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PostNov 10, 2006#51

Steve, thanks for coming on here to discuss the issue.



As for the report, I watched on KMOV.com and have a few comments.



I think the basic idea behind your story is right on. Downtown is experiencing a revival and I think it is good that a local new outlet is focusing on an aspect that otherwise could/would drive away potential users if not addressed head on. Dealing with nuisance crime is an important part of making downtown better. The spots the report points out make all the sense in the world. Without people there is no crime and areas like Washington Avenue (though aided by the number of homeless in the area), Union Station, and the ballpark all attract large numbers of people.



If anything stands out, it is the number of crimes at the large underground garage on 4th street, as all the other "hot spots" are obvious destinations that attract crime, to my knowledge the 4th street garage is not part of any big destination. It stands out in the report as the obvious garage where security measures are likely insufficient.



The issue I have is perhaps the context of the report and its tone. Because the report does not reference crime for any other areas of the city or region as a whole, one watching the report simply is met with the notion of downtown as a lawless place. While I understand the purpose of the report was not to detail the car break-in hot spots for the St. Louis region, I can't fault you too much for that lack of comparison.



As for the tone, KMOV generally does a good job with their city coverage, presenting good and bad locally. People on this site are sometimes a bit sensitive of City criticism, since it seems that many local media outlets don’t do the research and critical thinking necessary to produce journalism that portrays the true nature of the city, recognizing that the city is more than just negatives.



I just felt the introduction left a bit to be desired, focusing on downtown and crime. I know it was designed to hook me into watching, but an intro that instead pointed out that with downtown’s increased population and popularity have brought some increased crime might have been better. Point out the reason for the crime. It is not just because it is downtown. It is not just because the city is crime ridden. It is because downtown is experiencing a resurgence and entrepreneurial criminals, just like anyone else, want a piece of the action and these are the spots they are looking to get some action.



I would encourage you to do similar such studies on other topics. Given the shopping season, maybe a report showing crime levels at local malls and major strip shopping centers. Given the number of people on this site who throw out that downtown is no more unsafe than your average suburban shopping mall, I think such a story would be really interesting and timely.



One other note. It is good to see that one member of the media is willing to openly show that they read this site. I hope you enjoy what you read and hope you participate more, because it is interesting to have the medias perception of St. Louis, since much of what we talk about is based on the perception of the city. And maybe you will find a few good story ideas on here too. :wink:

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PostNov 10, 2006#52

Welcome Steve,


We wanted to point out a problem so people may feel the urge to do something about it.


I hope this report results in some action.

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PostNov 10, 2006#53

I don't know who Steve is or watch KMOV so I wasn't directing anything at him. A story idea - I've heard that there is a large group of criminals (a cohort) preparing to be released from prison and a concern is what this means to urban neighborhoods in the large cities in Missouri. Next to nothing is spent on rehabilitation/socialization or drug and alcohol treatment in Missouri prisons. What will it mean to your neighborhood if say 10, criminals are released back into their old nabe within a 1-2 month period?

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PostNov 10, 2006#54

This is the first time I have seen a reporter identify himself and honestly debate his side. That shows class.



Just like us, I am sure he works within defined parameters. I have no doubt he too loves the city.



I still have an issue with any negative publicity, NOT because we don't have crime issues, but because DT gets a lot of bad rap in the burbs. Stories like these just make my family and friends go... "and you live there???"..... I understand this is an issue with the people and not the media. The media is a catalyst.



That said, I would still like a "happy news hour". Why not do a "night on Grand, or night in loft bars, etc" and cover some of the upcoming hangouts in the city?

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PostNov 10, 2006#55

^ or cover crime in the burbs? Every time a car gets broken into at Plaza Frontenac it should be the lead!

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PostNov 10, 2006#56

Steve - you've earned major points for coming on here.



While your report was hard to swallow for those of us who care deeply about downtown, if it serves as a wake-up call to garage owners, we can all consider it a good thing. I remember reading (I believe in the RFT several months back) about the Mansion House garage and how unsafe it is. Now would be a good time for the building/garage's owners to address the problem.

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PostNov 10, 2006#57

Ihnen wrote:^ or cover crime in the burbs? Every time a car gets broken into at Plaza Frontenac it should be the lead!


But wasn't the first 5 minutes of last night's news about the double homicide in Swansea?

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PostNov 10, 2006#58

Well said.



I really want to know (and will watch tonight) as to "what" crimes are going unpunished, which increase the car break in problems.



I did notice that the Lucas park area seemed to have the most hits. Could not prosecuting the homeless for petty crimes be a cause?

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PostNov 10, 2006#60

As a followup to this story KMOV should park some undercover vans around Lucas Park and the Main Library building. They'll get some great video of all the homeless, but sadly most might not be capable of being shown on regular TV.

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PostNov 10, 2006#61

dweebe wrote:As a followup to this story KMOV should park some undercover vans around Lucas Park and the Main Library building. They'll get some great video of all the homeless, but sadly most might not be capable of being shown on regular TV.


That would be awesome.

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PostNov 10, 2006#62

I'm new to this forum and I came upon it from KMOV.com. As I was reading I didn't notice anyone say that they were a victim of a car break in. So I found that report very useful in my part. I've never had a bad experience downtown up until September 10, 2006. I paid 20 dollars to park in the garage right next to the Dome. So I figured my car would be some what safe if I'm being charged 20 dollars. But I guess I was totally wrong.



After the Rams game I come to my car and find that thieves stole my car stereo system. My stereo was well worth 2000 and more and that's not including the damage the thieves did to break in. The parking garages make a lot of money from them events downtown and you mean to tell me that the parking garage owners can't have better security?



I just know from personal experience that DT is not a bad place when you’re down there. As far your car that’s a different story, because thieves take advantage of the large events DT when you’re no where near your car. In the future I will not drive DT; I will take the metro link for now on.

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PostNov 11, 2006#63

I would like to see a percentage increase in crime in St. Charles over the last five years. THAT would be interesting. I would bet it has gone up dramatically over the last few years. Where's the report on that? Channel 4,5? Is there EVER a negative story about St. Charles?

I think steve is great for discussing his story on here, and I don't fault the story; granted it IS sweeps period/month. Crime, negativity sells. People do not watch "happy news stories". It's just a fact. The jucier the better. and why not feed off the recenty negative crime coverage in the city. Trashing the city and it's crime is a St. Louis (County/St. Charles County) pastime. Yes, I'll give them some credit, by doing this maybe it will improve things, but the real reason was ratings.

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PostNov 11, 2006#64

Hey, all.



It's great to see so much discussion on this topic.



I know some of you question my motives, but discussions like this are the real reason I do what I do.



I'm pleased -- and excited about the future of downtown -- by the number and quality of the responses last night's story created.



Be sure to see the second part, tonight at 10pm, where we zoom in on Lucas Park, the homeless issue and the problem some have with the way police have chosen to handle (or not handle) the issue. </promotion>



You can read more about the story and our methods here: http://www.beloblog.com/KMOV_Blogs/n4idailybriefing/

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PostNov 11, 2006#65

I/We do not question your motives personally. We question the timing and scope of the coverage by the channel.



I would like to see tonight's coverage before saying anything else.



BTW, I do get the angle about making the garage owners more accountable. That is logical.

PostNov 11, 2006#66

AHHHHHHH......



$80k settlement. Will not pursue petty crimes?

We have made a joke of the legal system. 10 pm - 6 am curfew. ENFORCE it.

Why can't the city put cameras up in that area, arrest people who commit crimes (with irrefutable proof) and PROSECUTE? (for those who say privacy violations, against constitution, etc.... there are cameras all over Washington to protect our "leaders". Same principles apply to us)



I cannot say this "whole" thing was in a negative light, though it still casts our city as a "crime ridden" place.



I think Joe M should put some cops with ethics in there and arrest those who are known troublemakers. I do believe that cops KNOW who are potential troublemakers and as long as they have some proof (like video of crime), this problem can be resolved.

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PostNov 11, 2006#67

bsharmastl wrote:AHHHHHHH......



$80k settlement. Will not pursue petty crimes?

We have made a joke of the legal system. 10 pm - 6 am curfew. ENFORCE it.

Why can't the city put cameras up in that area, arrest people who commit crimes (with irrefutable proof) and PROSECUTE? (for those who say privacy violations, against constitution, etc.... there are cameras all over Washington to protect our "leaders". Same principles apply to us)



I cannot say this "whole" thing was in a negative light, though it still casts our city as a "crime ridden" place.



I think Joe M should put some cops with ethics in there and arrest those who are known troublemakers. I do believe that cops KNOW who are potential troublemakers and as long as they have some proof (like video of crime), this problem can be resolved.
Video cameras in public areas spying on American citizens? No thanks here.



Though I do agree we should try to get out of that "we won't arrest for petty crimes" nonsense.

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PostNov 11, 2006#68

publiceye wrote:PS The circuit attorney's website lets its readers track cases through the courts. How many people hand-wringing about this kind of story took the time to figure out which circuit judges up for retention on Tuesday's ballot routinely let car clouters walk out of court?
This is a great question. Is there anyone who provides analysis of judges beyond the bar association ratings I (and, I'm sure, about 5 other people) use to vote?

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PostNov 11, 2006#69

Hmmmmm..... thinking more about it now that my head is clear........ U R right. That may not be a "good" thing. I am amongst the biggest fans of "get the gov. out of my life" and actually wrote something stupid.



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phobia wrote:
publiceye wrote:PS The circuit attorney's website lets its readers track cases through the courts. How many people hand-wringing about this kind of story took the time to figure out which circuit judges up for retention on Tuesday's ballot routinely let car clouters walk out of court?
This is a great question. Is there anyone who provides analysis of judges beyond the bar association ratings I (and, I'm sure, about 5 other people) use to vote?


Bar association ratings? Did not even know there was a self assesed system. Have a link to share?

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PostNov 11, 2006#71

Steve Chamraz wrote: ...The upside is... a larger group of people are watching TV during "sweeps" so a story like this can reach a bigger audience, having a greater impact. ...


i don't know steve, i think the impact will mostly reinforce the typical negative attitudes about downtown more than anything else.

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PostNov 11, 2006#72

A story on this topic can help those coming downtown (and the perception of downtown) and spark change. However, that story must be done in such a way that doesn't paint downtown as a place not to come.



How about the story centered around guidelines to follow when parking your car in an urban area (park near activity, don't leave anything in sight, etc.)? People need to use common sense when parking anywhere. Instead of just showing a problem, show how people can avoid it. Otherwise, people will jump to avoiding downtown as the only way of avoiding crimes involving their cars.

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PostNov 11, 2006#74

Part II located here: http://www.kmov.com/localnews/4investig ... 979b8.html



Also, the homeless and Lucifer Rice's New Life Evangelical Church have been talked about in detail here: http://urbanstl.com/viewtopic.php?t=1821. The building needs to be condemned; it looks blighted.



I would really like to see an expose on Rice's practices. Others could comment more, but he seems more interested in increasing his homeless kingdom than transitioning folks to society.

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PostNov 11, 2006#75

I liked the second part.

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