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His open sign and Bud Light sign were both lit up this afternoon.

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Apr 03, 2020

Is it illegal for someone without a home to drink? 

Nice deflection.  

He can be open, he just can’t sell alcohol.


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urbanitas wrote: ↑

Apr 06, 2020

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Apr 03, 2020

Is it illegal for someone without a home to drink? 

Nice deflection.  

Is it illegal for an alcoholic without a home to have a drink?

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Apr 06, 2020

urbanitas wrote: ↑

Apr 06, 2020

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Apr 03, 2020

Is it illegal for someone without a home to drink? 

Nice deflection.  

Is it illegal for an alcoholic without a home to have a drink?

In this case, as ricke002 already said, probably.  

But your question is irrelevant to the subject of the veracity of the author's and store owner's claims.

It is also irrelevant to the question of whether it is wise public policy to enable those who profit by taking advantage of them, to the detriment of both the addicts and the neighborhood.

urbanitas wrote: ↑

Apr 06, 2020

dbInSouthCity wrote: ↑

Apr 06, 2020

urbanitas wrote: ↑

Apr 06, 2020

Nice deflection.  

Is it illegal for an alcoholic without a home to have a drink?

In this case, as ricke002 already said, probably.  

But your question is irrelevant to the subject of the veracity of the author's and store owner's claims.

It is also irrelevant to the question of whether it is wise public policy to enable those who profit by taking advantage of them, to the detriment of both the addicts and the neighborhood.

Doesn't any place that sell booze exploit addicts? 

As to ricke002 answer- it seems like that would be selective application of law.   Look at all the people drinking on streets around on streets downtown before sporting events or parades. 

This guy didn’t get consent of the neighborhood to obtain a license and is using his situation to skirt the ordinance.

People drinking on the streets before sports events should be enforced as well.


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I work with a distributor and I can say with confidence that the process to get a liquor license in the city is ridiculously complicated, tedious, and inflexible. Especially compared to our neighbors in St. Louis County. When Wash Ave Post took on new ownership it took over NINE MONTHS to get their license back. I'm not saying LL's need to be completely unregulated, but surely reasonable middle ground can be found.

downtown2007 wrote: ↑

Apr 06, 2020

This guy didn’t get consent of the neighborhood to obtain a license and is using his situation to skirt the ordinance.

People drinking on the streets before sports events should be enforced as well.


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neighborhood?    there is no neighborhood, there is not a single residence in his radius and the ones that are they are vacant and i can see why its hard to locate to person and get signatures. 
it should be treated like Conditional Use or Board of Adjustment, where its posted that there is a hearing and if you want to oppose it you can show up.   none of this signature gathering bs, its an outdated practice 

And the Wash Post received the consent of the neighborhood and obtained their license without complaining about it in the media.

And the Wash Post doesn’t have a business model that sells cheap alcohol to the homeless.


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downtown2007 wrote: ↑

Apr 06, 2020

And the Wash Post received the consent of the neighborhood and obtained their license without complaining about it in the media.

And the Wash Post doesn’t have a business model that sells cheap alcohol to the homeless.


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Wash Post also has 100's of residents within 350 feet.    and they sell alcohol to homeless. got a coffee yesterday and a homeless gentleman bought a entire bottle of whiskey. 

The other complication not mentioned yet is that the market is on the 1st floor of an SRO residential building possibly creating more negative synergies.


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The store moved 2 and a half blocks. I'm not buying that this is any worse for the neighborhood in it's new location than where he was.

Black02AltimaSE wrote: ↑

Apr 06, 2020

The store moved 2 and a half blocks. I'm not buying that this is any worse for the neighborhood in it's new location than where he was.

Agreed.  Let's be appreciative that someone wants to continue their business downtown, after all, this person in our neighbor.

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Apr 06, 2020

Black02AltimaSE wrote: ↑

Apr 06, 2020

The store moved 2 and a half blocks. I'm not buying that this is any worse for the neighborhood in it's new location than where he was.

Agreed.  Let's be appreciative that someone wants to continue their business downtown, after all, this person in our neighbor.

Downtown is full of people who go full NIMPY mode if the business caters to black people and homeless people. 

I might feel different if it is a new business, but a business just moving down the block (especially when it is pushed out for another project) should just get an easy transfer of license.

If anything it's better for the neighborhood in that new location.

NIMBY-ism is one thing, but you can't get all NIMBY if you've never actually walked there. It doesn't impact you if you're just driving past.  Those people are basically complaining about seeing something for 4 seconds per day.

NIMBY-ism, if limited to places residents actually walked past, would be far, far less offensive.

^And I expect he'd be more than happy to sell anything he carries to anyone who walks in his door that can pay. That's pretty much the law, actually. If you do anything else you risk some pretty significant legal hurt. And with a soccer park next door I bet he gets some new foot traffic spending more money . . . if he can get his liquor license back. Since, let's be honest, sports fans like their booze too. I've never had a beer at a ballgame. Or at a friend's house in front of a TV. Or at a bar in front of a TV. You know what I don't look for when I want to watch a game? A place with no liquor license. I say cut him some slack.

Again he had a less that stellar track record at his old location. Im sure property owners weighed that against him.


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There is a massive tent city around the Schiller statue. It was not there last wednesday. I found one report on this where they talk coyly about "someone" providing these tents and "making a point" in front of city hall but they don't come out and say, "It's Larry Rice!" It certainly makes it look like the homeless population downtown has exploded overnight.  Has anyone heard more about this?

https://www.kmov.com/news/st-louis-opens-new-homeless-shelter-but-more-choose-to-live-in-tent-city-near/article_4d70ed8e-791f-11ea-889e-0f551b461b4d.html

If my goal was to exterminate the downtown St Louis homeless population I could not think of a better plan.

The Alpine Shop provided the tents. This is not the way to deal with homelessness.


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How many empty hotel rooms do we have downtown right now? Get these poor folks off the street.

^yep. I wouldn’t put them in hotels but certainly the new shelter.


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