From MayorSlay.com, a new tower for the skyline:
http://www.mayorslay.com/desk/display.asp?deskID=738
http://www.mayorslay.com/desk/display.asp?deskID=738
That's cool, but I have to admitt that I'm all confused.
So apparently, the Bosnian population here is a muslim population and not a serb population(who committed genocide against the muslims). If so, I find that strange considering we played a Bosnian team in a basketball youth church league that I played for a few years back.
So apparently, the Bosnian population here is a muslim population and not a serb population(who committed genocide against the muslims). If so, I find that strange considering we played a Bosnian team in a basketball youth church league that I played for a few years back.
Shimmy wrote:That's cool, but I have to admitt that I'm all confused.
So apparently, the Bosnian population here is a muslim population and not a serb population(who committed genocide against the muslims). If so, I find that strange considering we played a Bosnian team in a basketball youth church league that I played for a few years back.
Highly oversimplifying: The local Bosnian community is usually estimated at about 30,000. However, there's also an earlier generation of immigrants that would more likely cast their roots as "Yugoslavian," so the total number might be a bit higher.
Within the Bosnian (and, to a lesser extent, the Yugoslavian) community are those who would classify themselves as Serbs, Croats and Muslims. I can't say for sure, but I'd bet the largest subcommunity is Muslim; even so, these are often very secularized Muslims.
That's my best shot.
Here's a pic of a minaret. I read somewhere that St. Louis ranks sixth in the United States in the amount of Muslims.
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I am willing to bet they were inspired by all of the beautiful churches around St. Louis. They want to make their mark.
Don't forget the Macedonians, Albanians, Kosovars, Slovenians, Motenegrans (Montenegroes?), a few Turks and Greeks here and there, and probably the occasional Arab, Jew, or gypsy...not to mention the Moronicans, the Lilliputians, the Nibelungs, and on and on.bonwich wrote:Shimmy wrote:That's cool, but I have to admitt that I'm all confused.
So apparently, the Bosnian population here is a muslim population and not a serb population(who committed genocide against the muslims). If so, I find that strange considering we played a Bosnian team in a basketball youth church league that I played for a few years back.
Highly oversimplifying: The local Bosnian community is usually estimated at about 30,000. However, there's also an earlier generation of immigrants that would more likely cast their roots as "Yugoslavian," so the total number might be a bit higher.
Within the Bosnian (and, to a lesser extent, the Yugoslavian) community are those who would classify themselves as Serbs, Croats and Muslims. I can't say for sure, but I'd bet the largest subcommunity is Muslim; even so, these are often very secularized Muslims.
That's my best shot.
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I think the tower will be great. Of notable icons on the skyline we'll have a replica of St. Mark's tower, an corinthian (I think) tower, the Compton heights tower, the Arch, a number of chursh steeples, the state hospital and old City Hospital and a minaret . . . great diversity.
Arch City wrote:I am willing to bet they were inspired by all of the beautiful churches around St. Louis. They want to make their mark.
How about they are inspired by their own ethnic and cultural tradition of excellent Islamic architecture?
Why would they be inspired by us? They have their own heritage.
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The former Yugoslavia is made up of several ethnic regions-Kosovo, Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia-Herzegovenia, Slovenia, and Macedonia. The "Bosnian" population that we have here tend to be mostly, though not all, muslim, because the muslim Bosnian population was the one targeted for genocide by the Serbs, which then sought refuge here in the states. All Muslims in the former soviet republic, aside a small pocket between Montenegro and Kosovo, reside in Bosnia-Herz. "Bosnian" can be Serb, Croation, Muslim, or Bosnian-Christian.
jlblues- Thats Montenegrin
jlblues- Thats Montenegrin
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hmmm .... very interesting. Does anyone know what 108 feet translates into in terms of stories? I wonder if it will actually be visible from the river.
and yeah we'd all rather have a residential or office tower but this is definitely a plus - can;t wait to see the renderings.
you know this would have looked very cool alongside choteau lake .....
and yeah we'd all rather have a residential or office tower but this is definitely a plus - can;t wait to see the renderings.
you know this would have looked very cool alongside choteau lake .....
I love everything about this plan except the location. Let's face it; the Landsdowne site is pretty lame.
IMO, our recent influx of (largely) Muslim Bosnian immigrants is one of the most positive things to happen to St. Louis in quite a while. We should celebrate that, and honor them at the same time. Why don't we build the minaret somewhere more prominent, like the Gateway Mall.
IMO, our recent influx of (largely) Muslim Bosnian immigrants is one of the most positive things to happen to St. Louis in quite a while. We should celebrate that, and honor them at the same time. Why don't we build the minaret somewhere more prominent, like the Gateway Mall.
I'm pretty sure they'd like it next to the mosque. And it is their minaret.
Still, there is something that "we" could do. Think of a City street whose name could be changed to honor and acknowledge a Bosnian presence in St. Louis. (Keep in mind when you suggest streets that changing these things costs money -- not just street signs and maps, but also businesses that need new signage, letterhead, and cards . . .)
Still, there is something that "we" could do. Think of a City street whose name could be changed to honor and acknowledge a Bosnian presence in St. Louis. (Keep in mind when you suggest streets that changing these things costs money -- not just street signs and maps, but also businesses that need new signage, letterhead, and cards . . .)
I love everything about this plan except the location
From the Post-Dispatch, April 2007:
The St. Louis County Council, on a 4-3 vote Tuesday, denied the Islamic Community Center, whose members are Bosnian, permission to construct a community center building near Mehlville High School /snip/ The site is in the district of County Councilman John Campisi, R-south St. Louis County, who opposed the project. He denied that religious discrimination was involved in his opposition. He said he received 60 telephone calls against the proposal, with callers citing traffic and storm-water control concerns.
Sorry it didn't work out. Can they address the concerns and try again?
Doug, it feels as if you believe the word "inspired" is a four letter word. Sure it's their culture and religion. My assertion has nothing to do with Christian vs. Muslim or Christianity inspiring Islam or any competitiveness if that is what you have deduced. However, rolling around largely Catholic, Baptist, and Lutheran St. Louis with its beautiful churches and cathedrals with soaring domes and steeples on major corners and intersections, why wouldn't they be inspired to add their "culture's" architecture to the mix?Doug wrote:How about they are inspired by their own ethnic and cultural tradition of excellent Islamic architecture?
Why would they be inspired by us? They have their own heritage.
I welcome it. I think it'll be good for St. Louis.
Sorry it didn't work out. Can they address the concerns and try again?
They're building it in the City instead. (See the top of the thread.)
Thanks Publiceye for clearing up my misunderstanding. I am relieved that this project will go forward. Can't wait to see it.
publiceye wrote:I'm pretty sure they'd like it next to the mosque. And it is their minaret.
(sound of slapping myself on forehead) You're right, of course. I forgot that these things go together.