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PostNov 16, 2016#1226

I want to add a few observations about how St. Louis is typically depicted by the national media.

I think there is a lot of unnecessary focus on our city's population loss since 1950, and our slide from the fourth most populous city in the nation down to something like 52nd place.
So we lost 63.16% of our residents from 1950-2015. Does this make STL the poster child for urban population loss? Not really, especially when we consider the fact that Cleveland lost a higher percentage than we did, 67.6%. So did Buffalo, 65.5%, and Detroit, 63.4%. Basically, it's common
to many older industrial cities of the Midwest, Great Lakes region, and the Northeast. We are not unique.
Of course it goes without saying that if STL wasn't landlocked, and was able to annex nearby areas like most other big cities have done in their history, our city's population would not have decreased quite so fast.. or maybe not at all.
Besides...I for one would not wish to live in a St Louis containing 856,000 inhabitants today. That would require enduring more than 2 and one half times the rush hour traffic volume. There would also be a proportionate increase in litter, noise, etc. There would certainly a higher number of crimes, too. The things we enjoy and that add quality to our lives-- parks, museums, the zoo, etc,-- would contain a higher number of people on any given day. Basically I'm saying, sharing the same 61 or so square miles with 2 and a half times as many people would not be very desirable.
Another point: There are serious discussions regarding the city of STL re-entering the county as its 91'st (I think) municipality. Great idea. Those not in favor of this concept believe that either the suburbs will somehow be adversely affected (I see no way that could be true), or that the city only wants to "merge" with the county to make our crime stats look better. To begin with, this would not be a merger. No combination city-county entity would result. The county wouldn't suddenly become part of the city. The city would remain a separate municipality. And given that fact, the city's crime stats would not change whatsoever. True, the county's stats would be comprised of the total stats of all its municipalities plus its unincorporated areas. But comparisons of county-to-county crime stats are seldom featured in the national news. It's always city-to-city comparisons, which are like comparing grapes to watermelons. The only fair way of looking at crime stats is by comparing entire MSA's. And the St Louis MSA ranks somewhere in the middle among the 40 most populous American MSA's.
Final thought: I think the national press, which is based in New York, DC, LA and other cities near or on the coasts, are somewhat egotistical and sorely out of touch with middle America, still considering us nothing more than "flyover" territory. So it's easy for big media to show cities like STL in an unfavorable light. It's been going on for decades and is unlikely to change soon.

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PostNov 16, 2016#1227

Having spent a little time in more populous areas, I think some of your fears don't really bear out. Utilization for the major amenities would likely be the same anyway, as folks still get to them from the entire region and that has grown, albeit slowly. And traffic wouldn't necessarily be much worse. More folks would be traveling, but they'd be making shorter trips. Traffic really works out to passenger miles more than the number of passengers, and that might not change a bit. The real problem comes if everyone is trying to make the trip at the same time. Maybe that two to four mile commute takes ten to twenty minutes because of peak volumes slowing things down . . . much like the five to ten mile commute now. But we could do it with less asphalt, less concrete, less gas . . . We'd come out ahead cost-wise. Efficiency of scale.

But with that density you'd get real benefits: greater variety within an easy walk. In Cai Lay, a very modest little Asian town of about three hundred thousand people, there are quite litterally dozens of retailers within a block or two of my in-laws: a large coffee, two ice-cream parlors, several restaurants, clothiers, a scooter shop, fish mongers, a large market (Soulard style, but much bigger and busier) a furniture seller, repair shops, small factories, a cloth store, a reception hall, a bank, a pharmacy, a small indoor amusement park . . . heavens to betsy but the list goes on. And that's just within a couple of blocks in a small, virtually nameless town in Southeast Asia. And that's not even counting the small merchants that set up carts or spread out goods on the sidewalk. All of this is possible in such a small area simply because the place is unimaginably dense by Western standards . . . but people still have modest single family rowhouses with two or three bedrooms, a kitchen, a dining room . . . all the usual stuff that you expect in a house here. Just more vertical and with maybe a little less yard. (Usually no yard in the front. Only in the back. Front yards have mostly been given over to businesses, which seems quite sensible. Get a little rent from that patch of grass in the front.) To be fair, the inlaws are on a busyish street, but . . . nobody's really far from anything there. And sure, it's loud. But the noise is nothing a few mufflers and some traffic regulation couldn't fix.

The place you really start to notice the traffic is if you want to get into or out of the city. That takes a little while, especially during rush hour. Average speeds are about half what they are here. But if you rarely need to go more than a fraction of as far . . . And the same problems wouldn't apply here, as the Interstate system would doubtless still function more or less the same once you were out of the city.

So we could probably recapture the density of old without some of the costs thanks to advances in technology. Of course, that only applies if people actually want to live in a noisy, colorful, bright thing that looks and works like a city.

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PostNov 16, 2016#1228

One issue in trying to compare population size to the past is the need to compare average household size between two time periods. Since I'm guessing a large amount of population loss and possibly over half is explained by just that. There is also the phenomenon in some areas of people rehabbing houses and combining units, since that would result in population loss but its an addition by subtraction sort of development.

As for the middle America comment, can't help but think of that in relation to recent events as well.

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PostNov 16, 2016#1229

When STL is ripped in the national media for population loss, it is never mentioned that STL is 64 sq. miles, compared to say a KC or OKC, that has annexed endless miles of land. That is huge! If a family moves to Maplewood, Clayton or Affton, are they really leaving STL??! Of course not! They crossed an imaginary border, but that population is still there. I'm not going to deny that our growth rate is not good enough, but then again, considering the loss of industry and corporations, you'd expect a lot more population loss. In fact, our region is still gaining just under 1%. Again, not good enough, but our region has never really focused on attracting immigrants, other than the surge of Bosnian people in the 90's. I think our regional leaders recognize the need for more immigrants. Right now, as we all know, one of our worst enemies is our reputation, fair or not. When someone is looking to move here, they will see countless articles about STL being a crime-ridden city, with the highest murder rate in the country. Then sprinkle in recent articles about Syrian refugees and their struggles in North STL. Who thought putting them up there was a good idea!!!? Then you throw in the global attention in Ferguson. Right now, we have an image problem. Hopefully, we'll see North City start to turnaround, the construction boom continue and the start-up scene continue to blossom. In my opinion (not rocket science) population growth follows the jobs, in most cases. All of that other stuff is secondary to JOBS. Simple as that!

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PostNov 16, 2016#1230

The 2020 census is going to be very interesting. Can the all the population growth in the central corridor offset what I assume will be losses in north city and potentially south city? If we can somehow manage population growth in the city in 2020 that actually might start changing perceptions of city at least from a national standpoint? Turning around population loss that's been happening since the 50's should at least get some acknowledgement. The question is whether population will increase.

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PostDec 13, 2016#1231

Fox 2 and the Rams make the Washington Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/ear ... dee92bce31

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PostDec 18, 2016#1232

A St. Louis Suburb Jailed Nearly 2,000 People for Not Paying Fines
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... lawsuit%20

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PostDec 20, 2016#1233

I'm not sure if this has been posted here or not but its a pretty great article about how successful STL and Missouri overall have been in growing a tech industry.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/st- ... -frontier/

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PostDec 31, 2016#1234

Ferguson's radical knitters: "If someone asks me what I’m doing, I say, ‘I’m knitting for black liberation"
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ace-issues

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PostDec 31, 2016#1235

This story is starting to make waves: Rep. Lacy Clay has hung a painting in the US Capital which depicting cops as animals with the Arch in the background. The painting, by a Cardinal Ritter Prep student, won a student competition.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt ... b003e.html

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PostJan 01, 2017#1236

framer wrote:This story is starting to make waves: Rep. Lacy Clay has hung a painting in the US Capital which depicting cops as animals with the Arch in the background. The painting, by a Cardinal Ritter Prep student, won a student competition.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt ... b003e.html
It appears the person being shot is an animal as well.

I think the Republic will survive a high school student's painting being displayed in the Capitol.

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PostJan 01, 2017#1237

Ebsy wrote:It appears the person being shot is an animal as well.
I was going to point that out too but was too tired to potentially start an argument.

I'm sure most STL PD readers would rather just believe that the kid who painted it is a terrorist who deserves to be imprisoned or executed.

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PostJan 02, 2017#1238

I'll also mention that it's really quite a bit better than your usual college student art, let alone high school. Seems a quite solid entry. The people depicted as most animalistic (there's a progression) also generally appear to be the most angry. The justice/crucifix/graduate figure is perhaps the most human. And also presumably a dead martyr. The message could be that the police are animals . . . if you don't look very close or very long. But closer inspection leads you to rather different conclusions. Heck, even one or two of the protesters (as the man holding the racism kills sign) look somewhat animalistic. And more than a little angry. It's pretty good, actually. I even like it. I'd say folks reacting in anger are perhaps missing the point . . . and becoming the animals in the painting.

Art will probably always be somewhat controversial. There's no accounting for taste, and stylistic preferences are often quite subjective. (Is there any good reason I'd rather have that on my wall than Thomas Kinkaid? Mm . . . maybe. Maybe not. But I assure you I would.)

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PostJan 02, 2017#1239

I like it.

Ultimately, I see a balanced piece. There is a lot going on in the piece. In many ways, it is skillful, thought-provoking and layered with current and historic messages. I'll just touch on a few. The cop and protester interaction seems to represent each seeing the other as animals. The size of the cops represent their power. I also see the depiction of the scales of justice and criminal justice system being unbalanced towards black men. You can be an educated black man in America, but still treated "as a slave" (or with inequalilty) as represented by the male holding the scales. This is further illustrated by the graduation cap and ragged pants. The dove appears to be respresenting a desire for peace, but the evil crow (Jim Crow) appears to be attacking the dove. The "Beauty Shop" sign seems to be a metaphor intended to chide (or mock) aspects of the unrest as well as racism and injustice in America.

The problem here is that police association's often think cops are above reproach - and they aren't. It's also interesting police associations are only complaining about themselves being depicted as animals, when in the piece it is clear non-police are depicted as such as well. Part of the problem with police associations is that they are so used to having their way with the public - most of the time - they feel as if they can simply demand what they want and it's magically done.

I also find it interesting that cops are known for calling some American citizens they encounter as "animals" but noone should depict cops as such in artwork. Remember too there was a St. Louis-area cop caught on tape calling protestors in Ferguson, "animals". He said something like, "You all are a bunch of animals" - and chances are he's still on the job.

Nonetheless, this art piece is very interesting, poignant and is layered with thought-provoking metaphors and symbolism - too many to discuss here.

This piece has only piqued my interest in his other artwork.

However, despite its balance, the jury is still out for me as to whether this piece should be in a government building or not.

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PostJan 02, 2017#1240

Conservatives come across as hypocrites when we attack political correctness and the epidemic of offended leftists on campuses squashing free speech and then turn-around and demand the removal of everything that offends us.

There's nuance to everything. This at least has talent and the potential for dialogue, unlike, say, submerging a crucifix in urine and calling it art.

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PostJan 05, 2017#1241

Forbes piece on Scottrade and MLS stadium funding.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2017 ... 894c216b42

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PostJan 06, 2017#1242

After reading that article, I'm praying they find a way to get both the Scottrade and the MLS stadium deal done. There have to be alternative and more creative ways to get the financing or revenue. I do think there is a lot of intangible benefits outside of the pure numbers that sports teams provide, which was highlighted in the article.

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PostJan 06, 2017#1243

Intangible benefits, yes. But at what opportunity cost and actual investment cost? I'm completely a sports nerd and have made a living working in the sports industry, but there is a point where a stadium financing plan is just too insane to blindly support. Giving the ownership group a sales tax on MLS and stadium tickets seems reasonable to me. A city wide 1% tax increase without even approaching the county for support... not so much. MLS2STL appear to either have no true, feasible plan in place or they're completely ignorant/naive to the actual political and economic environment of St. Louis and Missouri. I'm not quite sure which one it is, but both are equally alarming to me.

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PostJan 06, 2017#1244

chaifetz10 wrote:Intangible benefits, yes. But at what opportunity cost and actual investment cost? I'm completely a sports nerd and have made a living working in the sports industry, but there is a point where a stadium financing plan is just too insane to blindly support. Giving the ownership group a sales tax on MLS and stadium tickets seems reasonable to me. A city wide 1% tax increase without even approaching the county for support... not so much. MLS2STL appear to either have no true, feasible plan in place or they're completely ignorant/naive to the actual political and economic environment of St. Louis and Missouri. I'm not quite sure which one it is, but both are equally alarming to me.
Maybe they already know they will get no support from the county just like the rams deal. I do think the deal needs to be reworked but let's be honest, Stenger is not giving money for a soccer stadium downtown.

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PostJan 06, 2017#1245

True. Hence why I'm in favor for taxes on the stadium and ticket sales but not a city wide tax to support it. City residents shouldn't have to foot the bill alone for intangible benefits that everyone in the region get to enjoy. Either MLS2STL need to narrow the taxing base to the stadium itself and ticket sales or they need to expand the radius to seek funding from the county. This whole relying on the city alone in exchange for the entire region receiving intangible benefits needs to end. That or MLS2STL need to find private investors who can help. If the deal is a good as they claim it to be, then why do they need such a high percentage of subsidization in the first place?

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PostJan 11, 2017#1246

Grasping for change on America's most violent streets: 'We must stop killing'
A four-mile stretch on Natural Bridge Avenue in St Louis – not in Chicago or Baltimore – is the place in America most plagued by gun violence
https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-in ... dge-avenue

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PostJan 16, 2017#1247

After long decline, St. Louis tries to rebuild with startups

http://via.fox2now.com/1jKi7


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PostJan 18, 2017#1248

From Apollo, The International Art Magazine: There's much more to St. Louis than the memory of the World's Fair
Having lived in the US for 15 years, I am beginning to be less surprised at finding city museums with astonishing collections in most cities across the country. But in St Louis I was also impressed by a trio of exceptional museums devoted to contemporary art.
-RBB

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PostJan 18, 2017#1249

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From Apollo, The International Art Magazine: There's much more to St. Louis than the memory of the World's Fair
Cool article, but this ridiculous claim needs to be called out:

" ...and a young Charles Dickens had visited the city whose population was greater than New York’s."

HUH???? St. Louis has NEVER been more populated than New York at any time in its history. That is just a silly, easily debunkable, completely untrue statement that in my opinion undermines the validity of the article in the eyes of anyone who's educated in US history.

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PostJan 19, 2017#1250

I think he's calling us fat.

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