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PostJun 01, 2022#1

Ald Rice submitted BB 44 which would ask voters if they want to create a St. Louis City Charter Commission.
The bill proposes an amendment to the City's Charter that would establish a Charter Commission to consider and recommend amendments and revisions to the voters on a decennial basis following the census or upon initiative by the qualified voters of the City as provided in the bill.
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/c ... BBId=14056

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PostMar 02, 2023#2

Is anyone getting an idea of how people feel about the Charter Commission vote on Apr 4th?

https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/d ... ballot.cfm

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PostMar 02, 2023#3

Idk if there is going to be much of a campaign against it and the mayor or someone may toss a little money for the pro campaign. I’m meeting with a group of people next week after the March election to talk about it

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PostMar 26, 2023#4

Anyone have any big thoughts on the charter reform bill?

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PostMar 27, 2023#5

symphonicpoet wrote:
Mar 26, 2023
Anyone have any big thoughts on the charter reform bill?
We desperately need some changes made to our city charter. This commission formation proposition gets us part way there.

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PostMar 27, 2023#6

Stltoday - Time for change at City Hall? St. Louis voters could OK sweeping review.

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... a0981.html

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PostMar 27, 2023#7

walker wrote:
Mar 27, 2023
symphonicpoet wrote:
Mar 26, 2023
Anyone have any big thoughts on the charter reform bill?
We desperately need some changes made to our city charter. This commission formation proposition gets us part way there.
They can't make changes without this?

Are aldermen able to serve on this new board?

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PostMar 27, 2023#8

^ you can make changes without this but its single subject changes that alders have to put on a ballot or voters submit signatures 

and no

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PostMar 27, 2023#9

walker wrote:
Mar 27, 2023
symphonicpoet wrote:
Mar 26, 2023
Anyone have any big thoughts on the charter reform bill?
We desperately need some changes made to our city charter. This commission formation proposition gets us part way there.
what should change?  I totally believe there are changes that should be made, but i'm not sure what specific provisions would be broadly beneficial.

the post article had some points
-streamline budget approval
-appointment of county officers

Still seems a bit underwhelming unless it became clear how this would either reduce crime, improve public education, or spur new jobs & development in the city.

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PostMar 27, 2023#10

city charter wont improve public education as that has nothing to do with city governance. 

there are plenty of things that need to change- design build for project delivery, fixing outdating Personnel dept hiring process, ability to contract out for services that city charges for when it needs help, do we move to a City Manager system, do we move to a strong mayor system. 

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PostMar 27, 2023#11

dbInSouthCity wrote:
Mar 27, 2023
^ you can make changes without this but its single subject changes that alders have to put on a ballot or voters submit signatures 

and no
Oh so they are trying to bypass voters. Sounds like a power grab then? I'd rather not let them do whatever they want. 

I'm hoping with the smaller board they will get some things done. 

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PostMar 27, 2023#12

No, any proposed changes by the commission would go in front of voters. You might read the article linked above. Here's a discussion on Stl PR about it-

Proposition C creates regular review of St. Louis’ charter

https://news.stlpublicradio.org/governm ... is-charter

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PostMar 27, 2023#13

flipz wrote:
Mar 27, 2023
dbInSouthCity wrote:
Mar 27, 2023
^ you can make changes without this but its single subject changes that alders have to put on a ballot or voters submit signatures 

and no
Oh so they are trying to bypass voters. Sounds like a power grab then? I'd rather not let them do whatever they want. 

I'm hoping with the smaller board they will get some things done. 
No, the voters would approve any changes that the commission puts forward. 

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PostApr 05, 2023#14

Passed by a hair.

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PostApr 05, 2023#15

Needs 20123 based on total votes and got 20148

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PostJun 27, 2024#16

Public hearing on Monday 7 pm. After that they vote to send their proposals to the BoA who can/will probably put them on the November ballot. Idk if these would be separate measures, or all in one. Dept of Transportation sounds good. Normal people think the Streets Dept does things that BPS does, and no one knows what the BPS is.

Julia Davis Public Library - 4415 Natural Bridge Ave. This meeting will be live streamed by STL TV at 
https://www.youtube.com/@CityofStLouisMissouri/streams

https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/events/event ... t_ID=42454
• E&A “Heavy” Reform: Abolish the Board of Estimate and Apportionment, eliminate the Office of Comptroller as an elected office and reassign the Comptroller’s responsibilities to a newly created Director of Finance under Mayoral authority, alter the City’s budget process empowering the Board of Aldermen to increase the budget, and newly create an Office of Public Advocate lead by an elected Public Advocate;
• Standalone Public Advocate: Newly create an Office of Public Advocate led by an elected Public Advocate – even if E&A “Heavy” Reform does not advance – that responds to complaints regarding city services and is supported by a legal department with subpoena power that is separate and independent from the City Counselor’s Office;
• Standalone Board of Aldermen Enhanced Budget Authority: Empower the Council with authority to increase budgetary amounts even if E&A “Heavy” Reform does not advance;
• Department of Transportation: Newly create a Department of Transportation;
• Mayoral Appointments: Newly allow the Mayor to directly appoint the Police Chief, Fire Chief, and Personnel Director as well as identify other Mayoral appointments of department heads in Article VIII;
• Revamp City Voting: Change the timing of general municipal elections from April to November of even years and primaries to August, increase the notice requirements, expand permitted publications of election notices, lower the threshold for signatures on initiatives petitions, newly require approval voting for all County offices except the Circuit Attorney, and rename the “Board of Aldermen” to the “City Council[;]”; and 
• Modernize Charter Language: Make specific, global changes to Charter language to convert pronouns to titles of offices, update methods of advertisement, remove obsolete language, reflect modern titles of offices and officers, and provide for compensation to be set by ordinance. 

PostJun 28, 2024#17

BB61 introduced by Ald Browning would put a charter amendment on the Nov ballot to create a Dept of Transportation on July 1, 2027 (why wait so long?). The streets department would become the DoT and it would take related responsibilities now under BPS.

https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/government/c ... BBId=16525

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PostJun 28, 2024#18

Speaking of which, what is BPS? 

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PostJun 29, 2024#19

Bureau of Public Service, basically public works.

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PostJun 30, 2024#20

Board of Public Service. It’s the city’s engineering arm as a department and the board itself is made up of other dept heads like Streets, water, parks etc.

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PostJul 03, 2024#21

StlToday - St. Louis mayor backs comptroller, opposes elimination of job, Estimate Board

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... 3385f.html

PostJul 03, 2024#22

That was fast

StlToday - Panel scraps plan to eliminate St. Louis comptroller, Estimate Board

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... 8e7a1.html

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PostJul 03, 2024#23

Ugh, this was actually a great idea. One day of people yelling all it took…

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PostJul 03, 2024#24

TheWayoftheArch_V2.0 wrote:Ugh, this was actually a great idea. One day of people yelling all it took…
Should probably tell everyone something about the legitimacy of the commissions recommendations. Between the razor thin election, odd political spats during meetings, and weak justification or defense to a key component of their recommendation… I’m getting closer to declaring this effort a waste.

Maybe STL will get a department of transportation, that’ll be nice.


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PostJul 03, 2024#25

But would this have actually changed anything, or was it just a matter of shuffling job titles around? 

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