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PostJun 06, 2016#1126

Bloomberg........a conservative-leaning business journal attacking St. Louis - a Democratic-run city for over a half-century.

Pay attention to the jabs. Consider the source.

I am sooooooooooooo tired of this sh*t talk about the loss of corporate HQs. :evil:

I also get tired of this bullsh*t about St. Louis is shrinking and "contracting".

Some journalists are LAZY asses who simply do not do their homework or they simply want to attack.

While the City of St. Louis is "contracting" (although more slowly), the metro area's population hasn't contracted nor has the metro GDP. Both are growing albeit slower than the national average.

Additionally, despite some global/corporate HQ losses, St. Louis has CONSISTENTLY had about the same amount F500-F1000 for the last 10 years or greater ...................and................. the firms are LARGER than they EVER have been.

The first five F500 ALONE for Missouri are St. Louis-based and represent about $172-billion in revenues. There are 18 F1000 firms based in the St. Louis area.

Express Scripts alone had revenues of nearly $102-BILLION in 2015. No company in St. Louis history nor Missouri history - has ever had this volume of revenue.

Express Scripts is homegrown. Centene moved from Wisconsin when it was a start-up, but it too is practically homegrown. Monsanto, Ameren, Edward Jones, RGA, Emerson, Graybar, Peabody etc. That's just the F500.

Sigh......I will say that although some big HOUSEHOLD names are gone i.e. A-B, TWA, McDonnell, Southwestern Bell etc. Other big firms have come to fill the gaps. Other cities have not been so fortune. Cities lose HQs. M&As (Mergers and Acquisitions) in business happen. Chicago, New York, Atlanta, Minneapolis, Dallas, Houston, Los Angeles, Seattle, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Pittsburgh (Heinz), Kansas City etc. etc. etc. have all lost corporate firms through mergers, relocations, bankruptcy etc.

St. Louis is no exception.

Further, Lambert was a major primary hub airport. Lambert, in my opinion, has been "right-sized" although it could use some additional international flights. The only reason Lambert was so big was because TWA used it for its primary hub airport. Other cities have lost hub status or hometown airlines - and are worse off - in many instances. The only reason the 30% flight reduction in Cleveland seems better is because Cleveland was not a major primary hub for Continental (now United). The cuts in Cleveland are (were) actually worse. Today, Lambert does almost twice the traffic.

Keep some things in perspective:
1. Manufacturing has dipped in metro St. Louis, which helps to explain, I think, challenges in GDP growth. The local economy is transitioning.
2. Overall, GDP has risen in metro St. Louis.
3. Population has risen in metro St. Louis.
4. Corporations (public and private) have increased in number and revenues.
5. CORTEX and T-REx, which were not mentioned in the horrendous, lazily-written article, is responsible for creating THOUSANDS jobs in the city thus far.
6. Since American's decapitation of Lambert, Lambert is now more vibrant and busier than it has been in recent years thanks mostly to Southwest Airlines.
7. St. Louis' pre-recession employment numbers have recovered and now are at an all-time high.
8. St. Louis is consistently ranking as a top start-up scene.

Despite hits it has taken, how long must St. Louis keep debunking this bunk that it is dying?

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PostJun 06, 2016#1127

The media loves to cater to the St.Louis pessimistic's including our local media and post dispatch isn't it what they want anyways?
I'm over the past of what St.Louis used to be thats over with the past had some grander times and I'm for certain the future will as well but as a region we must move on and stop worrying what the media or a few short minded visitors think of us. If we continue to allow the media to dictate who we are as a city and region then we might as well give in to them
I get it we're no Austin or Portland Denver etc. nor will we ever be and I'm completely fine with that and thats not the reason i choose to call St.Louis home
Theres this tactic that St.Louis is crumbling but yet amazon just announced its bringing 1,000 jobs here the NGA's decision to stay in the city at that move to the Northside of town is big booster and yes monsanto may get gobbled up but its not like we don't have a start up seen here that someday one or maybe 7 of them will be in the fortune 500.
St.Louis Detroit are the midwest punching bag to glamorize the other cities
I can never wrap on why Pittsburgh gets so much good media attention yet its over all metro area is contracting the same with Clevelands but they still have 3 professional teams? Is there something missing here
Whatever we do here will never be good enough however I'm ok with that what i see in St.Louis is a place of home a place of security and place to be proud of.
In all its not proving to the naysayers we can do it its proving to ourselves we can do it and i believe we have the foundation to become a great place for the people who choose to call St.Louis home.

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PostJun 06, 2016#1128

^^ Arch, will you copy/paste your comment over in the STLToday comments? Surprisingly it isn't that bad over there at the moment but a little more positivity can't hurt. :)

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PostJun 07, 2016#1129

Clickbaiters gonna clickbait.

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PostJun 07, 2016#1130

"^^ Arch, will you copy/paste your comment over in the STLToday comments? Surprisingly it isn't that bad over there at the moment but a little more positivity can't hurt. :)"

:D

Thanks for the invite, but I really try to avoid the P-D's comment sections.

Feel free to post if you desire.

Also, I clarified some thoughts in the post.

PostJun 07, 2016#1131

St.Louis1764, I agree with you 1000%.

I think there are some local pessimistic writers cater to pessimistic readers in some local publications.

For the record, I am happy someone notices this. I've been saying this for years.

Thank God for social media and some Indy publications.

I mean.....why would the P-D republish the whole Bloomberg article? It's like they are validating Bloomberg's trashing of St. Louis.

Will the Editorial Board at the P-D respond with factual counters? Chances are nil.

Allow me to say a few things .......

St. Louis and Detroit are punching bags.........and to a certain extent, Cleveland too. But Cleveland's been "coming back" forever it seems. Now Detroit is being pegged as the "comeback city". Where's the love for St. Louis? What will it take?

Another thing......Pittsburgh's core is densifying. Then millennials are piling up there. Pittsburgh's downtown trounces downtown St. Louis. The vibrancy is on a different level, however, downtown Pittsburgh doesn't have "a Clayton" to deal with. Although there is sprawl Pittsburgh, the donut effect on the urban core is not as bad as St. Louis'. Their region is more centered around their downtown vs. what exists in St. Louis. There's too many hills, mountains, rivers and tunnels to spread out like St. Louis.

Austin is a great, young, liberal city. Per capita income is off the chain. It has a lot of natural beauty, like St. Louis, but it is crowding and traffic is horrendous. I like its progressiveness, but the traffic is a nightmare and it doesn't have "an edge".

Both cities have their issures, but what makes them cool is livability. Livability is up in Pittsburgh despite some contracting. Both cities seem to be making the right moves build a better quality of life, innovation and jobs.

This is why I don't care the Rams are gone. A city's quality of life is what matters...........not how many sports teams exist. Austin has no major sports teams, yet people are flocking there in droves.

St. Louis should examine what is making Austin so attractive to young and old alike, but be careful not to become Austin.

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PostJun 07, 2016#1132

urban_dilettante wrote:Another "sh*t on St. Louis for no apparent reason" hit piece:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... -in-stride

– As expected, another reference to the Rams leaving.

– Somehow it matters that the Cardinals are 3rd in their division this year instead of killing it like they do every other year.

– No reference to the fact that Missouri's "second largest city" still has more Fortune 500s than Kansas City and a larger GDP.

– No reference to that fact that air traffic is up at Lambert and that Lambert still sees more traffic than Cleveland's airport despite supposedly having lost more than Cleveland since its heyday.

– I didn't realize the city's credit rating had been lowered. If true, that does suck. And I wonder why. I thought the city's rating was pretty solid.

What's the purpose of an article like this? It's certainly not trying to analyze anything. It's basically just reinforcing bias. I really do think that these repeated character assassinations take a huge toll on St. Louis' ability to elevate itself.
This piece is a mess and does not accept comments. They talk about the city of St Louis, not the MSA, then reference Monsanto and McDonnell Douglas which were never in the city limits.


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PostJun 09, 2016#1133

http://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/j ... -boomtown/
arguably the single-biggest favor the federal government can do for St. Louis’s startup scene is to change its policies on antitrust enforcement. For more than thirty years Washington has allowed corporate mergers and acquisitions to take place largely unimpeded, to the point where a handful of huge companies dominate market after market. Most of those behemoths are located in places like New York, San Francisco, Seattle, and LA. And most startups today, especially in the technology fields, never expect to grow their companies, but instead hope to get bought out by one of the big boys. This makes for a useful “exit strategy” for investors. But it also leads to less competition: startups seldom get big enough to challenge the incumbents. And it means that smaller cities like St. Louis that have painstakingly nurtured startups are likely to see most of them skip town after getting gobbled up by the Googles, Facebooks, and Pfizers of the world. In that scenario, instead of competing in the big leagues, St. Louis would become an uncompensated farm team for San Francisco and Boston.

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PostJun 09, 2016#1134

arch city wrote: St. Louis should examine what is making Austin so attractive to young and old alike,
Oil/Gas industry boom, air conditioning, and a lack of legacy infrastructure?

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PostJun 10, 2016#1135

Bats!!

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PostJun 10, 2016#1136

MarkHaversham wrote:
arch city wrote: St. Louis should examine what is making Austin so attractive to young and old alike,
Oil/Gas industry boom, air conditioning, and a lack of legacy infrastructure?
Austin is the only city people can move too in the second most populous state at 27 million or so people with a left political leaning. A bigger version of Tucson because it is simply in a much bigger state. Plus it gives the California techie crowd a really cool music festival and cheap taxes without having to go hang out with the hippies in the desert during burning man.

On a more serious note, Austin seems somewhat insular to the oil/gas boom relative rest of Texas and Louisiana for that matter. I wonder if Austin would take a bigger hit from a tech bubble bursting then the oil swings.

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PostJun 10, 2016#1137

Austin may not be as energy company-dependent as some other Texas cities, but they are definitely benefiting from it more than St. Louis is.

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PostJun 10, 2016#1138

Also they are a state capital plus flagship university city which those tend to do well economically by having a stable economic base. Austin also has another large metro (San Antonio) that is only an hour drive away. St. Louis is economically rather isolated in terms of network of other metros due to being the edge of any groupings and that the nearest 1M+ metros are all 250-300 miles away (odd is several metros are all within a similar distance away from here)

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PostJun 10, 2016#1139

imperialmog wrote:St. Louis is economically rather isolated in terms of network of other metros due to being the edge of any groupings and that the nearest 1M+ metros are all 250-300 miles away (odd is several metros are all within a similar distance away from here)

Distance From StL
Indy 242
KC 248
louisville 260
Memphis 283
Chicago 297
Nashville 307
Little Rock 348
Des Moines 348
Cincy 350
MilWauke 373
Tulsa 394
Omaha 435

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PostJun 10, 2016#1140

Needs to strength connections with neighbors. #HSR

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PostJun 26, 2016#1141

The Fining of Black America
Is Ferguson an anomaly?
http://priceonomics.com/the-fining-of-black-america/

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PostJun 26, 2016#1142

Talk about random, I was watching ESPN the other day. They were showing highlights of Iceland defeating Austria in soccer, the Euro tournament. They were showing the team celebrate after winning in stoppage time. The announcer for Iceland went crazy like I've never heard before. Long story short, for some reason in the middle of the highlights, ESPN showed a clip with the population of St. Louis at 318,000 and the population of Iceland, comparing the two, to illustrate how small the country is.

I know this is kind of an odd "St. Louis in the national media" post. I always find it to be annoying when Misinformed individuals reference the population of the CITY only. Again, odd place for a St. Louis population reference to show up.

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PostJun 27, 2016#1143

hebeters2 wrote:The Fining of Black America
Is Ferguson an anomaly?
http://priceonomics.com/the-fining-of-black-america/
They report 38 municipalities >5,000 people across the country got more than 10% of revs from fines and fees. This leaves out numerous STL munis.

Does small size account for higher portion coming from fines and fees or does it still track with race as with the >5,000 ones?

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PostJun 27, 2016#1144

In many ways this is more clickbait than news, but the headline on my phone was accompanied by this (slightly dated and presumably stock) photo . . .



I knew from the headline that it wasn't going to be a particularly valuable story, but I had to see what accompanied this rather nice shot of Collinsville Avenue: The 10 Most Dangerous States in America 2016. The kicker? They're using the shot to stand in for Missouri. Tennessee gets Beale Street. Louisiana gets Bourbon Street. Nevada gets the Strip . . . and Missouri gets confused with one of the most depressed blocks in Illinois. (Not the most depressed, necessarily. Cairo can give the East Saint some stiff competition.) So the article is poor clickbait that shows Missouri in an unfavorable light (which, to be fair, we do sort of earn) AND it uses a picture from Illinois to do it. Nicely done Street! Ah well. Such is life in "flyover" land.

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PostJun 28, 2016#1145

DogtownBnR wrote: I know this is kind of an odd "St. Louis in the national media" post. I always find it to be annoying when Misinformed individuals reference the population of the CITY only. Again, odd place for a St. Louis population reference to show up.

Seems a bit overly sensitive. The city of St. Louis population stacks up well to that of the country of Iceland. Seems you would have preferred something more along the lines of "Iceland has roughly the same population as the Springfield-Jacksonville-Lincoln, IL Combined Statistical Area." Is that a better picture painted for people watching the game?

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PostJun 28, 2016#1146

I like the idea of a St. Louis city state the size of Iceland.

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PostJun 28, 2016#1147

^And like St. Louis, Iceland has an awesome flag!!

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PostJun 28, 2016#1148

Ricke002 wrote:
Seems a bit overly sensitive.


I somewhat disagree. While I understand that the audience actually paying attention or caring about the STL reference is minimal, for some, perception is reality. We here in STL, as you know, often dispute many stereotypes and negative perceptions and base our logic on the skewed stats. Many in the pro-merger circles site the stats causing negative perceptions, as one of many reasons to consolidate STL. When STL is dealing with the 'dying city', 'shrinking city', '2nd largest city in Missouri' & 'the 60th largest US city', having that publicized is never good, even if it happens randomly on some ESPN highlight. There are actually many lazy and uneducated people in the world, that think the region's population, rather than the City of STL population, is down to 318K.

My main point was not to get into that discussion too deeply. I just thought it was odd. By the way, there are a lot of cities that are well-known, that are actually close to Iceland's 330K people. I would rather have one of those cities mentioned. . . :mrgreen:

PostJul 07, 2016#1149

AB tour is the best thing to do in Missouri under $15. I took some relatives from out of town, on the tour recently. I noticed the bottling plant is now part of the paid tour. I believe that is the Bevo Building. I was very disappointed to see that part taken off the "free" tour. Anyone know why they did that? It was a cool part. Now the tour ends after leaving the 'clock tower' building. Makes the tour a lot shorter. Anyhow, it is still deemed the best thing to do in Mo. on the cheap.

http://time.com/money/4393885/what-to-d ... tter-brief

Missouri: Anheuser-Busch Brewery Tour
•Price: Certain tours are free.
•Location: St. Louis

St. Louis, Mo., is home to the flagship Anheuser-Busch Brewery, which features both complimentary tours and paid attractions like the Beer School, where you can try a variety of beers for just $15.

PostJul 07, 2016#1150

Saw 'House Hunters' last night on HGTV. The awesome thing about this episode, is the fact that the couple decided to purchase, rehab, live and operate their flower business out of a massive McKinley Heights building on the corner of Jefferson and Russell. The building has been in need of some TLC for a LONG time. They followed up a few months later and they were starting the rehab process. The huge bonus is the fact that one of my buildings is just a few houses up on Russell! Great to see that building finally renovated.

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.611169, ... 56!6m1!1e1

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.611169, ... 56!6m1!1e1

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