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Will it? The renderings seem to imply most or all of the part of the building with the black roof (concourse wings notwithstanding) would be staying.

That would be a great design concept for the new STL ... HOK is local and they, surely, will bid on the new airport construction!  Looks great!

@Trololzilla I bet the Admirals Club will be fully redeveloped as part of the main redevelopment. It's too good an opportunity to remake what they already have to better fit into a new Lambert Airport. 

Thinking of what's possible/probable for the new Terminal, I envision two stories, with the first full of gating and some retail, and the second hosting more retail, including restaurants, and a Club or two, including Admirals and at least Wingtips. Making a quasi-mall inside the new Lambert Airport is too good a money-making opportunity to not have exist. 

Another idea: I see the opportunity to make the new Lambert Airport a major design leader for new technologies, especially where hydrocarbon consumption is a thing. After all, jet planes are one of the biggest emitters of carbon dioxide. Things I can see at the new Terminal include solar panels on the roofs and maybe, just maybe, a whole lot of mass timber and modular construction. I've been reading about how Zurich is going to incorporate a lot of mass timber into its new airport terminal and control tower; we could do something similar to what they're looking to do. HOK's on the Zurich design team, too. 

^ Yeah, agreed - the whole concept sounds just like another one of those techbro "solutions" that doesn't actually solve anything and is in fact worse than the existing method. Just something that looks neat in a CGI presentation to drum up some more investor funding before quietly being discarded, never to be heard of again.

Boggles my mind that the airport doesn't already have solar panels. I know that they lease space to Ameren for a farm, but I'm honestly kind of surprised that there's none on the airport buildings themselves. Wonder if the existing roofs simply can't support the weight?

I decided to check out Kansas City's new airport and flew through it on the way home from California instead of nonstop to STL.  Albeit, the airport is nice and new, it just feels so little to me.  I decided to walk the entire terminal and concourses.  The art is nice, but the ceilings in the actual gate area remind me of an office building and low, the food options are nice - but no Starbucks or really any national chains much less fast food.  I think the options they have are quirky but for an airport of its size and mainly point-to-point traffic, the sit down options are quite irrelevant for a lot of people unless they are there early enough to eat (most travelers don't stay in the airport after their flights - unless connecting in a hub or larger airport).

Overall - YES, I will not poopoo on the new airport because KC needed it years ago and the fact it took them this long to build it was ridiculous.  STL's airport overall isn't as aged (T2 built in the 90's and T1 and T2 both huge renovations in the past 10 years) like KC was operating out of ugly blocked 70's buildings that were constructed before TSA was a thing and retrofitted with absolutely no amenities.  It boggled my brain that the city waited soooo long.  

Overall, the new airport is welcomed by all travelers and it is refreshing.  I flew in around dinner time and it was marginally crowded.  The Southwest gates were the most people, but the concourse terminals were almost quiet.  The City Market food court area had a few travelers dining.  It was almost too quiet. 

When I got back into T2 in STL it was the usual hustle and bustle mad house in the concourse and felt again like a busy hub.  I like to see that.  T2 and Concourse C and A actually usually seem more busy than the new MCI Terminal.  

The footprint of KC's new airport is also small.  I know it can expand - great - but it sure doesn't seem to warrant that now and in how many years - who knows.  
STL's T2 is larger than the entire new KC Concourse A (more gates and physical size.).

https://flykc.com/terminal-maps

https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... 2-2022.pdf

https://www.flystl.com/uploads/document ... 1-2022.pdf

I know STL is a busier airport a hub operations, so I don't want to compare apples and oranges... but I feel that for 1.5Billion $ Kansas City could have had a better airport - both better footprint, amenity options and architectural stylings.  Looks like an glorified mall to me on the outside   Look at the new airports (same cost or less) New Orleans, Portland, Indy, etc.  All of those, i/e are extremely eye candy/amenity appealing.  

Looking at STL's 3 Billion dollar tag - we should be looking at an amazing airport and if HOK (not the plan above - but similar to ANY of the other airports they have built) should build it - it should be amazing as well.

Just my 2 cents for what it is worth... sometimes nothing LOL

I just flew though New Orleans and agree, their airport turned out quite nicely.  I think we can do better...

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Mar 08, 2023

I just flew though New Orleans and agree, their airport turned out quite nicely.  I think we can do better...

This video of the old MSY and its last day of flight operations is interesting.

It is.  Surprised to hear they'll potentially repurpose the D concourse for private and charter.  

The New KC airport is 36 gates - but currently utilizing less than build out at opening.
STL currently is utilizing 2023: 57 gates (per airport phone confirmation) STL new airport will build out 62 gates (if not more when final design is finished)

I never thought it would. STL's T2 hub serves SWA nicely and is well run and connections here are with ease in their network because they have the capacity on runways and their own terminal/concourse.

They did had 2 seasonal Carribbean destinations to MCI beginning late Summer which will be nice for them.

Good to hear the environmental plan process has been completed.

Also... the rumblings of more international TATL service may come to fruition with this quote from Rhonda this week on STL NPR:

"An especially bright spot for the airport in 2022 was the June launch of service from St. Louis to Frankfurt, which brought back a direct flight from Lambert to Europe for the first time in two decades. Many of those flights have sold out, with the majority of seats being purchased by business travelers, Hamm-Niebruegge said.

“It’s validating what we knew all along, that this is a strong market and can be supported,” she said. “Because the numbers have been so strong, the other airlines have recognized that.”

The sustained success from this international flight is helping to drive conversations with other airlines about St. Louis’ strength as a market and where service could be expanded, Hamm-Niebruegge said."