I know for a fact that Lambert is doing very well right now and future flight increases ARE coming....our numbers are good.
Are you that is MSP funded or Delta funded? It seems like all of the Delta Terminals around the country are getting that setup, so i cant see that being a terminal thing, but rather an airliner specific perk that just so happens to be in a terminal.
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They were there at least last August, so I don't think it's just an ASG thing.dweebe wrote:Greatest St. Louis wrote:Just came in from a layover in Minneapolis's airport. They have freaking iPads and stuff at their awesome, non-depressing airport.
Why can't we have awesome stuff like this?
MSP has always been nicer than Lambert: but how much do you want to bet the iPads will be gone next week? (AFTER the All Star Game.)
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Pretty much, yeahmoorlander wrote:Is this some kind of backhanded jab about Lambert being depressing?Greatest St. Louis wrote:Just came in from a layover in Minneapolis's airport. They have freaking iPads and stuff at their awesome, non-depressing airport.
Why can't we have awesome stuff like this?
As a frequent business traveler I find most terminals themselves almost the same, including MSP. The big noticeable change that I valued is when Southwest and then Delta and others started to add power outlets in the gates. The more I can get done at the gate and on the plane is less time I spend on the laptop at home or in the hotel at night as most of my travels are from West to East/Southeast Coast, vice versa.
The other big thing to me is that I truly despise shuttle buses to get to off site rental and parking sites as most of the time I'm renting a car or a carworker left me a work truck. Nothing like waiting in the weather, lugging stuff on and off buses, scrambling to remember what rental car outfit, out of the way turns to get back to the main road or highway. In other words, consolidated rental car facilities or parking facilities connected directly to the airport make it easy.
As far as what is depressing with St. Louis Airport to me, as most airports will depress someone about something, is that they won't tear down old Concourse D and B in what should be a first step in offering a vision for better ingress & egress from curbside, better international gates (even if it is only two or three gates), a future Consolidated Car Rental Facility and future metrolink stations that allows for a metrolink passthrough/extension to Earth City. To me, that is a region stuck in the past with a Terminal facility that looks like the neighbor who kept adding to his house with no rhyme and reason only to have the kids moved out.
The other big thing to me is that I truly despise shuttle buses to get to off site rental and parking sites as most of the time I'm renting a car or a carworker left me a work truck. Nothing like waiting in the weather, lugging stuff on and off buses, scrambling to remember what rental car outfit, out of the way turns to get back to the main road or highway. In other words, consolidated rental car facilities or parking facilities connected directly to the airport make it easy.
As far as what is depressing with St. Louis Airport to me, as most airports will depress someone about something, is that they won't tear down old Concourse D and B in what should be a first step in offering a vision for better ingress & egress from curbside, better international gates (even if it is only two or three gates), a future Consolidated Car Rental Facility and future metrolink stations that allows for a metrolink passthrough/extension to Earth City. To me, that is a region stuck in the past with a Terminal facility that looks like the neighbor who kept adding to his house with no rhyme and reason only to have the kids moved out.
I think some St. Louisans sometimes under-appreciate what's in their own backyard.
Multi-millions have been spent to improve Lambert's experience, and overall, flying in and out of Lambert is an enhanced experience compared to 10-years ago.
From new wayfinding signage (inside and out), new artwork, updated baggage claims, a/d monitors, new restaurants and retail, LED lighting, new counters, a new Magic House play (port) station for children, WiFi, updated bathrooms, etc. etc. A new copper roof is being installed on the Main Terminal. Lambert certainly isn't depressing.
Also, I know an individual who doesn't live in STL, but travels to and from Lambert for work at WUMC on a regular basis and he likes Lambert compared to other major airports. I've never heard him refer to Lambert as depressing.
Multi-millions have been spent to improve Lambert's experience, and overall, flying in and out of Lambert is an enhanced experience compared to 10-years ago.
From new wayfinding signage (inside and out), new artwork, updated baggage claims, a/d monitors, new restaurants and retail, LED lighting, new counters, a new Magic House play (port) station for children, WiFi, updated bathrooms, etc. etc. A new copper roof is being installed on the Main Terminal. Lambert certainly isn't depressing.
Also, I know an individual who doesn't live in STL, but travels to and from Lambert for work at WUMC on a regular basis and he likes Lambert compared to other major airports. I've never heard him refer to Lambert as depressing.
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I think Lambert looks spiffy and it's been busy most times I am passing through. I enjoy the new look and feel.
It is likely St. Louis is holding on to those terminals for dear life just to see what could happen in the future. Just in case they are needed. For example, what if another hometown carrier was spawned or if Lambert was to become a hub for another airline? A long-shot, I know, but, what if?dredger wrote:As far as what is depressing with St. Louis Airport to me, as most airports will depress someone about something, is that they won't tear down old Concourse D and B in what should be a first step in offering a vision for better ingress & egress from curbside, better international gates (even if it is only two or three gates), a future Consolidated Car Rental Facility and future metrolink stations that allows for a metrolink passthrough/extension to Earth City. To me, that is a region stuck in the past with a Terminal facility that looks like the neighbor who kept adding to his house with no rhyme and reason only to have the kids moved out.
Nonetheless, the longer the terminals are mothballed, the longer they become money pits and obsolete. If there ever comes a time to use them again, it might be more cost effective to replace them than to renovate them.
Also, I suspect a consolidated rental car facility (CRCF) will eventually come to Lambert. St. Louis can be slow with some things. However, Lambert isn't alone in not having a CRCF.
Check out the list here.
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Here was an interesting article I read recently that broke down possibilities for British Airways expansion on flights to the US
http://www.anna.aero/2014/06/25/new-orl ... 8-86887533
If you look at the numbers there is quite a case that if they really are looking at new routes to the US St. Louis would be near the top of the list compared to other ones based on what they might look at. Though I think the numbers for overall St. Louis traffic might not represent stagnation since i'm not sure if the winter weather issues that were so much worse this past winter showed up yet in it, and that routes that were cut last year were mostly short distance flights that don't make much sense anymore.
But in some of the recent posts did make me think, if this route did end up occurring in the next few years how would the airport facilitate it? Since aren't the current operating gates for international arrivals now in operation wouldn't be able to handle a 787? Since it might make sense to update international facilities with this possibility and if Southwest does any of their Mexico/Caribbean flying non-stop from here as well.
With Concourse D, isn't the problem that Southwest at this point might have to start taking gates there if they add many more flights? I'm just wondering if there is a way to get rid of it to place a CCRF and still leave adjacent open gates for any Southwest expansion (maybe tie in C to E?)
http://www.anna.aero/2014/06/25/new-orl ... 8-86887533
If you look at the numbers there is quite a case that if they really are looking at new routes to the US St. Louis would be near the top of the list compared to other ones based on what they might look at. Though I think the numbers for overall St. Louis traffic might not represent stagnation since i'm not sure if the winter weather issues that were so much worse this past winter showed up yet in it, and that routes that were cut last year were mostly short distance flights that don't make much sense anymore.
But in some of the recent posts did make me think, if this route did end up occurring in the next few years how would the airport facilitate it? Since aren't the current operating gates for international arrivals now in operation wouldn't be able to handle a 787? Since it might make sense to update international facilities with this possibility and if Southwest does any of their Mexico/Caribbean flying non-stop from here as well.
With Concourse D, isn't the problem that Southwest at this point might have to start taking gates there if they add many more flights? I'm just wondering if there is a way to get rid of it to place a CCRF and still leave adjacent open gates for any Southwest expansion (maybe tie in C to E?)
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Care to expand on that for the rest of us. You aren't impressed by the renovations in terminal 1?Greatest St. Louis wrote:Pretty much, yeahmoorlander wrote:Is this some kind of backhanded jab about Lambert being depressing?Greatest St. Louis wrote:Just came in from a layover in Minneapolis's airport. They have freaking iPads and stuff at their awesome, non-depressing airport.
Why can't we have awesome stuff like this?
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Just some info on MSP, it is nearly 60% connecting passengers. Also, Lindbergh terminal(Delta) is by far better than the Humphrey. Humphrey was designed to be an international terminal (if you have been there you know what I am talking about) and was later decided to be an overflow terminal for airlines that did have room in Lindbergh. Southwest and Sun Country mainly occupy Humphrey, and Icelandair used to as well but I think they only operate charters out of MSP. Anyways, Lambert IMO is 100% better than it used to be.
Also, Frontier will now be flying seasonal service to Fort Meyers, appears they are trying to go after SWA.
Information about St. Louis-based Trans States Holdings.
Trans States Holdings Orders 50 Embraer E175-E2s
By Vinay Bhaskara
July 14, 2014
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FARNBOROUGH, UK: USE2 regional carrier holding company Trans States Holdings announced an order for 50 Embraer E175-E2s with 50 further purchase options on Monday. The order for up to 100 E175 E2s is worth more than $2.4 billion dollars and will be confirmed by Trans States Holdings at a later date.
Trans States Holdings is the parent company for regional carriers Trans States Airlines, Compass Airlines, and GoJet Airlines.
These regional carriers have existing contracts with Delta Connection, United Express, and US Airways Express (soon to become Envoy nee American Eagle), as well as a few aircraft flying at risk. Trans States’ current fleet is composed of 47 CRJ-700s, 28 Embraer E145s, 36 Embraer E175s, and 6 Embraer E170s. Trans States also has an order for 50 rival Mitsubishi MRJs placed in 2010.
Trans States will begin taking delivery of the E175-E2 in June 2020, and the E175-E2s will be configured with 76 seats in a two-class configurations.
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Trans States Holdings Orders 50 Embraer E175-E2s
By Vinay Bhaskara
July 14, 2014
FARNBOROUGH, UK: USE2 regional carrier holding company Trans States Holdings announced an order for 50 Embraer E175-E2s with 50 further purchase options on Monday. The order for up to 100 E175 E2s is worth more than $2.4 billion dollars and will be confirmed by Trans States Holdings at a later date.
Trans States Holdings is the parent company for regional carriers Trans States Airlines, Compass Airlines, and GoJet Airlines.
These regional carriers have existing contracts with Delta Connection, United Express, and US Airways Express (soon to become Envoy nee American Eagle), as well as a few aircraft flying at risk. Trans States’ current fleet is composed of 47 CRJ-700s, 28 Embraer E145s, 36 Embraer E175s, and 6 Embraer E170s. Trans States also has an order for 50 rival Mitsubishi MRJs placed in 2010.
Trans States will begin taking delivery of the E175-E2 in June 2020, and the E175-E2s will be configured with 76 seats in a two-class configurations.
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From Lambert's Twitter account.
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Yep. Purchased round trip tickets yesterday. Damn Frontier nickel and dimes you. You have to pay for assigned seats and carry on luggage!!!Chalupas54 wrote:Also, Frontier will now be flying seasonal service to Fort Meyers, appears they are trying to go after SWA.
You'd think if Enterprise Holdings really wanted a CRCF here they'd push for it and get one. I wouldn't mind a CRCF and an on-airport hotel like the Hyatt at Orlando or the Hilton at O'Hare.arch city wrote:Also, I suspect a consolidated rental car facility (CRCF) will eventually come to Lambert. St. Louis can be slow with some things.
For a major international gateway airport, LAX's car rental setup makes me the angriest.
They are Delta funded - not just at MSP either.zink wrote:Are you that is MSP funded or Delta funded?
http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/08/ ... estaurants
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Aw, I got excited and thought they might be improving the baggage unloading speed.
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Has most of the interior of both terminals been finished at this point with the baggage systems fully in place? Also how has summer travel looked at the airport? It does seem like there is now and upcoming later this year more nonstop flights from airlines to the west coast from here. Are there that many holes domestically left for nonstop options? Or is it at this point wanting increase to places from seasonal to year round, added frequency, and international routes
American will be cutting one STL-DCA frequency starting in November, leaving them with four daily flights in the market.
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isn't this just after going from 3 to 5? I wonder how much the merger with US Airways plays into this and their issues of DCA slots they had to give up (with most of those going to Southwest who is going from 2 to 3 from here). Now the question is are they changing the types of planes on the flights as well. Since it could be they are going larger in planes cancelling out the frequency reduction basically making total seats a wash. Delta did that in reducing number of flights from here recently to their MSP and SLC hubs, but moved all their flights to mainline keeping seats equal.gregl wrote:American will be cutting one STL-DCA frequency starting in November, leaving them with four daily flights in the market.
Greg
Also am I right in thinking that any new airlines entering the market at this point would go in Concourse C? Say if/when Spirit, JetBlue, or someone else starts service here I am thinking they would go there.
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Would love if JetBlue came to St Louis, except I don't see it happening for the near future.
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I just wonder how much they are adding to fleet, also they have not entered that much into routes that Southwest competes in which if they added St. Louis from the Boston operations they would. But its possible since the economic development locally from places like Cortex and the like has a number of groups connected with Boston which could increase air travel demand there. But its also possible the 3rd daily flight Southwest does over the summer goes year round once they get more planes.Chalupas54 wrote:Would love if JetBlue came to St Louis, except I don't see it happening for the near future.
Also looking at concourse use, where would someone like a JetBlue or Spirit go if they did start service here? I am guessing C since Terminal 2 is now full and I think the plan with A is not to add anyone there since there was issues with security lines there at times due to schedules and to accommodate United and Delta for their needs. (not sure if the added SFO flight on United in September would need use of another gate there due to its timing)
Actually I'm thinking we might end up starting to see D reopen partially at some point. Since I was wondering how much of C is unused? Isn't that area where there are international arrivals capabilities from the TWA days that are unused? Since I was wondering if they would consider remodeling and refurbishing that area and move the current international arrivals there, in part if at some point a transatlantic service is added it could all be there since the current location would need to be redone gatewise for widebody aircraft that would be used (not sure if this is feasible as well). Wouldn't doing that just about fill up C then?
C goes up to C38. Gates up to C24 are in use now. I think, but not sure, that some gate numbers get skipped... but there are at least 10 unused gates on C right now.imperialmog wrote:Actually I'm thinking we might end up starting to see D reopen partially at some point. Since I was wondering how much of C is unused? Isn't that area where there are international arrivals capabilities from the TWA days that are unused?
Greg