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PostOct 04, 2006#26

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marc buxton wrote:I've been inside this building. The top floor is a wall to wall ballroom with incredible terrazzo floors and corinthian columns supporting a 18 foot ceiling. The views from the 15th floor are outstanding with 60's era floor to ceiling windows. Another ballroom on the second-third floors (you can see the tall windows foreground) with a huge stage/prescenium, would make a great 2,000 cap. entertainment space. Overall, the windows are not huge, but just fine for finished apartments (not a loft conversion). From what I understand, the big problem with the building is asbestos contamination...which is everywhere. I never understood why a nightclub was in operation on the first floor. Seperate ventilation, I suppose...but still seems like a health risk. I hear that asbestos abatement makes residential conversion of the building an impossibility due to cost. If this is the case, the building may not be workable. My question is wouldn't the asbestos have to be taken care of before demolition? If so, this baby might sit for a long time.


I don't think the asbestos would be a large issue for the developer if it qualified for brownsfields tax credits... correct me if i'm wrong, but that is one of the most common uses for brownsfields...


Does brownfields apply to buildings? I thought it was literally for brown fields, i.e. contaminated soil clean up.
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PostOct 04, 2006#27

Straight from our friends at Wikipedia . . . (and, yes any asbestos would have to be removed prior to demolition. This may actually make it more cost effective to redevelop the building)



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Brownfields are abandoned, idled, or under-used industrial and commercial facilities where expansion or redevelopment is complicated by real or perceived environmental contamination. [1]



In city planning, brownfield land, or simply a brownfield, is land previously used for industrial purposes, or certain commercial uses, and that may be contaminated by low concentrations of hazardous waste or pollution and has the potential to be reused once it is cleaned up. Land that is more severely contaminated and has high concentrations of hazardous waste or pollution, such as Superfund or hazardous waste sites, does not fall under the brownfield classification.



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I especially enjoy the building in the lower right - who knew that all of Creve Coeur could be designated a brownfield? :lol:
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PostFeb 19, 2009#28

I stumbled across this thread as I was searching the web to find out what, if anything, was being done with the ballrooms inside 1014 Locust. I too was inside this building like 15 yrs ago (when Hyperspace was about to open on the 1st floor).



I couldn't remember about the pillars, which would be an issue, but I was interested in finding out more about the place, as an Arch Rival Roller Girl in constant pursuit of new and bigger/better places to practice or hold events.



Anyone with anymore info on this or a similar space, get in touch (rockstar@usroute66.net)
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PostFeb 23, 2009#29

the problem for this building is the lace of parking and the low ceilings. two story apartments could be possible. this building was built as a city club in the 1920's with small rooms, similar to those of the MAC. this building is for sale. buy it! $3.2 million i think. pricey..
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PostFeb 23, 2009#30

It's a shame it's been altered a bit. At least it looks like it has along the corner of the building.

PostNov 28, 2009#31

This can't be the same building



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PostNov 28, 2009#32

wow.



So is this building completely empty? I always wondered walking passed it.
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PostNov 28, 2009#33

STLCardsBlues1989 wrote:This can't be the same building





Unfortunately, it is.
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PostNov 29, 2009#34

I think this building's tiny windows are a huge obstacle to it's future use. Because of the small windows I can't think of any uses that would justify the rehab cost. Anyone have any ideas?
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PostNov 30, 2009#35

AvantStL wrote:I think this building's tiny windows are a huge obstacle to it's future use. Because of the small windows I can't think of any uses that would justify the rehab cost. Anyone have any ideas?


I could see a new NLEC complex, either as a relocation or an annex.
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PostNov 30, 2009#36

AvantStL wrote:I think this building's tiny windows are a huge obstacle to it's future use. Because of the small windows I can't think of any uses that would justify the rehab cost. Anyone have any ideas?


I think that even with the small windows, it would still make a decent hotel - it's certainly better than the buildings the Roberts Brothers want to use for a Hotel Indigo down the street.



And the small windows are only on two sides of the building. The back sides of the building have larger windows, IIRC.
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PostDec 01, 2009#37

A friend of mine was a DJ at “Ten Fourteen” nightclub, which used to occupy the ground floor of this building. As a previous commenter mentioned, two of the upper floors have ballroom-style spaces with performance stages. Maybe this building could be converted to studio apartments for actors and musicians, who could use the ballrooms for rehearsals and intimate shows.
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PostDec 04, 2009#38

two story apartments/condos could be created in this building. perhaps fiberglass replicas of the original detailing could be added to the exterior, to recreate what was stripped off by I'm assuming the Convent. Fiberglass is what was used to surround the top of the Bogen, and no one can tell from the street. I wonder which owner stripped the ballroom of those incredible chandeliers... hmmm i have a good idea...



why the city doesn't go after owners of such blighted properties as this I have no idea. Sam Berger should be forced to develop or sell it.
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PostMar 27, 2010#39

Let me preface the following by saying that I'm kinda obsessed with the Chelsea Hotel in NYC at the moment which I have recently stayed four days.

People just have no imagination whatsoever. There is no reason this building should be sitting there vacant. If someone had the ballsies to approach this place or the Jefferson Hotel in the same way that the Chelsea Hotel has over the years then maybe it could be a productive, useful place.

You could use half of the place for affordable apartments and the other half as a hotel all the while being quite honest about the fact that you will not being residing at a 5-star hotel.

The lack of demand for such a thing around these parts doesn't help matters much. If the city of St. Louis has a advertising and promotion department well, then it's a terrible department.
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PostMar 27, 2010#40

I just made it as far as the lobby of The Chelsea last week but it was cool nonetheless. And they were very nice to my 9 y/o daughter inviting her back to see the puppets by the phone booths.

I guess that has nothing to do with the Alverne.
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PostMar 27, 2010#41

We may have been there at the same time. The Chelsea is in danger of not existing the way it has for a 100 years so we're both lucky to have stepped foot in the place while it's still the way it is. We stayed in a two-bed room with a kitchen on the 3rd floor with the windows wide open over the noisy street below. It was a touch shabby. Many people would prefer a Days Inn near the airport. Yes, I'm naive and I dream big and quite often a bit too drinky. $3M doesn't seem like alot for an entire former hotel.

I don't know how to embed a picture on this forum.

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PostMar 28, 2010#42

You had bbcode disabled. Go into your profile and uncheck "disable bbcode."
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PostMar 28, 2010#43

Cool shot.
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PostMar 28, 2010#44

It makes a lot more sense to reuse the Alverne as a hotel than the buildings on Locust that the Roberts Brothers wanted to use for a Hotel Indigo.
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PostMar 29, 2010#45

The main problem with the Alverne is not location, or suitability for reuse. Rather it is a greedy owner who wants way too much for the building. He was asking more than any of the developers were willing to pay during the height of the building boom, and his price has still not been dropped. Add this to the fact the building has very small floor plates and tiny windows, you get a dead building that is going to sit there for quite a while.
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PostMay 25, 2010#46

There was a fire in the ground floor of the building around 6pm.
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PostMay 25, 2010#47

Suspicious fire...no electric, no gas in the building...
Building is sealed up tight, never see any homeless squatting in the building...
spontaneous combustion?

http://interact.stltoday.com/blogzone/s ... -building/
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PostFeb 26, 2012#48

The for sale signs came off the building a few days ago. Anyone know if there was a sale or is it just no longer actively on the market.
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PostMar 16, 2012#49

after exploring this building many times, the 1014 nightclub was the only thing burnt...im calling insurance fraud/fire claim.
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PostJul 31, 2012#50

The Alverne, and the Bride's House Building, are going into foreclosure:
http://www.stltoday.com/business/column ... f6878.html
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