St. Louis in the National Media

urbanitas · PostDec 21, 2019#18762019-12-21T08:26+00:00

jshank83 wrote: ↑
Dec 19, 2019
Why St. Louis Needs to Be Your Next Weekend Getaway

https://www.cntraveler.com/story/guide-to-st-louis

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There’s a reason you’ve been hearing a lot about St. Louis lately. Or maybe that’s just from me, since I can’t stop talking about it. The major metropolitan area just south of the Illinois border at the Mississippi River is home to just over 318,000 Missourians and more than 25 million visitors annually. New York, a city of more than 8.6 million, is expected to get 67 million visitors in 2019, which proportionally, is significantly less than three times the amount of visitors St. Louis will see. So why are so many flocking to this small Midwestern city?
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Locals don’t typically rely on limited public transit to get around town, so if you’re not comfortable renting a car (a major St. Louis selling point is the area’s lack of traffic and generally courteous drivers), ride-shares like Uber and Lyft are easy to acquire in the city and surrounding area. Electric scooters, like Bird, are also rampant throughout St. Louis, so you can scoot through town on the cheap.
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So much...huh?

urban_dilettante · PostDec 22, 2019#18772019-12-22T19:19+00:00

^ huh, indeed. embarrassing.

DTGstl314 · PostDec 24, 2019#18782019-12-24T19:05+00:00

urban_dilettante wrote: ↑
Dec 22, 2019
^ huh, indeed. embarrassing.

Embarrassing for St. Louis, because we've never broadly embraced public transit across the socioeconomic and racial spectrum? (IE - pretty much everyone in New York and Chicago uses public transportation; in St. Louis, it's predominantly used by poor/lower middle class mainly non-white people who don't have/can't afford any other means of transportation).

sc4mayor · PostDec 24, 2019#18792019-12-24T19:19+00:00

^ That's most US cities outside of NY, Chicago and the NE Corridor though.

I think the bigger head scratcher is this:

The major metropolitan area just south of the Illinois border at the Mississippi River is home to just over 318,000 Missourians and more than 25 million visitors annually.

The metropolitan area is home to nearly 3 million people...and I'm pretty sure we're west of the Illinois border lol.

sc4mayor · PostDec 24, 2019#18802019-12-24T20:49+00:00

A little follow up from the New York Times about Charles Glenn after the Stanley Cup victory:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/24/spor ... glenn.html

Their original story:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/04/spor ... inals.html

jshank83 · PostDec 24, 2019#18812019-12-24T22:14+00:00

DTGstl314 wrote: ↑
Dec 24, 2019
urban_dilettante wrote: ↑
Dec 22, 2019
^ huh, indeed. embarrassing.
Embarrassing for St. Louis, because we've never broadly embraced public transit across the socioeconomic and racial spectrum? (IE - pretty much everyone in New York and Chicago uses public transportation; in St. Louis, it's predominantly used by poor/lower middle class mainly non-white people who don't have/can't afford any other means of transportation).

The difference is traffic. If people can drive faster they are going to drive. In all those big cities you can’t get to work faster in a car.

I’d love to take public transit if it wasn’t 3x as long.

Also, cost I am sure plays into it. Lots of people have free parking at work here, those cities probably not so much.

urban_dilettante · PostDec 25, 2019#18822019-12-25T00:46+00:00

DTGstl314 wrote: ↑
Dec 24, 2019
Embarrassing for St. Louis, because we've never broadly embraced public transit across the socioeconomic and racial spectrum?

this too, but i was mostly referring to the poor quality and inaccuracy of the writing. and it was oddly boosterish-yet-disparaging. i think poorly-written fluff pieces like this tend to do more harm than good. when people keep reading the same fluff over and over again they're bound to wonder if people can't come up with anything better to say about the region.

PostDec 25, 2019#18832019-12-25T00:51+00:00

sc4mayor wrote: ↑
Dec 24, 2019
^ That's most US cities outside of NY, Chicago and the NE Corridor though.

not so sure... there seems to be less stigma in the west and northwest as well—particularly when it comes to buses. the stigma seems to be worst in the south and midwest, i think.

PostDec 25, 2019#18842019-12-25T00:57+00:00

jshank83 wrote: ↑
Dec 24, 2019
The difference is traffic. If people can drive faster they are going to drive. In all those big cities you can’t get to work faster in a car.

I’d love to take public transit if it wasn’t 3x as long.

Also, cost I am sure plays into it. Lots of people have free parking at work here, those cities probably not so much.

to an extent, but people are willing to trade some time in order to avoid the hassle of car ownership as long as the experience is pleasant enough. i think that's the real issue that drives people away, especially in regions with high poverty/crime. i mean, bus ridership keeps growing in Seattle, for example.

rbb · PostDec 27, 2019#18852019-12-27T16:23+00:00

sc4mayor wrote: ↑
Dec 24, 2019
^ That's most US cities outside of NY, Chicago and the NE Corridor though.

I think the bigger head scratcher is this:

The major metropolitan area just south of the Illinois border at the Mississippi River is home to just over 318,000 Missourians and more than 25 million visitors annually.
The metropolitan area is home to nearly 3 million people...and I'm pretty sure we're west of the Illinois border lol.

Well St. Louis is south of Alton...

-RBB

jshank83 · PostDec 28, 2019#18862019-12-28T00:11+00:00

rbb wrote: ↑
Dec 27, 2019
sc4mayor wrote: ↑
Dec 24, 2019
^ That's most US cities outside of NY, Chicago and the NE Corridor though.

I think the bigger head scratcher is this:

The major metropolitan area just south of the Illinois border at the Mississippi River is home to just over 318,000 Missourians and more than 25 million visitors annually.
The metropolitan area is home to nearly 3 million people...and I'm pretty sure we're west of the Illinois border lol.
Well St. Louis is south of Alton...

-RBB

East of Grafton

urbanitas · PostDec 28, 2019#18872019-12-28T00:41+00:00

rbb wrote: ↑
Dec 27, 2019
sc4mayor wrote: ↑
Dec 24, 2019
^ That's most US cities outside of NY, Chicago and the NE Corridor though.

I think the bigger head scratcher is this:

The metropolitan area is home to nearly 3 million people...and I'm pretty sure we're west of the Illinois border lol.
Well St. Louis is south of Alton...

-RBB

The Gateway Arch is 66 miles east of the Illinois border...if you are here:

Brownie points if you can correctly guess where this is.

PostDec 28, 2019#18882019-12-28T01:03+00:00

DTGstl314 wrote: ↑
Dec 24, 2019
urban_dilettante wrote: ↑
Dec 22, 2019
^ huh, indeed. embarrassing.
Embarrassing for St. Louis, because we've never broadly embraced public transit across the socioeconomic and racial spectrum? (IE - pretty much everyone in New York and Chicago uses public transportation; in St. Louis, it's predominantly used by poor/lower middle class mainly non-white people who don't have/can't afford any other means of transportation).

No, embarrassing for the publisher, the author of the article, and her educators. There are 5 basic research and writing errors in just those two paragraphs that I pasted.

That doesn't even count the failure to mention MetroLink, or that it directly connects half of her local mentions, and all but three of them are within a fairly easy walk or scoot of a station.

framer · PostDec 28, 2019#18892019-12-28T01:42+00:00

^^Gotta be Quincy.

STLrainbow · PostDec 28, 2019#18902019-12-28T02:03+00:00

rbb wrote: ↑
Dec 27, 2019
sc4mayor wrote: ↑
Dec 24, 2019
^ That's most US cities outside of NY, Chicago and the NE Corridor though.

I think the bigger head scratcher is this:

The major metropolitan area just south of the Illinois border at the Mississippi River is home to just over 318,000 Missourians and more than 25 million visitors annually.
The metropolitan area is home to nearly 3 million people...and I'm pretty sure we're west of the Illinois border lol.
Well St. Louis is south of Alton...

-RBB

very true... what also hit me when I went up Compton Water Tower was how the JB Bridge is almost due south of Grand. What's next... Detroit north of Canada?

framer · PostDec 28, 2019#18912019-12-28T02:19+00:00

And why do you travel east to get from the Atlantic to the Pacific?

symphonicpoet · PostDec 28, 2019#18922019-12-28T03:44+00:00

There are several options: because you go through the Med, the Suez, the Indian Ocean, and the Straits of Malacca, which is often the most logical route. Or you go through Panama's broken gooseneck, assuming you fit. Which I assume is what you were getting at. But it's not strictly required that you go east. It's just usually easier. The straits of Magellan are apparently a blue pain in the ass and the Overland Route requires a lot of transloading.

framer · PostDec 28, 2019#18932019-12-28T04:44+00:00

But seriously, there is one place in Illinois that lies west of the Mississippi River.

symphonicpoet · PostDec 28, 2019#18942019-12-28T06:54+00:00

^Okay, yes. The story has some misleading geographic and demographic information, to put it mildly. Some annoying implications.

urbanitas · PostDec 28, 2019#18952019-12-28T09:34+00:00

framer wrote: ↑
Dec 28, 2019
^^Gotta be Quincy.

Yep, that is Maine Street in Quincy. That town has an astounding collection of architecture. Dozens of large, beautiful 19th century mansions, some pre-Civil War, and some great buildings in and around downtown as well.

addxb2 · PostDec 28, 2019#18962019-12-28T16:33+00:00

Was just in Quincy. Could be so much more! Healthy density, mixed-use intersections, interesting changes in topography, connectivity to Chicago via Amtrak, fantastic arts scene.

Just needs good leadership that knows how to light the match.

PlatinumBlues · PostDec 28, 2019#18972019-12-28T21:35+00:00

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/12/ ... -2019.html

I found this in Cleveland.com. While Indy and twin cities are positive St Louis on the other hand is negative. It’s about better together failed attempt at merging municipalities and such.

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DTGstl314 · PostDec 31, 2019#18982019-12-31T01:06+00:00

urbanitas wrote: ↑
Dec 28, 2019
DTGstl314 wrote: ↑
Dec 24, 2019
urban_dilettante wrote: ↑
Dec 22, 2019
^ huh, indeed. embarrassing.
Embarrassing for St. Louis, because we've never broadly embraced public transit across the socioeconomic and racial spectrum? (IE - pretty much everyone in New York and Chicago uses public transportation; in St. Louis, it's predominantly used by poor/lower middle class mainly non-white people who don't have/can't afford any other means of transportation).
No, embarrassing for the publisher, the author of the article, and her educators. There are 5 basic research and writing errors in just those two paragraphs that I pasted.

That doesn't even count the failure to mention MetroLink, or that it directly connects half of her local mentions, and all but three of them are within a fairly easy walk or scoot of a station.

1) The major metropolitan area just south of the Illinois border (pretty obvious)

2) home to just over 318,000 Missourians (I assume she was referring to the city proper, but the antecedent she referred to was "metropolitan area")

So... what are 3, 4, and 5?

Trololzilla · PostDec 31, 2019#18992019-12-31T07:07+00:00

^ I believe the others refer to the grammar mistakes within those paragraphs, (and which are present throughout the article along with other instances of poor/sloppy writing).

jbacott · PostDec 31, 2019#19002019-12-31T16:00+00:00

urban_dilettante wrote: ↑
Dec 25, 2019
jshank83 wrote: ↑
Dec 24, 2019
The difference is traffic. If people can drive faster they are going to drive. In all those big cities you can’t get to work faster in a car.

I’d love to take public transit if it wasn’t 3x as long.

Also, cost I am sure plays into it. Lots of people have free parking at work here, those cities probably not so much.
to an extent, but people are willing to trade some time in order to avoid the hassle of car ownership as long as the experience is pleasant enough. i think that's the real issue that drives people away, especially in regions with high poverty/crime. i mean, bus ridership keeps growing in Seattle, for example.

Seattle's increased use of public transit is a poster child for the argument that traffic is the primary driver. Seattle's is awful and the local residents are searching for any alternative while they wait for the Sound Transit to continue expanding.

St. Louis in the National Media

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