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Grand Boulevard Viaduct Replacement

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PostApr 27, 2005#1

Here's the Grand Bridge that they should replace it with..

The ORIGINAL Grand Bridge.

check out this link, amazing, they tore it down... of course it was the 60's



http://bridges.midwestplaces.com/mo/st- ... grand-ave/

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PostApr 27, 2005#2

The City will begin work on a new Grand Ave bridge when it has enough money(probably 2009 or 2010). I've seen renderings of the new bridge and it looks nicer than the current one.

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PostApr 27, 2005#3

That old bridge was beautiful. I hope something nice replaces the current one - it would benefit people's first impressions of SLU and Grand Center greatly.

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PostJun 06, 2005#4

About $25 million stands between the city of St. Louis and its chosen design for a new Grand Avenue bridge between Chouteau Avenue and Interstate 64/U.S. 40.



The proposed bridge would serve as a needed connector between the two sides of Saint Louis University's expanding campus, according to Kathleen Brady, the university's vice president for facilities management and civic affairs. Brady said the existing bridge is a barrier to the school's campuses on either side of I-64/U.S. 40 because it is not pedestrian friendly.



The new four-lane, 102-foot-wide bridge, designed by local firm Zurheide-Herrmann Inc., would include sidewalks on both sides for pedestrians and bikers as well as a 14-foot-wide landscaped median. It would replace the current 80-foot-wide, six-lane bridge.



"With the pedestrian and bike lanes, we really think a lot more of our students, faculty and staff may choose to move between the campuses," Brady said. The pedestrian-friendly bridge would also make all parts of the campus accessible from the Grand MetroLink station, she said.



SLU may help the city foot a portion of the bill for the project. "The school has not made a firm commitment at this time, but we certainly know that down the road, we'll be having those discussions."



The city is currently putting together a funding package to cover the cost of the project. At an estimated $25 million, the bridge's pricetag is nearly 10 times higher than the average bridge replacement in the city. Most of the bridges the city replaces run between $2 million to $3 million, according to Board of Public Service President Marjorie Melton.



The city selected one of five concepts Zurheide-Herrmann Inc. presented for the new bridge between Gratiot Street, which is just north of Chouteau Avenue, and the east-bound exit ramp of I-64/U.S. 40.



The city will attempt to get 80 percent of the bridge's cost, or $20 million, paid for by federal funds, and $5 million paid for locally, according to Terry Hartz, planning and programming executive for the Board of Public Service of the city of St. Louis.



The current bridge, which was built in 1962, was targeted for replacement because of its age. "It needs a new deck; it's in pretty poor condition," Hartz said. "There is deterioration that really needs to be changed out. It also will undergo a seismic upgrade to bring it up to today's standards."



The city set aside $2.5 million for the design work, but requested funding for the project from the Federal Highway Administration. The project is slated to receive approximately $3 million in the transportation bill currently before Congress. Hartz said the remainder of the federal funding will come from future transportation bills, and the city will apply for federal Surface Transportation Project (STP) funding.



The proposed single-level structure will be in the same relative position as the existing bridge, said Zurheide-Herrmann President Ron Dahman. Four columns will rise above the bridge's deck with supporting cables. Dahman said the cables were included as a tribute to the original bridge built on the site in 1890 and designed by the city's bridge engineer, Carl Gayler. The roadway was suspended from an eye-bar chain supported by 55-foot steel towers. It was torn down in 1962 and replaced by the six-lane bridge that exists today.



Dahman said the new bridge will be reminiscent of Gayler's original design. "It was considered to be one of the finest bridges. I think the gentleman has been lost in the dust of history." On the new bridge, the four towers will be in the exact position as those on the original suspension bridge.



Engineering firm Modjeski and Masters Inc., headquartered in Harrisburg, Pa., is working on the design with Zurheide-Herrmann, in addition to locally-based Austin Tao & Associates Inc., an urban design and landscape architecture firm, and Sabur Surveying & Engineering Inc., also based in St. Louis.



Engineers are able to use part of the existing superstructure, so the bridge will not have to be closed during construction, said Barbara Geisman, executive director for development for the city. Geisman said building a bridge that is well-designed, within a reasonable budget and that is an aesthetic improvement is a plus for the area and the city as a whole. Building the Grand Avenue bridge heralds a "new era of city public works," she said.



Preliminary designs for the bridge are expected to be completed by October, the Board of Public Service's Melton said. The plans will then be sent to the Missouri Department of Transportation for approval. Construction is expected to start in fiscal year 2008, if the city is able to get federal funding in place for the project.



Thirty business and community members met with city officials and architects during recent months to hammer out the details and come to a consensus about what the bridge should look like. Businesses in the area stand to be greatly impacted by a new bridge in the Midtown district.



The new design has four lanes of traffic with green space separating cars in opposite directions, Melton said. Cut-outs are included to provide space for buses to stop without impeding the flow of traffic. Currently, buses or private cars must block a lane of traffic to unload or pick up passengers leaving the Grand MetroLink station.



Carol Schmidt, director of capital projects for Metro, said the agency is working on a redesign of the Grand Avenue MetroLink station that will run concurrently with the bridge construction. "It's a station that is much busier now than when it was opened, and we're trying to respond to that."



Dianne Williams, director of communications for Metro, said the Grand station consistently ranks second or third for boardings among MetroLink's stations. The city agreed to pay $1.7 million for the bridge-level Metro stop at Grand, she said. Metro approved $1.8 million in its budget for new elevators at the Grand station.



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PostJun 06, 2005#5


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PostJun 06, 2005#6

Fancy. Nice to hear they are making it very pedestrian and bike friendly, and also paying homage to the former bridge on the site. This could be really nice. Hopefully this trend will continue.

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PostJun 06, 2005#7

The improved Metrolink station/access is great news. It is interesting that Grand is the 2nd or 3rd busiest station. That's pretty good when you consider it leaves people on a bridge. Having a better place to transfer to the bus is a huge benefit for all the neighborhoods, North and South, served by the Grand Avenue bus & any other bus that crosses that bridge.

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PostJun 06, 2005#8

Since when is Grand Ave. in the forest?

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PostJun 06, 2005#9

The vacant lots north of Delmar. :wink:

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PostJun 06, 2005#10

Now, I will say the bridge idea is nice and it will be good to see something a bit more dynamic. However, I worry about the green median down the middle. Sadly, I am pretty sure that this will kill any lingering hope SLU/ Grand Center folks had of linking the two SLU campuses, Midtown, South Grand, and Tower Grove Park using a trolley or light rail.

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PostJun 06, 2005#11

Could a landscaped center be a way of leaving room for future transit links? I don't know, just a thought.

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PostJun 06, 2005#12

JMedwick wrote:Sadly, I am pretty sure that this will kill any lingering hope SLU/ Grand Center folks had of linking the two SLU campuses, Midtown, South Grand, and Tower Grove Park using a trolley or light rail.


Was there ever any hope from those people? I thought it was just us dreaming on here that had thought about that. They obviously never considered it if SLU is supporting this plan.

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PostJun 06, 2005#13

I don't understand .. why couldn't a streetcar simply run in the traffic lane. ..

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PostJun 06, 2005#14

markofucity wrote:I don't understand .. why couldn't a streetcar simply run in the traffic lane. ..


yeah, i don't see that being a big problem, that's what's going to happen in the Loop i think.



this is a pretty great idea. Cheers!

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PostJun 08, 2005#15

Since when is Grand Ave. in the forest?


Aside from the fact that renderings always show things perfectly clean or landscaped, the area about the Grand Avenue bridge is part of the planned Chouteau Greenway.



This linear greenway is planned to extend from Chouteau's Landing south of the arch to a new lake southwest of the new ballpark in Downtown all the way west to the Missouri Botanical Garden and Forest Park.



Of course, wherever there are railroads, even if abandonned, property acquisiton is usually next to near impossible.

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PostJun 08, 2005#16

MattSTL,

Say 3-5 yeras ago there was talk by Grand Center folks about trying to link midtown and the SLU campuses with a street car. It was an early stage idea, before grand Center got really into the TIF and other development plans.

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PostJun 08, 2005#17

^Thank you. Good to hear they had thought about it too.

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PostJun 10, 2005#18

You knoiw .. if they're going to invest this much money in a new bridge - and they've been thinking about adding a street car line .. why not plan the line into the bridge? Wouldn;t that seem to make sense? Isn't SLU being rather short sighted here?

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PostJun 10, 2005#19

SLU? The city's building the bridge.

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PostJun 10, 2005#20

I thought the jist of the article was that SLU was willing to put up some money for it ....

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PostJul 30, 2005#21

i have been watching the channel 9 shows "decades" latly. it showed that when ever the city wanted to do anything, they always found the moeny to do it, wheather it be a bond issue or from washington.





http://www.mayorslay.com/news/display.asp?prID=123

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PostJul 30, 2005#22

Money has been committed from the previous TEA-21 for design of the new Grand Viaduct. This earmark is a huge blessing for the new Grand Viaduct as the cost of the new bridge will be upward to $25 million.





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PostJul 30, 2005#23

History point.



I think it was Nixon, but maybe Reagan (Why I confuse the two I do not know) who passed the ICTEA or ICETEA laws that pulled Federal funding from bailing out (NYC) or just giving free money for any project like a bridge. These laws made cities rethink how they funded projects and did not just go to the Fed. for money. Due to this law some cities have started working and reorganizing like a private company in order to meet financial goals. Cities have to market themselves to companies. Robert Moses, the infamous urban destroyer and major advocate for building highways and suburbs, abused the Fed's money many times. He had a project that NYC or NY state could not afford, he went to Washington and got his funding.

Terrible man may I remind you. With no consideration for people or neighborhoods he drew a line through dense urban fabric and built his highways no matter who lived there. He had sycophants applauding him and never correcting him becuase he was policially connected to President Roosevelt among others, and was omnipotent to NYC Mayor and NY Governor.



I say this because the Grnad Bridge could have been built with Fed money but to illustrate this quote and how it does not work post-ICTEA lera
they always found the moeny to do it, wheather it be a bond issue or from washington

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PostJul 30, 2005#24

About Tea3



TEA-3 is the third iteration of the transportation vision established by Congress in 1991 with the Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act (ISTEA) and renewed in 1998 through the Transportation Equity Act for the 21st Century (TEA-21). At the core of the debate is implementation. How will the next reauthorization enable decision-makers to achieve better outcomes through transportation investments? How can ISTEA's provisions for flexibility, local decision-making, long range planning, fiscally constrained budgeting, and environmental stewardship be strengthened to improve the transportation system?



Factors likely to shape the legislation include the economy, strong public support for alternatives, and increasing demand for accountability. Key markers on the road to reauthorization will take place in September when the US Department of Transportation is expected to finalize its proposal through consultation with the Office of Management and Budget; the November elections, and starting in December legislative activity by Congressional committees who have jurisdiction over transportation.

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PostJul 31, 2005#25

From MayorSlay.com:



Grand Ave. Bridge



There?s plenty of good news about the long-promised Grand Avenue bridge.



First, US Senator Kit Bond?s office called this week to say that the senior senator was able to get $15 million in the new Transportation Reauthorization Bill for the Grand Avenue Bridge replacement.



The senator?s help means that another City project is ready to move from the drawing board to construction.



Second, Marjorie Melton, the president of the Board of Public Service, briefed me on the work she and a team of creative engineers have done to ensure that the bridge will be rebuilt for a good price and with a really good design that picks up the best elements of the original bridge.



Marjorie and her engineers discovered that the existing bridge could be reused and strengthened using a new drilling technique. This means that the bridge will remain open during construction, eliminating a lot of inconvenience to those who use the bridge?and can be rebuilt for a much lower cost. (Leaving the bridge open during construction will also cut costs since we won?t have to put up a temporary bridge nor do a complex traffic detour plan.)



The new Grand Avenue bridge will have significantly improved facilities for pedestrians and bikers. And it will give Metro an opportunity to iron out some of the logistical issues that have marred its bus and light rail service on the current bridge.



I think the new Grand Avenue bridge will look great at a reasonable price.



That should be the goal for every new bridge . . .

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