Just throwing this question out to the forum. How do you feel about The Dollar Store or another store with the same concept coming into a prominent area of downtown?
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I have it on good authority that it is strongly being considered. STRONGLY.
And depending on the responses here, I will forward the entire thread onto the decision makers on this. So hoping to see all points of view and from all different angles.irocktheparty2000 wrote:I have it on good authority that it is strongly being considered. STRONGLY.
How much is it being considered? Oh wait, I see, STRONGLY.
Hey, the era of everything going "upscale" downtown is over. It was a bubble. I say get what you can. Maybe a payday loan store can move into the Chemical building next to the beauty supply outlet; or maybe it will go well next to the random lady's Avon store in the Paul Brown.
Hey, the era of everything going "upscale" downtown is over. It was a bubble. I say get what you can. Maybe a payday loan store can move into the Chemical building next to the beauty supply outlet; or maybe it will go well next to the random lady's Avon store in the Paul Brown.
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I guess it depends on where in downtown. I definitely wouldn't want to see it on Wash Ave, in the Mercantile Exchange or Post Office Square (or basically anywhere the City is investing substantial resources to attract higher quality tenants). But that doesn't mean there wouldn't be countless places elsewhere in downtown where a Dollar Store would be ok.
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I believe a Five Below would perform better than a Dollar Store.
http://www.fivebelow.com/stores-events/ ... /st-louis/
Personally I dont' see what all the fuss is about. It's not like they'll be selling liquor or individual cans of beer.
http://www.fivebelow.com/stores-events/ ... /st-louis/
Personally I dont' see what all the fuss is about. It's not like they'll be selling liquor or individual cans of beer.
I'd take one, gladly -- as long as its built into an existing storefront and not as a free-standing Dollar Store "model" building. I think Tucker Avenue anywhere north of Pine would be fine. Or at the south end garage.
If we're going to see Tucker become a more prominent entry into the city after the new bridge opens, we need to start prepping by establishing a full set of storefronts to greet arrivals -- and the Dollar Store could easily be one.
If we're going to see Tucker become a more prominent entry into the city after the new bridge opens, we need to start prepping by establishing a full set of storefronts to greet arrivals -- and the Dollar Store could easily be one.
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Where at downtown will it be located? Why isn’t there a meeting with downtown residents and businesses to discuss the matter?
Does a dollar store doesn’t really send the message that an area is progressing and moving in an upward trajectory? It seems as if dollar stores are generally located in stagnant or declining neighborhoods or an area with a lot of retail density it can feed off of. I don’t see downtown falling in either of those categories.
Would much rather see a Walgreens, Whole Foods, or Trader Joes.
Bprop I disagree with the notion that downtown should take whatever it gets when it comes to retail. The retail should be managed effectively in order to maximize future potential. It also should not just expand at the detriment of other businesses. And last of all residents and businesses should have a say in the matter.
Does a dollar store doesn’t really send the message that an area is progressing and moving in an upward trajectory? It seems as if dollar stores are generally located in stagnant or declining neighborhoods or an area with a lot of retail density it can feed off of. I don’t see downtown falling in either of those categories.
Would much rather see a Walgreens, Whole Foods, or Trader Joes.
Bprop I disagree with the notion that downtown should take whatever it gets when it comes to retail. The retail should be managed effectively in order to maximize future potential. It also should not just expand at the detriment of other businesses. And last of all residents and businesses should have a say in the matter.
Only if it's a package deal with a Jackson Hewitt, Traffic Law Center, Army recruiter and Check n Go.
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I think you need to be more specific. There is no The Dollar Store. And Family Dollar and Dollar General are different business models than say Dollar Tree or Everything's A Dollar.
For example is a Dollar Tree in Downtown as low class as the one in the ghettos of Ballwin, Town and Country, and Creve Coeur?
Family Dollar and Dollar General are more small scale general merchandise stores (like Walgreens with less medicine, no pharmacy, and more clothes), not every item a buck. And though they are mainly in lower income areas, the are expanding into more middle-income neighborhoods with more attractive store models.
Really, if it were well executed and managed, I could see this being fine for Downtown.
For example is a Dollar Tree in Downtown as low class as the one in the ghettos of Ballwin, Town and Country, and Creve Coeur?
Family Dollar and Dollar General are more small scale general merchandise stores (like Walgreens with less medicine, no pharmacy, and more clothes), not every item a buck. And though they are mainly in lower income areas, the are expanding into more middle-income neighborhoods with more attractive store models.
Really, if it were well executed and managed, I could see this being fine for Downtown.
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Agreed.erina wrote:Only if it's a package deal with a Jackson Hewitt, Traffic Law Center, Army recruiter and Check n Go.
Downtown needs a Schweig Engel and the Trophy Room's second location. That would the message of progress.
The more uses the better. It's called density. Heard of it?
Not everyone that lives downtown has a BMW. If they did it would be boring.
The more uses the better. It's called density. Heard of it?
Not everyone that lives downtown has a BMW. If they did it would be boring.
How can the city dictate what goes in and not? Presumably such a business isn't asking for public financing. Can the city really deny a license to a retail store because it just doesn't want to?downtown2007 wrote: Bprop I disagree with the notion that downtown should take whatever it gets when it comes to retail. The retail should be managed effectively in order to maximize future potential. It also should not just expand at the detriment of other businesses. And last of all residents and businesses should have a say in the matter.
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^ How's that? I don't see dollar store in here...
A building or premises may be used for any purpose except the following: abattoir; acetylene gas manufacture; acid manufacture, ammonia, bleaching powder or chlorine manufacture: arsenal; asphalt manufacture or refining; automobile body or fender repair shops; automobile salvage yard; bag cleaning (except when the dustless vacuum process is exclusively employed); blast furnace; boiler works; brick, terra cotta or tile manufacture; candle manufacture; carry-out restaurants that sell to customers in cars or who consume the sold products in cars parked on the carry-out restaurant premises, or sell prod-ucts through a sales window to customers who are in cars, for immediate consumption by the customer either on or off the premises; celluloid manufacture; cement, gypsum, lime or plaster-of-paris manufacture; dextrine, glucose and starch manu-facture; distillation of bones, coal or wood; dye stuff manufacture (not including chemical dyes); emery, emery cloth and sand paper manufacture; fat rendering; fertilizer manufacture; fireworks or explosive manufacture or storage; flour and grain milling; forge plant; fuel manufacture; gas manufacture or storage; glass manufacture; glue, gelatin or size manufac-ture; incineration, reduction or dumping of garbage, dead animals, offal or refuse; iron, brass, copper or steel foundry or works (unless gas or electrically operated); lamp black manufacture, match manufacture; meat packing; motor fuel pumping stations (except where wholly contained within and accessory to a parking garage and providing there are no exterior signs on the premises advertising the motor fuel pumping station location); oilcloth or linoleum manufacture; oiled goods manu-factured from raw materials; ore reduction; paint materials manufacture; paper and paper pulp manufacture; petroleum products refining (or wholesale storage thereof); potash or washing soda manufacture; proxylin manufacture; rock crushing; rolling mill; rubber or gutta percha manufacture; salt works; saw mill; smelting or refining of metals; soap manufacture from refuse; stockyard, corral or pen; stone mill or quarry; storage of barrels, bottles, iron, junk, rags or scrap paper; stove or shoe polish manufacture; sugar refining; tanning, curing or storage of green salted hides or skins, or leather dressing or coloring; tar distillation or manufacture; tar roofing or water proofing manufacture; telephone, outdoor pay, if the proposed telephone is located on a lot that is located contiguous with or directly across a street, alley, public or private easement from a dwelling district; tobacco (chewing) manufacture or treatment; used car lots, car leasing or car rental lots; vinegar, sauer-kraut or pickle manufacture; wool pulling or scouring; yeast manufacture; any use which is a nuisance per se.
^They would have to add it obviously right before the distillation of bones and dead animals.
I am upset. The shoe polish business is really booming. I had this business plan all ready to build a new plant on the Gateway Mall...
I am upset. The shoe polish business is really booming. I had this business plan all ready to build a new plant on the Gateway Mall...
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The Grove CID won't allow auto dealerships, tattoo parlors (except when they do), second-hand clothing stores, etc. etc. etc. - done all the time.
Or said another way,erina wrote:Only if it's a package deal with a Jackson Hewitt, Traffic Law Center, Army recruiter and Check n Go.
"I claim to love the diversity of the city but I'm actually angling for a homogenous set of wealthy people and wealthy people accoutrements"
I love how people hate the idea of Save A Lots and Dollar Stores (actual business momentum) yet somehow think the business case exists to just start plopping down Whole Foods and Trader Joes. Too much artisanal cheese perhaps?
I'm curious as to which locations are being discussed. I wouldn't want to see a dollar store on Broadway, Market or Washington, or even within 2 blocks of the Old Post Office. Maybe north on Tucker, past Washington, or down around the 1700 block of Olive, or even down on Spruce near the bus/train station.
Oh, and there is an Army recruiter near that last location, in the old federal building. Not sure about Jackson Hewitt, Traffic Law Center or Check n Go.
Oh, and there is an Army recruiter near that last location, in the old federal building. Not sure about Jackson Hewitt, Traffic Law Center or Check n Go.
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I love how someone who lives in Florissant can lurk on a forum focused on urban development and criticize anyone who doesn't want a dollar store next to their home or work. Your apparent perception that "the city" must inherently accept whatever development comes its way is misguided - as if city residents are required to simply sign off of anything and everything because they reside is such an economically depressed placed where no one really wants to invest. Perhaps the view is different for someone who angled for a homogeneous set of middle class white people in the suburbs, and found it.ttricamo wrote:Or said another way,erina wrote:Only if it's a package deal with a Jackson Hewitt, Traffic Law Center, Army recruiter and Check n Go.
"I claim to love the diversity of the city but I'm actually angling for a homogenous set of wealthy people and wealthy people accoutrements"
I love how people hate the idea of Save A Lots and Dollar Stores (actual business momentum) yet somehow think the business case exists to just start plopping down Whole Foods and Trader Joes. Too much artisanal cheese perhaps?





