get business's to locate within the city or people to be even remotely interested in moving into the city proper.
I alone don't have no solutions so the above is correct and i'll eat my words all the time cause its easier to type lash text and talk before solving it..
I just wish people find other ways to solve conflicts besides slashing the hell out of each other and by no means crimes have no race/gender etc.
Anyways other cities seem be having a very rough time as St.Louis such as Kansas City Memphis Louisville Cleveland New Orleans even Des Moines seems to have an slight uptick in crime now..
I saw last night New Orleans has recorded nearly 300 shootings since the beginning of the year i wonder where St.Louis stands?
I need to realize and be more understanding of it all just time i get frustrated with it...
I alone don't have no solutions so the above is correct and i'll eat my words all the time cause its easier to type lash text and talk before solving it..
I just wish people find other ways to solve conflicts besides slashing the hell out of each other and by no means crimes have no race/gender etc.
Anyways other cities seem be having a very rough time as St.Louis such as Kansas City Memphis Louisville Cleveland New Orleans even Des Moines seems to have an slight uptick in crime now..
I saw last night New Orleans has recorded nearly 300 shootings since the beginning of the year i wonder where St.Louis stands?
I need to realize and be more understanding of it all just time i get frustrated with it...
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The Business Journal this week has a thoughtful editorial on way to pay the police more without burdensome tax increases. A few suggestions include getting rid of the 28 neighborhood stabilization officers who make over 50K a year. Move forward with privirivatizing the airport and water divisions. Plus look into alternatives to pension plans for new city employees, costs for that are projected to rise another 2.4 million in 2018.
Car break-ins are so bad they're part of St. Louis culture, like baseball and barges
After dropping in 2016, car break-ins have risen 28 percent so far this year, the largest increase of any of the more common crimes. Break-ins haven’t been this high through the first five months of any year since 2010.
The break-ins are disproportionately occurring downtown, where total incidents shot up 45 percent and 53 percent in Downtown West. The area stretching from 14th Street west to 17th Street and from Martin Luther King Drive south to Washington Avenue had 390 car break-ins reported since 2015.
From the same article: is this the same William Bialczak involved in the towing scandal years ago??
What a piece of garbage.S and H Parking Services runs the $3 lot. Owner William Bialczak said there were more break-ins when New Life Evangelistic Center, a downtown homeless shelter, was open.
“They leave their valuables laying out so people can see them and take them,” he said.
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He said electricity isn’t hooked up to the property to provide lighting. Asked about holes in the fence, he said: “We keep it up as much as we can.”
Wasn't Krewson the anti-crime candidate? You know, she was going to be so awesome with the crime problem. Since her husband was shot 20 years ago, or something, and how she works with public finance, or you know, something.
Instead we get hand-waving press conferences, more crime, tax raises on already overburdened residents and businesses, more crime, a promise not to spend public money on a statue, more crime, public money spent on a statue, more crime.
Hope y'all are ready for Mayor Jones in 4 years.
Rinse and repeat.
Instead we get hand-waving press conferences, more crime, tax raises on already overburdened residents and businesses, more crime, a promise not to spend public money on a statue, more crime, public money spent on a statue, more crime.
Hope y'all are ready for Mayor Jones in 4 years.
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Lyda is still early on. Now Tishaura Jones could’ve been better, but we don’t know for sure. This could have just been something that was already building pre-election
Jones = Krewson and vice versa. On the big stuff, I could see no discernible difference between the two other than their supporters.
I'm withholding judgement on Krewson's administration for now, since it's been about a minute since she got into office and a lot of this stuff was happening before she was elected...but if raising taxes is the only option for consistent city services (and not, oh, shrinking city government, getting more tax paying residents into the city, etc.), and I don't see something more come out of her mouth other than how terrible it is to see crime, my patience will disappear quickly.
I'm withholding judgement on Krewson's administration for now, since it's been about a minute since she got into office and a lot of this stuff was happening before she was elected...but if raising taxes is the only option for consistent city services (and not, oh, shrinking city government, getting more tax paying residents into the city, etc.), and I don't see something more come out of her mouth other than how terrible it is to see crime, my patience will disappear quickly.
Mileage will vary on the individual NSO/NIS, but I can't figure out how eliminating that important liason between citizens and City departments will solve any problems. I think it would actually make things worse. Having that point of contact that I can call/email/FB Message is incredibly helpful for me, and this is coming from someone that has developed many contacts inside departments over the years. They do a lot of things people don't notice.southcitygent wrote: ↑Jun 10, 2017The Business Journal this week has a thoughtful editorial on way to pay the police more without burdensome tax increases. A few suggestions include getting rid of the 28 neighborhood stabilization officers who make over 50K a year. Move forward with privirivatizing the airport and water divisions. Plus look into alternatives to pension plans for new city employees, costs for that are projected to rise another 2.4 million in 2018.
More privatization won't solve anything either.
I don't know what the alternatives to the pension plan are or how to solve the increasing costs of insurance at a local level, but there's not much more to cut when it comes to compensating City employees if we want to have qualified and competent employees.
Instead of trying to cut our way out of problems or continually raising taxes, it seems to me that increasing revenue by increasing the tax base would be a better idea to focus on.
Police body camera footage is becoming a state secret
North Carolina, Louisiana, Kansas, and other states are writing laws to keep police videos out of public hands
https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/12/1576 ... ate-secret
North Carolina, Louisiana, Kansas, and other states are writing laws to keep police videos out of public hands
https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/12/1576 ... ate-secret
I apologize I cannot figure out how to connect my reply to the posts on this topic when it was revealed. I can tell you one thing; Mr. Garbin, a disabled, indigent, perhaps mildly cognitive impaired individual, was wanting to " make a few bucks" for Christmas presents (he is divorced but has 5 grown children he has little contact with), so he had no idea or clue what he got himself, as he did not speak whatever language the others spoke, and simply drove a vehicle owned by one of those indicted, following him, as he was instructed; a very simple job.
So, he cannot find an attorney he can afford, he's a diabetic, he has COPD,he is so depressed and convinced he will go to jail, and it breaks my heart. If he is convicted, my disabled son may find himself indicted for the same sort of thing, thinking he's doing something for "friends". So before you all cas stones, think of all the autistic children, or those developmentally disabled, trying to fit into a society where they've been bullied, made fun of,excluded, and so forth, because we, as a nation, do not teach our children how to be kind to EVERY child, no matter how different or alike they are. Whether you are a Republican and support Life for ALL children, support the Democrats positions on funding early childhood intervention programs, Head Start, Halfway houses, services for the mentally ill, no loopholes for schools not to give services to children who truly NEED them, so they graduate high school with an eighth grade education in English comprehension, limited social skills, and no math skills, and cannot tell time unless it is digital. Then, we won't see such persons being used by thieves, terrorists, or bullies, to commit crimes or acts of violence that get them killed, jailed, and villafied, when they had a loving mother who did her best all his life so he could know right from wrong.
So, he cannot find an attorney he can afford, he's a diabetic, he has COPD,he is so depressed and convinced he will go to jail, and it breaks my heart. If he is convicted, my disabled son may find himself indicted for the same sort of thing, thinking he's doing something for "friends". So before you all cas stones, think of all the autistic children, or those developmentally disabled, trying to fit into a society where they've been bullied, made fun of,excluded, and so forth, because we, as a nation, do not teach our children how to be kind to EVERY child, no matter how different or alike they are. Whether you are a Republican and support Life for ALL children, support the Democrats positions on funding early childhood intervention programs, Head Start, Halfway houses, services for the mentally ill, no loopholes for schools not to give services to children who truly NEED them, so they graduate high school with an eighth grade education in English comprehension, limited social skills, and no math skills, and cannot tell time unless it is digital. Then, we won't see such persons being used by thieves, terrorists, or bullies, to commit crimes or acts of violence that get them killed, jailed, and villafied, when they had a loving mother who did her best all his life so he could know right from wrong.
I apologize I cannot figure out how to connect my reply to the posts on this topic when it was revealed. I can tell you one thing; Mr. Garbin, a disabled, indigent, perhaps mildly cognitive impaired individual, was wanting to " make a few bucks" for Christmas presents (he is divorced but has 5 grown children he has little contact with), so he had no idea or clue what he got himself into, as he did not speak whatever language the others spoke, and simply drove a vehicle owned by one of those indicted, following him this person, as he instructed; a very simple job.
So now, he cannot find or afford an attorney. He's a diabetic, he has COPD,he is now so depressed and convinced he will go to jail, and it breaks my heart. If he is convicted, my disabled son may find himself indicted for the same sort of thing, thinking he's doing something for "friends". So before you all cas stones, think of all the autistic children, or those developmentally disabled, trying to fit into a society where they've been bullied, made fun of,excluded, and so forth, because we, as a nation, do not teach our children how to be kind to EVERY child, no matter how different or alike they are. Whether you are a Republican and support Life for ALL children, support the Democrats positions on funding early childhood intervention programs, Head Start, Halfway houses, services for the mentally ill, no loopholes for schools not to give services to children who truly NEED them, so they graduate high school with an eighth grade education in English comprehension, limited social skills, and no math skills, and cannot tell time unless it is digital. Then, we won't see such persons being used by thieves, terrorists, or bullies, to commit crimes or acts of violence that get them killed, jailed, and villafied, when they had a loving mother who did her best all his life so he could know right from wrong.
So now, he cannot find or afford an attorney. He's a diabetic, he has COPD,he is now so depressed and convinced he will go to jail, and it breaks my heart. If he is convicted, my disabled son may find himself indicted for the same sort of thing, thinking he's doing something for "friends". So before you all cas stones, think of all the autistic children, or those developmentally disabled, trying to fit into a society where they've been bullied, made fun of,excluded, and so forth, because we, as a nation, do not teach our children how to be kind to EVERY child, no matter how different or alike they are. Whether you are a Republican and support Life for ALL children, support the Democrats positions on funding early childhood intervention programs, Head Start, Halfway houses, services for the mentally ill, no loopholes for schools not to give services to children who truly NEED them, so they graduate high school with an eighth grade education in English comprehension, limited social skills, and no math skills, and cannot tell time unless it is digital. Then, we won't see such persons being used by thieves, terrorists, or bullies, to commit crimes or acts of violence that get them killed, jailed, and villafied, when they had a loving mother who did her best all his life so he could know right from wrong.
^Post is related to the Federal Indictments of the convenience store owners for smuggling cigarettes and manufacturing/selling K2. Garbin is a defendant. This isn't really the place to come to try to plea innocence, but we'll leave it for now.
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Looks like Pi downtown was robbed last night. Luckily no one hurt.
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Help from the state on it's way:
EDIT, forgot the link to the PD story...apologies: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... 22603.html
Nice to see cooperation.Missouri Highway Patrol troopers will soon be patrolling interstates in St. Louis as part of a 90-day pilot program to free up city police officers to focus on violent crime.
Between 20 and 30 troopers will be assigned to the special detail, which will focus on the stretches of Interstates 55 and 70 that fall within the city limits, said Missouri Highway Patrol Cpl. Juston Wheetley. About eight troopers will be on each shift.
The troopers also will be available to back up city police officers if they’re ever in need of assistance, but their primary focus will be traffic enforcement, Wheetley said.
“There’s a lot of violent crime in that area, and we will be aggressively enforcing all traffic and hazardous movement to free up city officers to focus on the violent crime in those areas,” he said. “We’re really looking forward to partnering with the city and assisting them in any role that we can.”
EDIT, forgot the link to the PD story...apologies: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crim ... 22603.html