Des Peres Corners - Schnucks Manchester at Ballas

gary kreie · PostJul 15, 2007#12007-07-15T15:10+00:00

This is kitty-corner from the proposed Edward Jones Expansions at the corner of Manchester and Ballas. It was recently voted down by the Des Peres Planning and Zoning committe 4-6, but will come before the Des Peres Board of Aldermen in August if it is not withdrawn.

http://www.desperesmo.org/DocumentView.asp?DID=773

http://www.desperesmo.org/DocumentView.asp?DID=742

http://www.desperesmo.org/DocumentView.asp?DID=741

arch city · PostJul 16, 2007#22007-07-16T00:30+00:00

Well, with the absolute hell they have given Edward Jones, which wants to expand near the same area, it makes sense they would be consistent. However, it sure does seem like Des Peres is screwing itself out of some money AGAIN.

What's up? It doesn't look any different than any other strip center along Manchester Rd.

fromthelou · PostJul 16, 2007#32007-07-16T02:59+00:00

I have no problem with them voting that development down. What a typical suburban development with nothing special or unique about it. :smt015

Most likely the store they own a bit further east on Manchester (I assume it is also Des Peres) will be closed when this new one opens leaving a big vacant strip mall. It is a zero sum game for Des Peres in this situation.

moorlander · PostJul 16, 2007#42007-07-16T03:05+00:00

Thread name- Ballas not Ballwin

Ya that old store east on manchester is one of their older stores (one of their nicest if you ask me). Imagine that bustling part of Manchester and Lindeman without Schnuks and B&N.

wheelscomp · PostJul 16, 2007#52007-07-16T05:00+00:00

There is a small church that will have to be torn down to build this thing.

moorlander · PostJul 20, 2007#62007-07-20T23:39+00:00

This is good for the EJ expansion...

http://stlouis.bizjournals.com/stlouis/ ... rround=lfn

Des Peres P&Z votes against Summit's retail center

St. Louis Business Journal - 9:48 AM CDT Friday, July 20, 2007

Des Peres, Mo.'s Planning & Zoning Commission recommended against a 14-acre retail shopping center that includes a Schnucks grocery store and Office Depot, Denis Knock, director of public works, said Friday.

Thirteen of the 14 P&Z Commission members voted on the matter: four voted yes; six voted no; and three abstained.

Summit Development is seeking to develop the property known as Des Peres Corner, which includes the property from Ballas Road east to the Collonnade Manchester Road south to Ballas Pond.

The P&Z Commission's recommendation goes to the City Council, which meets the second and fourth Monday of each month. Although the next meeting is scheduled for July 23, Knock said that the public hearing regarding this development will most likely be pushed back until Aug. 13.

The development is a 126,000-square-foot center with Schnucks occupying 68,000 square feet. Additional small stores and parking for 685 cars are also included in Summit's plans

jmedwick · PostJul 21, 2007#72007-07-21T16:22+00:00

Not to be pessimistic but, who cares if this is a suburban POS. Des Peres clearly could care less about center based design. With an anchor like Ed Jones combined with the intersection of 270, Ballas and Manchester, the potential to do the same thing as Creve Couer was possible. Des Peres made their choice. The revitalized West County, the development plans Ed Jones, the Schnucks expansion plan all could have taken on a more urban and walkable form. Combined with the Des Peres 14 Cine site and the old shopping mall due south of the theater it seems there is tons of potential for some better design. But as I said, who cares at this point. Much of the opportunity has been lost.

moorlander · PostSep 17, 2007#82007-09-17T22:38+00:00

‘Des Peres Corners’ Plans Ready For A Vote

By Casey Godwin

A proposed business center that would place a Schnucks at what has been dubbed Des Peres Corners won’t be going in without a fight.

About 230 people came out to a recent public hearing held in Des Peres. Those who spoke were overwhelming at odds with the project.

“There was a lot of concern over traffic at the intersection of Manchester and Ballas,” said Doug Harms, city administrator for Des Peres.

The project was originally planned for about 130,000 square feet on a 14.2-acre lot at the southeast corner of Manchester and Ballas roads. The project would be anchored by a Schnucks Super Center and include an Office Depot, small retail area, and a bank. An existing retail building would also be incorporated into the project.

That proposal was recommended for denial by the Planning and Zoning Commission. However, the Board of Aldermen would not get a chance to vote on it.

The Summit Development Group, a St. Louis firm behind the plans for the project, withdrew the plans and decided to draw up a plan that would cut 9,000 square feet from the project.

“It was recommended for denial because of concerns regarding the depth of zoning in relation to the surrounding residential area and the density of the project,” Harms said.

Residents said the plan was deviating from the city’s master plan, but John Ross, a principal of Summit, said the development was appropriate for that area.

“The city’s comprehensive plan has that area marked for retail,” Ross said.

Ross said Summit has been in contact with neighbors adjacent to the proposed development and said he had mostly heard concern for increased traffic in the area if this project were to go forward.

“I think those concerns for that intersection are not based upon actual facts,” said Ross.

Both Ross and Harms explained that Summit filed a traffic report with the city showing the opposite was true.

“A study was conducted by CDB (Crawford, Bunte & Brammeier) Traffic with letters from both the county and state highway departments saying they reviewed the data and agreed that the shopping center would not diminish the level of traffic service at that intersection,” Harms said.

In addition, Ross said both Des Peres and Summit had engineering teams that verified the report was accurate.

The revised plan would also address neighbor’s concerns regarding buffering of the project.

“We’ve gone to extremes to make sure it’s well buffered,” said Ross.

The new plan will be presented to the Planning and Zoning Commission on Sept. 12. Ross said he was optimistic it would be approved.

Beyond that, it will be up for vote by the Board of Aldermen, following another public hearing. If all goes well, Ross said they hope to start construction in the spring of 2008. The project would take about 10 months to complete.

http://www.centralnewsmagazine.com/news05.php

10-intuition · PostFeb 11, 2008#92008-02-11T19:20+00:00

Tonight is the night when the city of Des Peres will vote on this. I hope this gets voted down. Why not just rebuild the existing Schnucks by tearing it down and rebuilding it instead of leaving a void in that area.

Is Office Depot a tenant interested in this development too? I hope they don't move from their Manchester 141 location. That location is unique because I remember it used to be an old National grocery store. Besides, how many Office Depot we need.

gary kreie · PostFeb 12, 2008#102008-02-12T16:38+00:00

The new Schnucks at Des Peres Corners passed last night at the Des Peres City Council meeting.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... enDocument

dweebe · PostFeb 12, 2008#112008-02-12T16:51+00:00

With this project Ballas and Manchester will quite possibly become one of the worst intersections in the area. Can you imagine what it will be like during the Christmas shopping season?

Then again: about the only reason I have to go to Des Peres is The Village Bar. Best onion rings in the world.

debaliviere · PostFeb 13, 2008#122008-02-13T14:49+00:00

dweebe wrote:Then again: about the only reason I have to go to Des Peres is The Village Bar. Best onion rings in the world.

Word.

Rumor has it Schnuck's was looking at locations along Manchester just outside of Des Peres, which caused the city to freak out and give them what they want. I'm not crazy about this project or the fact that Barnes & Noble is moving to West County Mall.

threeonefour · PostFeb 13, 2008#132008-02-13T15:27+00:00

Zero-sum retail relocation is bad enough when (a) retailer(s) leave one community for another. Des Peres isn't doing itself any favors, not when the intersection of Manchester and Lindeman roads (Schnucks, Barnes & Noble) will probably sit vacant for some time and become a possibility for complete redevelopment at some point. And what does the city give away to get a developer interested in that area when the time comes?

I have mixed emotions about the Barnes & Noble move. As much as I hate to see zero-sum relocation of businesses, I must admit that I'll like the convenience of going to the bookstore without leaving West County Center once I'm there. Yeah, I know, that's selfish.

debaliviere · PostFeb 13, 2008#142008-02-13T15:56+00:00

ThreeOneFour wrote:I have mixed emotions about the Barnes & Noble move. As much as I hate to see zero-sum relocation of businesses, I must admit that I'll like the convenience of going to the bookstore without leaving West County Center once I'm there. Yeah, I know, that's selfish.

No, I feel the same way. It's so much better to just enter the existing store's parking lot off Manchester than have to deal with mall parking. You're basically going to have to park in one of the garages every time, and it will no longer be convenient at all. I generally view trips to the mall as a painful experience, but don't have nearly as much of a problem going to free-standing stores like the current B&N.

The B&N used to be a mattress store at one point, and a few other things before the B&N came aboard as a "stable" tenant. I think they'll be able to lease that building, but the existing Schnuck's should be more challenging.

10-intuition · PostFeb 13, 2008#152008-02-13T16:38+00:00

When B&N does open in West County that Waldenbooks will most likely close. I wish they got a Borders instead.

moorlander · PostFeb 13, 2008#162008-02-13T17:17+00:00

I've heard the schnucks is one of the oldest in the chain, yet I happen to think the Des Peres store is one of the nicest. The store was remodeled this decade, I don't see why they are in such a hurry to move. I guess we can look forward more traffic at ballas/manchester/270 thanks to this and the EJ expansion as well as several closed storefronts just to the east. Where the heck would Schnucks have tried to move out of Des Peres anyway?

dweebe · PostFeb 13, 2008#172008-02-13T18:12+00:00

Moorlander wrote:I've heard the schnucks is one of the oldest in the chain, yet I happen to think the Des Peres store is one of the nicest. The store was remodeled this decade, I don't see why they are in such a hurry to move. I guess we can look forward more traffic at ballas/manchester/270 thanks to this and the EJ expansion as well as several closed storefronts just to the east. Where the heck would Schnucks have tried to move out of Des Peres anyway?

I don't know.

If I were Des Peres I wouldn't have been scared. If Schnucks would have closed that store and not re-opened in a new location, they could have easily attracted Dierbergs, Straubs or Whole Foods to that spot.

southcitygent · PostFeb 13, 2008#182008-02-13T20:42+00:00

Dierbergs can't move into the area because Schnucks development arm, Desco owns much of the property along Manchester to specifically keep Dierbergs out.

fromthelou · PostFeb 14, 2008#192008-02-14T03:05+00:00

If Des Peres were smart, they would have required a plan for what will be done with the current Schnucks location and make the redevelopment of that area contingent on approval of the new store. As it now stands, the current Schnucks will become a vacant store for who knows how many years.

mill204 · PostJul 21, 2009#202009-07-21T21:01+00:00

Anybody remember the pedestrian issues at Loughborough Commons that Urban Review STL covered so well? Well, it seems those same issues are now present at Des Peres Corners, as well. Some of the stores at Des Peres Corners began opening this week. I've written a post on my blog at Gateway Streets describing the issues.

Yay for developers who completely ignore pedestrians!

moorlander · PostJul 21, 2009#212009-07-21T21:24+00:00

^

Wow that looks awful.. What a shame.

Look for Jimmy Johns and 5 Guys and Fries to open there soon.

debaliviere · PostJul 22, 2009#222009-07-22T23:42+00:00

Moorlander wrote:^

Wow that looks awful.. What a shame.

Look for Jimmy Johns and 5 Guys and Fries to open there soon.

There's a credit union going in too.

moorlander · PostJul 23, 2009#232009-07-23T12:17+00:00

and a Qdoba

threeonefour · PostJul 23, 2009#242009-07-23T17:55+00:00

Moorlander wrote:Look for Jimmy Johns and 5 Guys and Fries to open there soon.

This development looks every bit as detestable as Loughborough Commons which is mere blocks from my home, but since I still use it, I wish I had Jimmy Johns and Five Guys so close to home instead of Burger King and Little Caesar's.

/Did I just become a chain snob?

dweebe · PostJul 23, 2009#252009-07-23T18:37+00:00

Mill204 wrote:Anybody remember the pedestrian issues at Loughborough Commons that Urban Review STL covered so well? Well, it seems those same issues are now present at Des Peres Corners, as well. Some of the stores at Des Peres Corners began opening this week. I've written a post on my blog at Gateway Streets describing the issues.

Yay for developers who completely ignore pedestrians!

Let's not forget that West County Mall is pretty much inaccessable by pedestrians. Supposedly on a nice day Edward Jones employees can't even walk over to the mall for lunch