Well, the problem with that is educated folks in out-state Missouri tend to migrate out of Missouri. Nowhere, MO doesn't have a lot of demand for physicists or philosophers.JuanHamez wrote:I hear a lot of complaints about the "hillbillies of Missurah" dragging down our metro in perception and in reality. The solution to this is education. If we really think they're uneducated, we should open new colleges and universities or significantly expand existing ones to educate them and elevate them out of poverty, or we're guilty of being the insular and stuck up city people that they accuse us of being.
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Good point. And I think this is the real reason a lot of these Tea Party politicians in Missour-ah fear what everyone regardless of political bent should want--another wave of immigrants settling in St. Louis like the Bosnians did in the 90's.goat314 wrote:^There is a small of people in Missouri that are fighting hard to keep things stagnant here, because they know one economic or population boom could easily turn the state from slightly red to decidedly blue. Just my thoughts.
The theory is that once they get settled in the Democratic Party will seek them out, register them and there will be more voters to counter the state's rightward tilt.
Back to St. Louis on the Way to Brazil
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/31/sport ... razil.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/31/sport ... razil.html
I know that internet lists are meaningless - Still rather be on positive one, then a negative one-
St. Louis ranked 17th most under rated city in the US by Business Insider
http://www.businessinsider.com/most-und ... louis-mo-4
St. Louis ranked 17th most under rated city in the US by Business Insider
http://www.businessinsider.com/most-und ... louis-mo-4
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Very true. Here's something else to consider: Take Saint Louis and Kansas City out of the equation just for a moment. Yes, there are worthy institutions of higher learning outside of Missouri's two largest cities, but other than Columbia and Springfield, where in outstate Missouri are there opportunities for college graduates to stay and build a career? I went to school in Cape Girardeau- it's a prosperous community but a slow-growing one with few opportunities for professionals outside of the university and two hospitals. It's no better in places like Joplin, St. Joseph, Kirksville, Warrensburg, etc. Those graduates sometimes wind up in STL or KC, but the trouble is, they often go somewhere else altogether.MarkHaversham wrote:Well, the problem with that is educated folks in out-state Missouri tend to migrate out of Missouri. Nowhere, MO doesn't have a lot of demand for physicists or philosophers.JuanHamez wrote:I hear a lot of complaints about the "hillbillies of Missurah" dragging down our metro in perception and in reality. The solution to this is education. If we really think they're uneducated, we should open new colleges and universities or significantly expand existing ones to educate them and elevate them out of poverty, or we're guilty of being the insular and stuck up city people that they accuse us of being.
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beer city wrote:I know that internet lists are meaningless - Still rather be on positive one, then a negative one-
St. Louis ranked 17th most under rated city in the US by Business Insider
http://www.businessinsider.com/most-und ... louis-mo-4
Odd.St. Louis is a bit of an anomaly in that it's the only Southern interior city on the list – all our other underrated cities are coastal or Northern.
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To call St. Louis a "southern interior" city is a stretch by any means. What is "Southern interior" anyway? A house furnished by Paula Dean? 
Seriously, St. Louis has some Southern influences, but it's not exactly a Southern city. If anything, the Southern influences in St. Louis are more of a river culture thing, i.e., it has a lot more in common with Memphis and New Orleans than it does Atlanta, Charlotte, or Nashville.
Anyway, I'm glad we're the 17th most underrated city. But is it such an honor if 16 cities are ahead of us? It's not exactly something the RCGA can put in brochures. If the main criterion is whether a city is underrated, I'd put St. Louis in the top ten easily, maybe the top five. If I let my hometown bias kick in, I'd put St. Louis in the top spot, just because there is so much I love about this city, yet it's often very misunderstood by the media and even some of our own residents.
Seriously, St. Louis has some Southern influences, but it's not exactly a Southern city. If anything, the Southern influences in St. Louis are more of a river culture thing, i.e., it has a lot more in common with Memphis and New Orleans than it does Atlanta, Charlotte, or Nashville.
Anyway, I'm glad we're the 17th most underrated city. But is it such an honor if 16 cities are ahead of us? It's not exactly something the RCGA can put in brochures. If the main criterion is whether a city is underrated, I'd put St. Louis in the top ten easily, maybe the top five. If I let my hometown bias kick in, I'd put St. Louis in the top spot, just because there is so much I love about this city, yet it's often very misunderstood by the media and even some of our own residents.
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Um the list is stupid anyway.
Whats underrated about New York, Chicago, and San Fransisco. Not say they are bad I'm saying they are accurately rated. They are the centers of American culture and EVERYONE in the world has heard of them. A list of underrated cities I would expect to see MOSTLY Midwestern cities. Cities like Cincinnati, or Nashville. Or oft overlooked cities like San Diego or Portland. To put the big three on a list called most Underrated Cities is just moronic and eliminates any credibility the author of the list had in the first place.
Always happy to have St. Louis reflected on positively but seriously a stupid list.
Whats underrated about New York, Chicago, and San Fransisco. Not say they are bad I'm saying they are accurately rated. They are the centers of American culture and EVERYONE in the world has heard of them. A list of underrated cities I would expect to see MOSTLY Midwestern cities. Cities like Cincinnati, or Nashville. Or oft overlooked cities like San Diego or Portland. To put the big three on a list called most Underrated Cities is just moronic and eliminates any credibility the author of the list had in the first place.
Always happy to have St. Louis reflected on positively but seriously a stupid list.
I have met very intelligent coasties that are challenged when it comes to geography of the interior of the country.onecity wrote:^ We're in the Midwest? What a bunch of idiots.
I don't really fault them we are media groomed to pay attention to about 5 or 6 areas of the country
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I'm not sure exactly where the south ends and the midwest begins, but we are at the frontier. There is a reason upriver from here was known as the Little Dixie. But for the German-Americans we'd have been a solidly Southern-sympathizing town during the Civil War. Interesting to think if that would have changed the course of the war.... I don't think it would be too far-fetched as the city was vital to the Union control of the Mississippi.
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Maybe someone just looked at a pre-Civil War map and noted that Missouri was a slave state. In the 1860 election, though, St. Louis voted for Lincoln. The most telling sign, of course, is that iced tea here is not automatically pre-sweetened.
Just thirty miles south, however, there are a lot of people who believe we lost the Civil War.
Just thirty miles south, however, there are a lot of people who believe we lost the Civil War.
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Mizzou is SEC. That'll define a lot of how MO is viewed nationally...
When considering where the "South" begins, I'm reminded of multiple trips I have made to Memphis driving down 55. Leaving STL, you go south through the hilly country of the Ozark Foothills as you drive parallel to the Mississippi River. This stretches down to Scott City, MO before the terrain fully changes, going from green hills into flat farmland ideal for growing cotton. This geographic transition is clearly evident to all travelers, the leaving of one environment for another, about 15 miles south of Cape Girardeau and 15 miles north of the intersection of US 55 and US 57, across the river from Cairo, IL.
More than just about anywhere I've ever been, this is where the "South" can truly be said to begin as a matter of geographic transtion. Perhaps not with sweet tea and searsucker suits, but very much the South all the same, just before the MO Bootheel and entering the fully-southern State of Arkansas. Yee haw.
When considering where the "South" begins, I'm reminded of multiple trips I have made to Memphis driving down 55. Leaving STL, you go south through the hilly country of the Ozark Foothills as you drive parallel to the Mississippi River. This stretches down to Scott City, MO before the terrain fully changes, going from green hills into flat farmland ideal for growing cotton. This geographic transition is clearly evident to all travelers, the leaving of one environment for another, about 15 miles south of Cape Girardeau and 15 miles north of the intersection of US 55 and US 57, across the river from Cairo, IL.
More than just about anywhere I've ever been, this is where the "South" can truly be said to begin as a matter of geographic transtion. Perhaps not with sweet tea and searsucker suits, but very much the South all the same, just before the MO Bootheel and entering the fully-southern State of Arkansas. Yee haw.
Gone Corporate, I think that is a good way to put it. I think another good way to put it. Everybody in Iowa will say it the same way, everybody in Arkansas will say it the same way but you will always hear Missouri two different ways. It's a place of transition from the corn belt to cotton belt.
I do think one thing, as an outsider who lived in St. Louis for five years the region really undervalues its River Heritage and the beauty it offers at same time I think one of the smartest things the region did as whole was to create the Great River Greenway district. Like New Orleans and Memphis, I see St. Louis first and foremost a river city that bridges the interior regions.
I do think one thing, as an outsider who lived in St. Louis for five years the region really undervalues its River Heritage and the beauty it offers at same time I think one of the smartest things the region did as whole was to create the Great River Greenway district. Like New Orleans and Memphis, I see St. Louis first and foremost a river city that bridges the interior regions.
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Our region sure is fascinating. For example what was our identity back in 1780 when the British and Indians attacked Saint Louis in 1780? Spanish forces abandon their fort on the Missouri River to reinforce the city by building a new fort called Fort Don Carlos @ Ballpark Village and the collection of Spanish, Creole, French, American and who knows else successfully thwarted the attack. Saint Louis -- Spanish administered, French/Creole settled, British desired, American destined. Crazy.
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They have the best margaritas. And I hear their appetizers are half off during happy hour.roger wyoming II wrote:Fort Don Carlos @ Ballpark Village
Came across this nitecap read on the Zite app last evening. Good press for city living.
http://www.houzz.com/ideabooks/18556232 ... -St--Louis
http://www.houzz.com/ideabooks/18556232 ... -St--Louis
New York Times: Blighted Cities Prefer Razing to RebuildingTwo miles northwest of the Gateway Arch in St. Louis, which has at least 6,000 vacant buildings, is an uninhabited deciduous forest where a sprawling 74-acre housing development once stood before the city demolished it because so few people lived there.
In my opinion, the article leaves some gray areas. For example, Pruitt-Igoe was crime-ridden and full of low-income and poverty-level residents. There was no need to rebuild Pruitt-Igoe as it was and demand in the city hasn't been strong enough to redevelop the land into new housing or maybe, for some, the land is just in the wrong part of town for it to be redeveloped. Ultimately, there's no need to plop new housing there if measured demand doesn't necessarily warrant it.
Also, the article doesn't mentioned the TONS of buildings that have been rebuilt and saved in all of the cities mentioned. Although the razing of buildings do tend to happen more-so in the post-industrial cities, the razing of old and historic buildings just doesn't happen in the post-industrial cities.
Last, I feel that having a large population doesn't necessarily mean there's a good quality of life. While cities tend to bean count, what's more important than anything is the quality of life of a city - low crime, jobs, good schools, transportation, cleanliness, a functional and responsive government etc. These qualities ultimately bring people.
Another way to explain who we are: The 15 types of communities that make up America
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/gov ... p-america/
Apparently, St. Louis is the African-American South but Charlotte and Jacksonville are "big cities"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/gov ... p-america/
Apparently, St. Louis is the African-American South but Charlotte and Jacksonville are "big cities"
^LOLOLOL! To get attention, organizations and people really do literally just pull sh*t out of their asses, don't they?
Not necessarily "national", but still a positive piece of commentary by a non-native.
The heroic city- St. Louis; a view from the new guy.
The heroic city- St. Louis; a view from the new guy.
But after just a week of living in my new town I realized my pre-conceived notions about this place were flat wrong.
Denver, New York, D.C., and San Francisco draw people with dreams of the mountains, the ocean, or a prestigious job in a high-powered city. But I get the sense that people live in St. Louis because of their deep ties to family, their enduring friendships and their desire to have a high quality of life- and many of them are here doing some of the most sophisticated work on the planet (Boeing, Monsanto, Express Scripts, Washington University etc.)
And these people were wildly open about sharing this life with anyone who came to stay in their fair city.
Cherokee gets a nice piece in Southern Living - (Southern Living?)
http://thedailysouth.southernliving.com ... -st-louis/
http://thedailysouth.southernliving.com ... -st-louis/
Would you rather we not get the exposure? Just because the name is "Southern Living" doesn't mean they can't write about other environs.onecity wrote:^Seriously. What the hell? Do we have southern accents? No.
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Wash. U. ranked the smartest college in the US based on Luminosity performance:
http://venturebeat.com/2013/11/14/these ... prise-you/
http://venturebeat.com/2013/11/14/these ... prise-you/