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PostApr 22, 2024#5402

Latest downtown recovery update dropped (don’t expect to see this one covered much in local media)

https://downtownrecovery.com/charts/trends

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PostApr 22, 2024#5403

dbInSouthCity wrote:Latest downtown recovery update dropped (don’t expect to see this one covered much in local media)

https://downtownrecovery.com/charts/trends
Maybe I am reading this wrong, but this seems like some creative data interpretation. You’re saying comparing two different months (Feb ‘23 vs Mar ‘24) means our foot traffic is up nearly 16%. But the reality is seasonality or any grouping of one off variables could explain that change. I mean if you look at the trend line it looks like our foot traffic ebbs and flows above our previous average throughout the year.

I’d believe you if you said we are trending in the right direction though.

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PostApr 22, 2024#5404

You won't see this covered in the local media, though KSDK covered the inverse from the same research entity (University of Toronto) back on May 5, 2023:

https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local ... 0f03d4b494

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PostApr 22, 2024#5405

DNA should consider updating their website. Wash Ave Post and Taze are long gone

About Downtown St. Louis

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PostApr 22, 2024#5406

It’s a worthless org now. I’m thinking about starting a new one called Residents for a Greater Downtown

PostApr 22, 2024#5407

From BizJournals; forget that this data never covered entire downtown & shouldn’t have been called Downtown Recovery & instead be called “CBD Telework Study” but the part in yellow is kinda fitting how this project dies. All of it was BS, my spending data was always more accurate

I’ll have 2023 as a whole by end of month
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PostApr 22, 2024#5408

UKRAFT to expand in downtown St. Louis; credits city and new incentive program to spur new and existing businesses

https://www.firstalert4.com/2024/04/22/ ... usinesses/


After my story about Clark with David at KMOV I got him connected with UKraft to do one on downtown restaurants

PostApr 23, 2024#5409

Auntie Anne’s is opening at ballpark village

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PostApr 23, 2024#5410

The Cardinals had briefly talked with another pretzel company in 2023, but the deal fell through.

Glad to see this is coming to Ballpark Village. I think it's going to work out for them.

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PostApr 23, 2024#5411

dbInSouthCity wrote:
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Auntie Anne’s is opening at ballpark village
Am so longing for one more restaurant or healthy fast food option around met square building.

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PostApr 23, 2024#5412

RockChalkSTL wrote:
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The Cardinals had briefly talked with another pretzel company in 2023, but the deal fell through.
Maybe it was Pretzel Boy's and it fell through due to bad grammar.  Love the pretzels, hate the apostrophe.

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PostApr 23, 2024#5413

I am all for more national brands opening in Downtowns

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PostApr 23, 2024#5414

TalkinDev wrote:
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RockChalkSTL wrote:
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The Cardinals had briefly talked with another pretzel company in 2023, but the deal fell through.
Maybe it was Pretzel Boy's and it fell through due to bad grammar.  Love the pretzels, hate the apostrophe.
Pretzel Pretzel. 

Agree about the Pretzel Boy's apostrophe. 

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PostApr 23, 2024#5415

dbInSouthCity wrote:Latest downtown recovery update dropped (don’t expect to see this one covered much in local media)

https://downtownrecovery.com/charts/trends
https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/local ... be2379e1e3


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PostApr 23, 2024#5416

That’s just a partial reprint of the biz journal story I posted above

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PostApr 23, 2024#5417

I’m just pointing out that it’s getting coverage. I agree this source of data is flawed.

To me, our downtown had traffic issues before 2019, and of course it took a big hit during COVID, so recovery naturally looks better from a percent change lens. Especially when you cherry pick time periods.

I think the spending data is pretty flawed as well as far as using that as a metric to determine changes in downtown traffic trends.

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PostApr 23, 2024#5418

It’s not flawed at all, it’s not like people are all the sudden selling gold bars or cars in downtown and we have other visitor data points to go along with spending.

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PostApr 24, 2024#5419

But other factors that don’t necessarily correlate with changes in traffic downtown can affect changes in spend. Seeing increased spend numbers downtown is of course a good thing.

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PostApr 24, 2024#5420

I think you might just be hesitant about accepting a little positive news about Downtown. A 16% increase in visitors downtown from March 2023 (A warmer month with a NCAA MVC basketball tournament, the opening of CityPark, and a large St Patricks Day event) to February 2024 (A colder month without notable large events downtown) seems like good news any way you package it.

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PostApr 24, 2024#5421

mullanphy wrote:
Apr 24, 2024
I think you might just be hesitant about accepting a little positive news about Downtown. A 16% increase in visitors downtown from March 2023 (A warmer month with a NCAA MVC basketball tournament, the opening of CityPark, and a large St Patricks Day event) to February 2024 (A colder month without notable large events downtown) seems like good news any way you package it.
The 16% increase only counts a very small part of the downtown CBD and doesn’t include downtown west. The study was always dumb. We have spending data that shows downtown west way above 2019 and downtown as a whole is at about 99% of 2019.

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PostApr 24, 2024#5422

dbInSouthCity wrote:
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mullanphy wrote:
Apr 24, 2024
I think you might just be hesitant about accepting a little positive news about Downtown. A 16% increase in visitors downtown from March 2023 (A warmer month with a NCAA MVC basketball tournament, the opening of CityPark, and a large St Patricks Day event) to February 2024 (A colder month without notable large events downtown) seems like good news any way you package it.
The 16% increase only counts a very small part of the downtown CBD and doesn’t include downtown west.  The study was always dumb. We have spending data that shows downtown west way above 2019 and downtown as a whole is at about 99% of 2019.
inflation could also be preventing people from visiting or working in downtown..

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PostApr 24, 2024#5423

I’m not hesitant about accepting good news about downtown. There are positive soundbites and I am down there 5 days a week. I see them in person as well.

I am hesitant about flawed data points being positive indicators about downtown because we spend so much time talking about the media doing the inverse. Using flawed data points to indicate an overly negative picture of downtown.

PostApr 24, 2024#5424

dbInSouthCity wrote:
mullanphy wrote:
Apr 24, 2024
I think you might just be hesitant about accepting a little positive news about Downtown. A 16% increase in visitors downtown from March 2023 (A warmer month with a NCAA MVC basketball tournament, the opening of CityPark, and a large St Patricks Day event) to February 2024 (A colder month without notable large events downtown) seems like good news any way you package it.
The 16% increase only counts a very small part of the downtown CBD and doesn’t include downtown west. The study was always dumb. We have spending data that shows downtown west way above 2019 and downtown as a whole is at about 99% of 2019.
When you say DT spending is at 99% of 2019 as a whole, does this account for inflation? The average cumulative rate of inflation from 2019 to 2024 is over 22%. So if it’s not adjusted, that would indicate actual instances of spending are still at a little over 75% of where we were at in 2019. That would be your loose correlation to spending indicating changes in traffic.


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PostApr 24, 2024#5425

^ that sounds reasonable. Inflation could have definitely contributed to spending numbers in some way, shape or form.

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